OkMelville wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026 12:30 pmRespectfully, I suggest that you revisit the context which I created to define this thread in the very first post:rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026 12:19 pmI've given you all the evidence based facts I can mel.Melville wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026 11:57 amSo, by referencing 2004 (22 years ago), you are certifying my point that the Cardinals have not witnessed an emergence like we are currently seeing in the last 10+, or even 20, years.rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026 09:10 amNo, since "at this time" does not a season make.Melville wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026 08:59 amAt this moment, obviously, I am correct.rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Apr 2026 08:46 amNot a chance the current group surpasses any one of those three, to say they'll do it by 70-80 rbis's is, wellMelville wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026 15:29 pmThe current group is on pace for 70 -80 more than those groups.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026 14:28 pmIF Walker, Gorman or Burleson even one of them drives in 94 runs, then we can revisit.Melville wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026 13:17 pmBerkman was a middle third hitter in STL for exactly one year (94 RBI) - and drove in 107 runs across 2 total seasons.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026 10:16 amWon't ever come close to Pujols-Holliday-Berkman eitherMelville wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026 08:43 amOf course they will never come close to the MV3.rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Apr 2026 08:39 am
Maybe 10 mel, but 20 years?
They'll never even come close to Pujols-Edmonds-Rolen
or
Pujols-Holliday-Berkman
Which is why I said "last 10-20 years".
The MV3 era ended exactly 20 years ago.
And neither you nor I will ever see something like that again with the Cardinals.
In Berkman's a productive season with STL (2011), Holliday drove in 75 runs.
Pujols had 99.
Total of 268 RBI in the only season they were together in STL as middle order run producers.
Fact is, Walker/Gorman/Burleson are far ahead of that pace currently.
And, of course, can be together for the next few years if STL co chooses.
So yes, my original observation was perfectly analyzed and fully correct.
The current group should be better than anything the team has seen for at least 10 seasons - and possibly the past 20.
Not quite "...perfectly analyzed and fully correct" until that happens, if it ever does.
I have two more that's better than your group:
2021 Cardinals:
Goldy-NADO-O'Neil---99 Home Runs + 284 RBI's
NL MVP
2nd runner-up NL MVP
2022 Cardinals:
Goldy-NADO-Pujols--89 Home Runs + 286 RBI's
"...better than anything the team has seen for at least 10 seasons"........" ...and possibly the past 20"?
Nope, sorry mel
2011: Pujols-Holliday-Berkman
AND
2021: Goldy-NADO-O'Neil
AND
2022: Goldy-NADO-Pujols
were way better than the current three of Walker-Gorman-Burleson
"..perfectly analyzed and fully correct"
No
(And I know that 2021 w/the Paper Tyler has to really annoy you
Further, The Paper Tyler was a weird, highly suspicious, one-off artificially inflated by a brief 6 week surge.
Pujols, of course, was famously served meatballs by both leagues in an effort to help him achieve 700 career HR.
Therefore, neither of your examples apply to the premise I raised.
The emergence of the Walker/Burleson/Walker trio in the early potion of this season hints at the possibility of a middle order era of production not witnessed by this team in 10-20 years.
Will they end up over 300 combines RBI's?
An if so, will it be a one time event or the opening act of a prolonged multi year era?
No one knows.
But it is unquestionably a possibility the team has not matched in at least a decade - and possibly longer.
No meatballs served to Albert by anyone, that's also
The three trio's I listed blow away the current trio you named, not even a debate.
Sorry mel, I always enjoy out chats but on this you're simply wrong.
The Cardinals' 3/4/5 hitters are all in the top 18 in RBI among NL hitters - despite Walker being just 37Th in PA's and Gorman 71st.
Indisputably, the middle order is driving in runs at a high rate and with great efficiency.
Let's see what it looks like in September.
Regardless, right now, we are seeing something not witnessed in 10-20 years.
And, worth noting, all 3 came from the STL organization - something not seen in many decades.
Example:
20 games into 2004
Rolen-27
Albert-16
Edmonds-14
57 RBI's in their first 20 GP!
Glad we agree.
Now, let's see where it goes from here.
But certainly, it has been many decades since STL has produced from its own system a 3/4/5 grouping with the promise currently being demonstrated.
This trio isn't the best we've seen in 10 years, let alone 20 and absolutely not the best we've seen in "many decades".
Let's hope they keep up this "promise" and we'll revisit at the end of 162, not 20 games.
"It is possible that we are witnessing the emergence of a 3/4/5 middle of the order combination the likes of which the team has not had in the past 10 - 20 years."
That statement is perfectly crafted.
No one has stated this trio will be the best middle order trio in the past 10-20 years.
I have said we are seeing the emergence of a 3/4/5 group which we have not seen in 10-20 years.
Which is absolutely and indisputably correct.
If you know of a similar emergence over that time frame, please share.
If Gorman/Walker/Burleson end the year in the neighborhood of 300 RBI combined, it will be a huge story not just in STL, but throughout all of MLB.
",,,, we are witnessing the emergence of a 3/4/5 middle of the order combination the likes of which the team has not had in the past 10 - 20 years."
Again you stated, "..the likes of which the team has not had in the past 10 - 20 years".
I gave you three sets the last 10 - 20 years who are/we're exponentially better.
My facts are perfectly stated and indisputable.
There is a less than .0000000000000000000000000000001% chance your trio has more RBIs this season than any of my three sets.
And "neighborhood of 300" end of this year, c'mon man.