The whining about Oli

[Cusecards]

Marmol does NOT have what it takes upstairs in crunch time.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

Marmol does NOT have what it takes upstairs in crunch time.

He is in over his head, especially with the lack of talent, both hitting and pitching.

[Ozziesfan41]

Marmol does NOT have what it takes upstairs in crunch time.

He is in over his head, especially with the lack of talent, both hitting and pitching.

He needs lock down everything so he can avoid having to actually having to manage when he has to manage he’s not good at all

[ClassicO]

So far not one legitimate, fact-based response on why the heck the constant Oli criticism is worth the max-attention, much less warranted.

Generalized complaints like “he can’t manage” or “he’s ruined the pitching staff” is all I see.

Again, how many games do people think a manager wins or loses, because it seems like an exercise in futility to act like he’s the one who can’t pitch or hit?

A manager’s job is to set players up to best succeed. To keep them motivated and adhere to team rules and procedures.
Red was a Manager who just let his players play. He also didn’t have to make very many pitching decisions because starting pitchers usually went deep into games. So, did Red effect the outcome of many games, no, probably not.
Oli, on the other hand, his starters aren’t going deep, either because they are getting lit up, have high pitch counts, or have went their 5 innings. Then he proceeds to march out there reliever after reliever, game after game. No pitcher could be sharp everyday of every inning he asks them to throw. It’s going to be somebody’s off day and they are going to pitch poorly.
Oli doesn’t allow his base stealers to have a green light. He dictates when they are allowed to try. The Cardinals are currently at or very near the bottom of stolen bases in MLB. That, but the Cardinals minor league teams run constantly.
Oli doesn’t fill out the batting order or lineup that best suits the players best attributes or the teams most urgent needs. He sits guys who are hot, keeps playing guys who are ice cold, plays his favorites over guys that are better players (Pages), let’s veteran players dictate whether they’ll take a day off or not ( Arenado)
I could keep giving examples, but I’m tired of typing and you know Oli is a bad Manager anyway!

First, your assertion about Oli controlling steals isn’t correct. Do you have a link because Oli has said that he wants them running and, other than to not give slow runners the green light, gives most discretion.

Second, what wound you have him down it this pitching staff? The relievers have sucked. So yeah, when his starters don’t pitch well, he’s been forced to bring in the 6-7 bullpen arms who have sucked eggs.

The rest of your ramble is just made up.

Why did he take McGreevy after 5 innings at 87 pitches? He was doing well.
Soriano pitched great, 1 inning and out!
JoJo now out, the merry-go-round continues.
Scott lead off hit, didn’t try to steal, forced out, JJ’s speed kept it from being another DP.
Walker sent on a 3-2 count to Winn.
So, just what did I make up?

What is your point? All was good until he brought in Stanek. Stanek blew the game not Oli. McGreevy has pitched more than 87 pitches twice - 91 and 96. He isn’t a workhorse. I don’t disagree that I would’ve left him in, but it’s hardly a managerial screwup.

[sdaltons]

Besides all those bad things, he's not that bad guys

[Ozziesfan41]

So far not one legitimate, fact-based response on why the heck the constant Oli criticism is worth the max-attention, much less warranted.

Generalized complaints like “he can’t manage” or “he’s ruined the pitching staff” is all I see.

Again, how many games do people think a manager wins or loses, because it seems like an exercise in futility to act like he’s the one who can’t pitch or hit?

A manager’s job is to set players up to best succeed. To keep them motivated and adhere to team rules and procedures.
Red was a Manager who just let his players play. He also didn’t have to make very many pitching decisions because starting pitchers usually went deep into games. So, did Red effect the outcome of many games, no, probably not.
Oli, on the other hand, his starters aren’t going deep, either because they are getting lit up, have high pitch counts, or have went their 5 innings. Then he proceeds to march out there reliever after reliever, game after game. No pitcher could be sharp everyday of every inning he asks them to throw. It’s going to be somebody’s off day and they are going to pitch poorly.
Oli doesn’t allow his base stealers to have a green light. He dictates when they are allowed to try. The Cardinals are currently at or very near the bottom of stolen bases in MLB. That, but the Cardinals minor league teams run constantly.
Oli doesn’t fill out the batting order or lineup that best suits the players best attributes or the teams most urgent needs. He sits guys who are hot, keeps playing guys who are ice cold, plays his favorites over guys that are better players (Pages), let’s veteran players dictate whether they’ll take a day off or not ( Arenado)
I could keep giving examples, but I’m tired of typing and you know Oli is a bad Manager anyway!

First, your assertion about Oli controlling steals isn’t correct. Do you have a link because Oli has said that he wants them running and, other than to not give slow runners the green light, gives most discretion.

Second, what wound you have him down it this pitching staff? The relievers have sucked. So yeah, when his starters don’t pitch well, he’s been forced to bring in the 6-7 bullpen arms who have sucked eggs.

The rest of your ramble is just made up.

Why did he take McGreevy after 5 innings at 87 pitches? He was doing well.
Soriano pitched great, 1 inning and out!
JoJo now out, the merry-go-round continues.
Scott lead off hit, didn’t try to steal, forced out, JJ’s speed kept it from being another DP.
Walker sent on a 3-2 count to Winn.
So, just what did I make up?

What is your point? All was good until he brought in Stanek. Stanek blew the game not Oli. McGreevy has pitched more than 87 pitches twice - 91 and 96. He isn’t a workhorse. I don’t disagree that I would’ve left him in, but it’s hardly a managerial screwup.

Lol oli blew the game when he pulled Romero and brought in Stanek he’s probably the only one dumb enough to think stanek is reliable

[Cusecards]

Marmol does NOT have what it takes upstairs in crunch time.

He is in over his head, especially with the lack of talent, both hitting and pitching.

He lacks the ability to intelligently think ahead.
He is in over his head.
Late game crunch time he’d be better served cleaning the locker room.

[Hoosier59]

i

So far not one legitimate, fact-based response on why the heck the constant Oli criticism is worth the max-attention, much less warranted.

Generalized complaints like “he can’t manage” or “he’s ruined the pitching staff” is all I see.

Again, how many games do people think a manager wins or loses, because it seems like an exercise in futility to act like he’s the one who can’t pitch or hit?

A manager’s job is to set players up to best succeed. To keep them motivated and adhere to team rules and procedures.
Red was a Manager who just let his players play. He also didn’t have to make very many pitching decisions because starting pitchers usually went deep into games. So, did Red effect the outcome of many games, no, probably not.
Oli, on the other hand, his starters aren’t going deep, either because they are getting lit up, have high pitch counts, or have went their 5 innings. Then he proceeds to march out there reliever after reliever, game after game. No pitcher could be sharp everyday of every inning he asks them to throw. It’s going to be somebody’s off day and they are going to pitch poorly.
Oli doesn’t allow his base stealers to have a green light. He dictates when they are allowed to try. The Cardinals are currently at or very near the bottom of stolen bases in MLB. That, but the Cardinals minor league teams run constantly.
Oli doesn’t fill out the batting order or lineup that best suits the players best attributes or the teams most urgent needs. He sits guys who are hot, keeps playing guys who are ice cold, plays his favorites over guys that are better players (Pages), let’s veteran players dictate whether they’ll take a day off or not ( Arenado)
I could keep giving examples, but I’m tired of typing and you know Oli is a bad Manager anyway!

First, your assertion about Oli controlling steals isn’t correct. Do you have a link because Oli has said that he wants them running and, other than to not give slow runners the green light, gives most discretion.

Second, what wound you have him down it this pitching staff? The relievers have sucked. So yeah, when his starters don’t pitch well, he’s been forced to bring in the 6-7 bullpen arms who have sucked eggs.

The rest of your ramble is just made up.

Why did he take McGreevy after 5 innings at 87 pitches? He was doing well.
Soriano pitched great, 1 inning and out!
JoJo now out, the merry-go-round continues.
Scott lead off hit, didn’t try to steal, forced out, JJ’s speed kept it from being another DP.
Walker sent on a 3-2 count to Winn.
So, just what did I make up?

What is your point? All was good until he brought in Stanek. Stanek blew the game not Oli. McGreevy has pitched more than 87 pitches twice - 91 and 96. He isn’t a workhorse. I don’t disagree that I would’ve left him in, but it’s hardly a managerial screwup.

I guess the rest of us are all wrong, and you’re right , ok!

[JuanAgosto]

Not an oli fan, but won't blame him for the lack of options in the bullpen.

[Goldfan]

Takes JoJo out with three lefty hitters coming up. Three straight hits and a run, still only one out!
You were saying Classic?

Oli is the worst lol takes out one of the best relievers for one of the shakiest just an idiot when it comes to bullpen use

But but but Oli had his predetermined pitch count for this game back in ST

[ClassicO]

i

So far not one legitimate, fact-based response on why the heck the constant Oli criticism is worth the max-attention, much less warranted.

Generalized complaints like “he can’t manage” or “he’s ruined the pitching staff” is all I see.

Again, how many games do people think a manager wins or loses, because it seems like an exercise in futility to act like he’s the one who can’t pitch or hit?

A manager’s job is to set players up to best succeed. To keep them motivated and adhere to team rules and procedures.
Red was a Manager who just let his players play. He also didn’t have to make very many pitching decisions because starting pitchers usually went deep into games. So, did Red effect the outcome of many games, no, probably not.
Oli, on the other hand, his starters aren’t going deep, either because they are getting lit up, have high pitch counts, or have went their 5 innings. Then he proceeds to march out there reliever after reliever, game after game. No pitcher could be sharp everyday of every inning he asks them to throw. It’s going to be somebody’s off day and they are going to pitch poorly.
Oli doesn’t allow his base stealers to have a green light. He dictates when they are allowed to try. The Cardinals are currently at or very near the bottom of stolen bases in MLB. That, but the Cardinals minor league teams run constantly.
Oli doesn’t fill out the batting order or lineup that best suits the players best attributes or the teams most urgent needs. He sits guys who are hot, keeps playing guys who are ice cold, plays his favorites over guys that are better players (Pages), let’s veteran players dictate whether they’ll take a day off or not ( Arenado)
I could keep giving examples, but I’m tired of typing and you know Oli is a bad Manager anyway!

First, your assertion about Oli controlling steals isn’t correct. Do you have a link because Oli has said that he wants them running and, other than to not give slow runners the green light, gives most discretion.

Second, what wound you have him down it this pitching staff? The relievers have sucked. So yeah, when his starters don’t pitch well, he’s been forced to bring in the 6-7 bullpen arms who have sucked eggs.

The rest of your ramble is just made up.

Why did he take McGreevy after 5 innings at 87 pitches? He was doing well.
Soriano pitched great, 1 inning and out!
JoJo now out, the merry-go-round continues.
Scott lead off hit, didn’t try to steal, forced out, JJ’s speed kept it from being another DP.
Walker sent on a 3-2 count to Winn.
So, just what did I make up?

What is your point? All was good until he brought in Stanek. Stanek blew the game not Oli. McGreevy has pitched more than 87 pitches twice - 91 and 96. He isn’t a workhorse. I don’t disagree that I would’ve left him in, but it’s hardly a managerial screwup.

I guess the rest of us are all wrong, and you’re right , ok!

I never said I liked Oli.
The point is he’s not losing 98% of the games, so the obsession is silly.
I guess if Bloom and the players have his back and a few guys on the internet don’t, I shouldn’t be concerned. Just amazed at the Monday morning quarterbacks.

[Ozziesfan41]

i

So far not one legitimate, fact-based response on why the heck the constant Oli criticism is worth the max-attention, much less warranted.

Generalized complaints like “he can’t manage” or “he’s ruined the pitching staff” is all I see.

Again, how many games do people think a manager wins or loses, because it seems like an exercise in futility to act like he’s the one who can’t pitch or hit?

A manager’s job is to set players up to best succeed. To keep them motivated and adhere to team rules and procedures.
Red was a Manager who just let his players play. He also didn’t have to make very many pitching decisions because starting pitchers usually went deep into games. So, did Red effect the outcome of many games, no, probably not.
Oli, on the other hand, his starters aren’t going deep, either because they are getting lit up, have high pitch counts, or have went their 5 innings. Then he proceeds to march out there reliever after reliever, game after game. No pitcher could be sharp everyday of every inning he asks them to throw. It’s going to be somebody’s off day and they are going to pitch poorly.
Oli doesn’t allow his base stealers to have a green light. He dictates when they are allowed to try. The Cardinals are currently at or very near the bottom of stolen bases in MLB. That, but the Cardinals minor league teams run constantly.
Oli doesn’t fill out the batting order or lineup that best suits the players best attributes or the teams most urgent needs. He sits guys who are hot, keeps playing guys who are ice cold, plays his favorites over guys that are better players (Pages), let’s veteran players dictate whether they’ll take a day off or not ( Arenado)
I could keep giving examples, but I’m tired of typing and you know Oli is a bad Manager anyway!

First, your assertion about Oli controlling steals isn’t correct. Do you have a link because Oli has said that he wants them running and, other than to not give slow runners the green light, gives most discretion.

Second, what wound you have him down it this pitching staff? The relievers have sucked. So yeah, when his starters don’t pitch well, he’s been forced to bring in the 6-7 bullpen arms who have sucked eggs.

The rest of your ramble is just made up.

Why did he take McGreevy after 5 innings at 87 pitches? He was doing well.
Soriano pitched great, 1 inning and out!
JoJo now out, the merry-go-round continues.
Scott lead off hit, didn’t try to steal, forced out, JJ’s speed kept it from being another DP.
Walker sent on a 3-2 count to Winn.
So, just what did I make up?

What is your point? All was good until he brought in Stanek. Stanek blew the game not Oli. McGreevy has pitched more than 87 pitches twice - 91 and 96. He isn’t a workhorse. I don’t disagree that I would’ve left him in, but it’s hardly a managerial screwup.

I guess the rest of us are all wrong, and you’re right , ok!

I never said I liked Oli.
The point is he’s not losing 98% of the games, so the obsession is silly.
I guess if Bloom and the players have his back and a few guys on the internet don’t, I shouldn’t be concerned. Just amazed at the Monday morning quarterbacks.

Only an idiot needs to Monday morning quarterback to deduce pulling jo Jo there and bringing in stanek was a bad move

[Hoosier59]

Not an oli fan, but won't blame him for the lack of options in the bullpen.

Let’s see, McGreevy pitching well, takes him out after 5 innings, 87 pitches.
Brings in Soriano, walks 1st batter, but then lights out! Takes him out after 1inning.
Brings in JoJo he also walks his 1st batter, but gets a DP and sets them down 1,2,3.
Faces 1 batter in the next inning, and with at least 4 lefty hitters coming up next, he brings in Stanek!
And you don’t blame Oli?
OK……..

[Ozziesfan41]

Not an oli fan, but won't blame him for the lack of options in the bullpen.

Let’s see, McGreevy pitching well, takes him out after 5 innings, 87 pitches.
Brings in Soriano, walks 1st batter, but then lights out! Takes him out after 1inning.
Brings in JoJo he also walks his 1st batter, but gets a DP and sets them down 1,2,3.
Faces 1 batter in the next inning, and with at least 4 lefty hitters coming up next, he brings in Stanek!
And you don’t blame Oli?
OK……..

Should have won the game already but oli being oli

[Cusecards]

Takes JoJo out with three lefty hitters coming up. Three straight hits and a run, still only one out!
You were saying Classic?

Oli is the worst lol takes out one of the best relievers for one of the shakiest just an idiot when it comes to bullpen use

But but but Oli had his predetermined pitch count for this game back in ST

Hey buddy....we missed you at the end of the game!

[cardsfaninla]

Oh boy. Another forum hall monitor……

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