Winn still at #4

[imetsatchelpaige]

I don't get it, but there it is.
The GDT's are in good hands, so this is just a placeholder...

STL Lineup

J Wetherholt (L) 2B
I Herrera (R) DH
A Burleson (L) 1B
M Winn (R) SS
N Gorman (L) 3B
J Walker (R) RF
N Church (L) LF
P Pagés (R) C
V Scott II (L) CF

[C-Unit]

I think Winn is nothing more than a placeholder there. They seem to like the 3 guys they have at the top. They also like the L-R-L-R thing. And I guess they don't want to vaunt Walker into the 4 spot yet.

[Basil Shabazz]

I suspect he stays at 4 until the sample size becomes big enough to determine whether he should continue to stay there. One thing I would not do is mess with Gorman or Walker at this stage.

The fallback plan would probably just be swapping Herrera and Winn at 2/4.

[jcgmoi]

I think Winn is nothing more than a placeholder there.

I think that's exactly right. No one is claiming Winn looks like any kind of cleanup hitter but the team is smartly bunching their best hitters at the top of the lineup and someone has to hit fourth.

btw, posters who obsess over LR lineup sequences should look at how the Mets set up.

[Cusecards]

I suspect he stays at 4 until the sample size becomes big enough to determine whether he should continue to stay there. One thing I would not do is mess with Gorman or Walker at this stage.

The fallback plan would probably just be swapping Herrera and Winn at 2/4.

Agree 100%
Especially swapping Winn and Herrera.
And by all means.....leave Walker & Gorman alone

[redbirdfan51]

I think Winn is nothing more than a placeholder there. They seem to like the 3 guys they have at the top. They also like the L-R-L-R thing. And I guess they don't want to vaunt Walker into the 4 spot yet.

If JW continues hitting, that will be his spot at 4 or they could move Herrera there and bat Winn 2nd.

[C-Unit]

I think Winn is nothing more than a placeholder there. They seem to like the 3 guys they have at the top. They also like the L-R-L-R thing. And I guess they don't want to vaunt Walker into the 4 spot yet.

If JW continues hitting, that will be his spot at 4 or they could move Herrera there and bat Winn 2nd.

In that situation you could then have Walker at 5 right after them

[renostl]

I suspect he stays at 4 until the sample size becomes big enough to determine whether he should continue to stay there. One thing I would not do is mess with Gorman or Walker at this stage.

The fallback plan would probably just be swapping Herrera and Winn at 2/4.

Agree 100%
Especially swapping Winn and Herrera.
And by all means.....leave Walker & Gorman alone

It is a difficult debate when the current Winn belongs in neither spot, imo.

To date the very SSS.

JJW with 3 PA LO an inning, only his first ab so far.
IH has 1 PA LO an inning

AB 2 PA LO an inning
MW 4 PA LO an inning

In theory with the wrap around at the bottom of the lineup
the first 3 are encountering PA with men on more than the #4 spot

JJW 15 PA's 8 with men on 3 PA's there couldn't be men on
IH 14 PA's 8 with men on
AB 14 PA's 7 with men on
MW 14 PA's 6 with men on

After the 1st inning I'm ok with Winn not being in the 2 spot

[Cusecards]

I suspect he stays at 4 until the sample size becomes big enough to determine whether he should continue to stay there. One thing I would not do is mess with Gorman or Walker at this stage.

The fallback plan would probably just be swapping Herrera and Winn at 2/4.

Agree 100%
Especially swapping Winn and Herrera.
And by all means.....leave Walker & Gorman alone

It is a difficult debate when the current Winn belongs in neither spot, imo.

To date the very SSS.

JJW with 3 PA LO an inning, only his first ab so far.
IH has 1 PA LO an inning

AB 2 PA LO an inning
MW 4 PA LO an inning

In theory with the wrap around at the bottom of the lineup
the first 3 are encountering PA with men on more than the #4 spot

JJW 15 PA's 8 with men on 3 PA's there couldn't be men on
IH 14 PA's 8 with men on
AB 14 PA's 7 with men on
MW 14 PA's 6 with men on

After the 1st inning I'm ok with Winn not being in the 2 spot

That is true.
Not exactly sure where he belongs but it will sort itself out
as we progress.
I usually don’t get too wrapped up in the lineup especially this early in the season.
Makes sense to group JJ/Herrera/Burleson but after that?
Gorman/Walker?- probably just leave them alone and hope they continue to produce?
Church? Who knows?
Scott? So far so good.

[Shady]

I think Winn is nothing more than a placeholder there. They seem to like the 3 guys they have at the top. They also like the L-R-L-R thing. And I guess they don't want to vaunt Walker into the 4 spot yet.

If JW continues hitting, that will be his spot at 4 or they could move Herrera there and bat Winn 2nd.

In that situation you could then have Walker at 5 right after them

If Walker keeps hitting. And Winn improves to a respectable OBP. And steals some bases. I like the potential of that scenario.

[renostl]

I suspect he stays at 4 until the sample size becomes big enough to determine whether he should continue to stay there. One thing I would not do is mess with Gorman or Walker at this stage.

The fallback plan would probably just be swapping Herrera and Winn at 2/4.

Agree 100%
Especially swapping Winn and Herrera.
And by all means.....leave Walker & Gorman alone

It is a difficult debate when the current Winn belongs in neither spot, imo.

To date the very SSS.

JJW with 3 PA LO an inning, only his first ab so far.
IH has 1 PA LO an inning

AB 2 PA LO an inning
MW 4 PA LO an inning

In theory with the wrap around at the bottom of the lineup
the first 3 are encountering PA with men on more than the #4 spot

JJW 15 PA's 8 with men on 3 PA's there couldn't be men on
IH 14 PA's 8 with men on
AB 14 PA's 7 with men on
MW 14 PA's 6 with men on

After the 1st inning I'm ok with Winn not being in the 2 spot

That is true.
Not exactly sure where he belongs but it will sort itself out
as we progress.
I usually don’t get too wrapped up in the lineup especially this early in the season.
Makes sense to group JJ/Herrera/Burleson but after that?
Gorman/Walker?- probably just leave them alone and hope they continue to produce?
Church? Who knows?
Scott? So far so good.

Agree,
I think somebody will need to leapfrog Winn,
which is a win Winn for the team.

The only on the current roster exception is IF Church an LO
and JJW moves down a spot or two.

[Cusecards]

I suspect he stays at 4 until the sample size becomes big enough to determine whether he should continue to stay there. One thing I would not do is mess with Gorman or Walker at this stage.

The fallback plan would probably just be swapping Herrera and Winn at 2/4.

Agree 100%
Especially swapping Winn and Herrera.
And by all means.....leave Walker & Gorman alone

It is a difficult debate when the current Winn belongs in neither spot, imo.

To date the very SSS.

JJW with 3 PA LO an inning, only his first ab so far.
IH has 1 PA LO an inning

AB 2 PA LO an inning
MW 4 PA LO an inning

In theory with the wrap around at the bottom of the lineup
the first 3 are encountering PA with men on more than the #4 spot

JJW 15 PA's 8 with men on 3 PA's there couldn't be men on
IH 14 PA's 8 with men on
AB 14 PA's 7 with men on
MW 14 PA's 6 with men on

After the 1st inning I'm ok with Winn not being in the 2 spot

That is true.
Not exactly sure where he belongs but it will sort itself out
as we progress.
I usually don’t get too wrapped up in the lineup especially this early in the season.
Makes sense to group JJ/Herrera/Burleson but after that?
Gorman/Walker?- probably just leave them alone and hope they continue to produce?
Church? Who knows?
Scott? So far so good.

Agree,
I think somebody will need to leapfrog Winn,
which is a win Winn for the team.

The only on the current roster exception is IF Church an LO
and JJW moves down a spot or two.

I like JJ at #2 as I believe he will hit with RISP.
That pushes Herrera/Burly back to #3/#4 or vice versa?
LO could be an issue all season?
Winn? Church? Scott? Even Noot when he comes back??

[Talkin' Baseball]

I suspect he stays at 4 until the sample size becomes big enough to determine whether he should continue to stay there. One thing I would not do is mess with Gorman or Walker at this stage.

The fallback plan would probably just be swapping Herrera and Winn at 2/4.

Agree 100%
Especially swapping Winn and Herrera.
And by all means.....leave Walker & Gorman alone

It is a difficult debate when the current Winn belongs in neither spot, imo.

To date the very SSS.

JJW with 3 PA LO an inning, only his first ab so far.
IH has 1 PA LO an inning

AB 2 PA LO an inning
MW 4 PA LO an inning

In theory with the wrap around at the bottom of the lineup
the first 3 are encountering PA with men on more than the #4 spot

JJW 15 PA's 8 with men on 3 PA's there couldn't be men on
IH 14 PA's 8 with men on
AB 14 PA's 7 with men on
MW 14 PA's 6 with men on

After the 1st inning I'm ok with Winn not being in the 2 spot

That is true.
Not exactly sure where he belongs but it will sort itself out
as we progress.
I usually don’t get too wrapped up in the lineup especially this early in the season.
Makes sense to group JJ/Herrera/Burleson but after that?
Gorman/Walker?- probably just leave them alone and hope they continue to produce?
Church? Who knows?
Scott? So far so good.

Exactly.
They aren't reshuffling the lineup after one series.

[RamFan08NY]

The team is averaging 7 runs per game, and everybody seems to be coming up to bat with men on base every game. For a team that presently does not employ a true cleanup hitter, why the fuss over it? As long as all the players continue to come up with runners on base, does it really matter who bats 4th in the first inning?

[Cusecards]

I suspect he stays at 4 until the sample size becomes big enough to determine whether he should continue to stay there. One thing I would not do is mess with Gorman or Walker at this stage.

The fallback plan would probably just be swapping Herrera and Winn at 2/4.

Agree 100%
Especially swapping Winn and Herrera.
And by all means.....leave Walker & Gorman alone

It is a difficult debate when the current Winn belongs in neither spot, imo.

To date the very SSS.

JJW with 3 PA LO an inning, only his first ab so far.
IH has 1 PA LO an inning

AB 2 PA LO an inning
MW 4 PA LO an inning

In theory with the wrap around at the bottom of the lineup
the first 3 are encountering PA with men on more than the #4 spot

JJW 15 PA's 8 with men on 3 PA's there couldn't be men on
IH 14 PA's 8 with men on
AB 14 PA's 7 with men on
MW 14 PA's 6 with men on

After the 1st inning I'm ok with Winn not being in the 2 spot

That is true.
Not exactly sure where he belongs but it will sort itself out
as we progress.
I usually don’t get too wrapped up in the lineup especially this early in the season.
Makes sense to group JJ/Herrera/Burleson but after that?
Gorman/Walker?- probably just leave them alone and hope they continue to produce?
Church? Who knows?
Scott? So far so good.

Exactly.
They aren't reshuffling the lineup after one series.

I think everyone(including Winn & Oli) know that Winn will not be our cleanup hitter long term.
Having said that:
*Probably don’t want to put too much pressure on JJ right off the bat so leadoff works!
*Herrera at #2 to ease him back in after not a lot of ST AB’s?
*Gorman & Walker?- They have the potential to hit there but again just trying to ease them in and give them the best chance to emerge?
*Where does Noot factor in when he returns??

I see the lineup being fluid just like a lot of other stuff with this team.

[2ninr]

If VS 2 keeps getting on base move him to leadoff and Church ninth. Leave the rest alone.