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I'm kinda diggin the new ABS. It adds something. Fan reaction because the immediate results of the appeal is interesting. CJ Bucknor would probably disagree.
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spfldan wrote: 30 Mar 2026 05:29 am I'm kinda diggin the new ABS. It adds something. Fan reaction because the immediate results of the appeal is interesting. CJ Bucknor would probably disagree.
Why only two challenges. Unlimited would probably be too many. Why not 5 per team. Adds 90 seconds to game. And five challenges would greatly police the zone.
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I dont think a team should be charged a challenge in any sport if they win the challenge. So you should only get so many failed challenges per game.
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No reason for ABS to be limited to 2 successful challenges. It should be ever pitch.
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ScotchMIrish wrote: 30 Mar 2026 07:38 am No reason for ABS to be limited to 2 successful challenges. It should be ever pitch.
I think two has produced a slightly better game, in only a small sample. I think unlimited might be every pitch one way or another.

At about 13 seconds per event, I like 4-5 challenges.
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 30 Mar 2026 06:22 am
spfldan wrote: 30 Mar 2026 05:29 am I'm kinda diggin the new ABS. It adds something. Fan reaction because the immediate results of the appeal is interesting. CJ Bucknor would probably disagree.
Why only two challenges. Unlimited would probably be too many. Why not 5 per team. Adds 90 seconds to game. And five challenges would greatly police the zone.
If you challenge and you’re correct you don’t lose the challenge.
Otherwise how could Bucknor have been challenged 8 times in his game the other day?
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spfldan wrote: 30 Mar 2026 05:29 am I'm kinda diggin the new ABS. It adds something. Fan reaction because the immediate results of the appeal is interesting. CJ Bucknor would probably disagree.
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Bomber1 wrote: 30 Mar 2026 08:14 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 30 Mar 2026 06:22 am
spfldan wrote: 30 Mar 2026 05:29 am I'm kinda diggin the new ABS. It adds something. Fan reaction because the immediate results of the appeal is interesting. CJ Bucknor would probably disagree.
Why only two challenges. Unlimited would probably be too many. Why not 5 per team. Adds 90 seconds to game. And five challenges would greatly police the zone.
If you challenge and you’re correct you don’t lose the challenge.
Otherwise how could Bucknor have been challenged 8 times in his game the other day?
I hear ya. But you have to wonder if unlimited, every pitch might be a challenge. That’s irritating. I think a limit is there for your situation, where it actually holds down the calls. Eight as compared to many more.
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Yes you don't lose the challenge if you're correct.

For me the most interesting part is seeing how players are gonna passively show up the umps, e.g. how Arozarena took his base the other day before the video even got up on screen.

I also think something to watch is how umps might crack down on the 2-second window in which someone can challenge... we've already seen some questionable rulings around that for both batter and catcher. Like the catcher might be waiting to hear a call, and then challenge when they don't hear it, but a petty ump could say they missed the window. This will be the only way umps have any control over it going forward, so you can bet there will be some less-than-professional application of this rule.

Also strategically it doesn't make much sense to challenge every pitch, you typically only want to do it with 2 strikes or 3 balls, and you want to wait until the 2nd half of the game.

A Youtuber did a pretty good video about the statistics of when to do it, and how the Brewers were trying to assist from the dugout:

Disclaimer: The video above is hosted on Youtube, and has not be reviewed by the staff of the Post-Dispatch.
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spfldan wrote: 30 Mar 2026 05:29 am I'm kinda diggin the new ABS. It adds something. Fan reaction because the immediate results of the appeal is interesting. CJ Bucknor would probably disagree.
CB...
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3dender wrote: 30 Mar 2026 08:23 am Yes you don't lose the challenge if you're correct.

For me the most interesting part is seeing how players are gonna passively show up the umps, e.g. how Arozarena took his base the other day before the video even got up on screen.

I also think something to watch is how umps might crack down on the 2-second window in which someone can challenge... we've already seen some questionable rulings around that for both batter and catcher. Like the catcher might be waiting to hear a call, and then challenge when they don't hear it, but a petty ump could say they missed the window. This will be the only way umps have any control over it going forward, so you can bet there will be some less-than-professional application of this rule.

Also strategically it doesn't make much sense to challenge every pitch, you typically only want to do it with 2 strikes or 3 balls, and you want to wait until the 2nd half of the game.

A Youtuber did a pretty good video about the statistics of when to do it, and how the Brewers were trying to assist from the dugout:

Disclaimer: The video above is hosted on Youtube, and has not be reviewed by the staff of the Post-Dispatch.
Nice write. Do you think managers hold or keep a challenge for a major risp situation- called strike/ball. That would greatly affect inning and game.
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 30 Mar 2026 07:41 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: 30 Mar 2026 07:38 am No reason for ABS to be limited to 2 successful challenges. It should be ever pitch.
I think two has produced a slightly better game, in only a small sample. I think unlimited might be every pitch one way or another.

At about 13 seconds per event, I like 4-5 challenges.
No need for challenges. Let the ABS call every pitch. Take the guesswork out of it.
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ScotchMIrish wrote: 30 Mar 2026 08:33 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 30 Mar 2026 07:41 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: 30 Mar 2026 07:38 am No reason for ABS to be limited to 2 successful challenges. It should be ever pitch.
I think two has produced a slightly better game, in only a small sample. I think unlimited might be every pitch one way or another.

At about 13 seconds per event, I like 4-5 challenges.
No need for challenges. Let the ABS call every pitch. Take the guesswork out of it.
I like that.
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I think players who are known to have an exceptional eye at the plate will be given carte blanche on challenges until they lose enough challenges for the manager to decide they can’t be trusted with that power.
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Gob wrote: 30 Mar 2026 08:38 am I think players who are known to have an exceptional eye at the plate will be given carte blanche on challenges until they lose enough challenges for the manager to decide they can’t be trusted with that power.
So the ABS could breed negative action. Lack of trust. Take away the option from player.
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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 30 Mar 2026 08:40 am
Gob wrote: 30 Mar 2026 08:38 am I think players who are known to have an exceptional eye at the plate will be given carte blanche on challenges until they lose enough challenges for the manager to decide they can’t be trusted with that power.
So the ABS could breed negative action. Lack of trust. Take away the option from player.
Yeah, I bet internally teams are already giving their guys green/yellow/red lights on who can challenge and when.