Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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dugoutrex
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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one and done - this has been Tiger basketball since the 70's
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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dugoutrex wrote: 23 Mar 2026 19:10 pm one and done - this has been Tiger basketball since the 70's
Then how do you explain the 20+ victories in NCAA tournament games since the 70's?
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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onemizzou wrote: 21 Mar 2026 19:14 pm They just need to pay more for better players.
True. Some of the mid-major talent may hit the portal.
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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dugoutrex wrote: 23 Mar 2026 19:10 pm one and done - this has been Tiger basketball since the 70's
Other than their Sweet 16 and Elite 8 appearances? What other team have you been watching?
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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dhsux wrote: 23 Mar 2026 18:53 pm
onemizzou wrote: 21 Mar 2026 19:14 pm They just need to pay more for better players.
They do need to pay more. They need to rally the funding.

But they also need a coach who can relate and land recruits and NIL guys and tell them Columbia is the place to be to grow and prosper and have them believe it.

THAT'S Dennis Gates.

Give him the time to do it.
I'm fine with keeping Gates, although I don't think he's a great coach I do think he's good enough to get a reasonably talented team to the FF.
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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onemizzou wrote: 24 Mar 2026 10:29 am
dhsux wrote: 23 Mar 2026 18:53 pm
onemizzou wrote: 21 Mar 2026 19:14 pm They just need to pay more for better players.
They do need to pay more. They need to rally the funding.

But they also need a coach who can relate and land recruits and NIL guys and tell them Columbia is the place to be to grow and prosper and have them believe it.

THAT'S Dennis Gates.

Give him the time to do it.
I'm fine with keeping Gates, although I don't think he's a great coach I do think he's good enough to get a reasonably talented team to the FF.
Poor talent evaluater, inability to coach guys up, poor X and O guy, inconsistent recruiter, yeah, he's our guy.
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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Finally a voice of reason

https://x.com/murandy_realtor/status/20 ... 0366417979

Check out the first comment under the video.
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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TheMajicMan wrote: 24 Mar 2026 10:49 am Finally a voice of reason

https://x.com/murandy_realtor/status/20 ... 0366417979

Check out the first comment under the video.
The comment from Chainsaw Man or American Psycho?
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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onemizzou wrote: 23 Mar 2026 18:46 pm
Shady wrote: 22 Mar 2026 10:39 am
onemizzou wrote: 22 Mar 2026 08:21 am
Shady wrote: 21 Mar 2026 19:18 pm
onemizzou wrote: 21 Mar 2026 19:14 pm They just need to pay more for better players.
So will that guarantee the needed consistency to win big? Ex. Advance to at least the Sweet Sixteen.
Yes, that's the way it's works. When you have more talent than other teams you consistently win more. Do you not understand sports (or life).
I won a lot of basketball games as a head coach. Talent is very important. Especially, superior talent. But there are many other aspects involved in putting together a tremendous team that is consistent. You don't seem to have the capacity to understand that.
You're joking. Anyone that know sports knows that more talent wins more often. That's the starting point. You can do other things to improve on your win percentage but having better talent is step 1. Get over yourself.
"Put 4-5 five star players on the floor and if they aren’t coached well you won’t win or at least win the big ones. Coaching makes a huge difference". Let this sink in.
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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Lightning Rod wrote: 24 Mar 2026 10:39 am
onemizzou wrote: 24 Mar 2026 10:29 am
dhsux wrote: 23 Mar 2026 18:53 pm
onemizzou wrote: 21 Mar 2026 19:14 pm They just need to pay more for better players.
They do need to pay more. They need to rally the funding.

But they also need a coach who can relate and land recruits and NIL guys and tell them Columbia is the place to be to grow and prosper and have them believe it.

THAT'S Dennis Gates.

Give him the time to do it.
I'm fine with keeping Gates, although I don't think he's a great coach I do think he's good enough to get a reasonably talented team to the FF.
Poor talent evaluater, inability to coach guys up, poor X and O guy, inconsistent recruiter, yeah, he's our guy.
I disagree with most of what you say here and the recruiting is more about money than anything else.
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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Shady wrote: 24 Mar 2026 11:43 am
onemizzou wrote: 23 Mar 2026 18:46 pm
Shady wrote: 22 Mar 2026 10:39 am
onemizzou wrote: 22 Mar 2026 08:21 am
Shady wrote: 21 Mar 2026 19:18 pm
onemizzou wrote: 21 Mar 2026 19:14 pm They just need to pay more for better players.
So will that guarantee the needed consistency to win big? Ex. Advance to at least the Sweet Sixteen.
Yes, that's the way it's works. When you have more talent than other teams you consistently win more. Do you not understand sports (or life).
I won a lot of basketball games as a head coach. Talent is very important. Especially, superior talent. But there are many other aspects involved in putting together a tremendous team that is consistent. You don't seem to have the capacity to understand that.
You're joking. Anyone that know sports knows that more talent wins more often. That's the starting point. You can do other things to improve on your win percentage but having better talent is step 1. Get over yourself.
"Put 4-5 five star players on the floor and if they aren’t coached well you won’t win or at least win the big ones. Coaching makes a huge difference". Let this sink in.
Jesus dude, you think you're talking over my head but you aren't. Even Calipari wins with 4-5 star kids so while it takes a decent coach to win with good talent it's MUCH easier to win with more talent.
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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Shady wrote: 22 Mar 2026 10:51 am
winonsports wrote: 22 Mar 2026 10:49 am
Shady wrote: 22 Mar 2026 10:39 am I won a lot of basketball games as a head coach. Talent is very important. Especially, superior talent. But there are many other aspects involved in putting together a tremendous team that is consistent. You don't seem to have the capacity to understand that.
I heard St Monica's closed their school.

Is that why you used the past tense?
MBCA Hall of Fame.
How much did they charge your school for a table at the annual banquet that year?
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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winonsports wrote: 23 Mar 2026 19:42 pm
dugoutrex wrote: 23 Mar 2026 19:10 pm one and done - this has been Tiger basketball since the 70's
Then how do you explain the 20+ victories in NCAA tournament games since the 70's?
Here’s the breakdown:

14 1st round losses (includes one Sweet 16 in 1944)
11 2nd round losses
4 Elite 8 losses
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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Here's the breakdown for Troll of Year:

Red
Rod
Abner
Rojo
WS11Champ
Jack Bolly
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mizfan
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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I wrote this before when Martin was at this stage of his career at Mizzou. Gates does some things well as head coach, but we all agree the offensive structure or lack of is a major issue. Hire an assistant coach who is well versed in the European systems of five out and ball screen continuity offenses and give this coach the freedom to install and coach it and make in game adjustments against man and zone. Many of the D1 programs are doing it now. Gates needs to look inward and realize this, as he already has numerous assistants who probably play the yes man role. Sadly, I don't see this happening, and it will be Ground Hog Day next year again at this time regardless of who he recruited.
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Re: Something needs to change with Missouri basketball

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winonsports wrote: 24 Mar 2026 12:47 pm Here's the breakdown for Troll of Year:

Red
Rod
Abner
Rojo
WS11Champ
Jack Bolly
Majicman
Congratulations boys.

This can only mean that some or all of those on the list have handed this moron his (donkey) in multiple threads not only now but when he was under whatever username (lacoochie, Supreme,etc.) he was banned on in the past.

Keep up the good work.