Devastating point of view for those relishing Cards struggles

[rockondlouie]

I may end up eating it but I'm sticking to my:

2026 Team > 2025 Team

mantra

Better to be an optimist and be wrong than a pessimist and be right.

[hugeCardfan]

No fan relishes the Cardinals struggling. The title is stupid
To the contrary fans are (upset) off that incompetent idiots have guided this winning proud franchise to the point where a washout and rebuild are necessary. So it’s very odd for a fan to have an opinion that what’s happened here in Stl is something to look forward to. The future is as uncertain as its ever Been in my lifetime. You and others can wish and hope that all these prospects end up performing at the MLB level but that is a very rare occurrence to happen at once. This season will not see winning, next season probably won’t see winning, and if BDW doesn’t spend good luck competing after that.
So casting ignorant dispersions on fans that write negatively about the clusterphuck that occured with the team begs the question….
Did/do you want fans to cheer for this giant clusterphuck???

Sorry bubby. I think you have confused yourself for a fan.

You have my permission to be miserable. Frankly, I take delight in it.

[Cusecards]

No fan relishes the Cardinals struggling. The title is stupid
To the contrary fans are (upset) off that incompetent idiots have guided this winning proud franchise to the point where a washout and rebuild are necessary. So it’s very odd for a fan to have an opinion that what’s happened here in Stl is something to look forward to. The future is as uncertain as its ever Been in my lifetime. You and others can wish and hope that all these prospects end up performing at the MLB level but that is a very rare occurrence to happen at once. This season will not see winning, next season probably won’t see winning, and if BDW doesn’t spend good luck competing after that.
So casting ignorant dispersions on fans that write negatively about the clusterphuck that occured with the team begs the question….
Did/do you want fans to cheer for this giant clusterphuck???

Sorry bubby. I think you have confused yourself for a fan.

You have my permission to be miserable. Frankly, I take delight in it.

Uh oh......now you’ve done it!
And I’m about to get another lecture just for that one 6 word sentence!

[Absolut]

No fan relishes the Cardinals struggling. The title is stupid
To the contrary fans are (upset) that incompetent idiots have guided this winning proud franchise to the point where a washout and rebuild are necessary. So it’s very odd for a fan to have an opinion that what’s happened here in Stl is something to look forward to. The future is as uncertain as its ever Been in my lifetime. You and others can wish and hope that all these prospects end up performing at the MLB level but that is a very rare occurrence to happen at once. This season will not see winning, next season probably won’t see winning, and if BDW doesn’t spend good luck competing after that.
So casting ignorant dispersions on fans that write negatively about the clusterphuck that occured with the team begs the question….
Did/do you want fans to cheer for this giant clusterphuck???

Oh I don’t know. The I told you so crowd after I spring game sound pretty delighted.

[Carp4Cy]

I may end up eating it but I'm sticking to my:

2026 Team > 2025 Team

mantra

Better to be an optimist and be wrong than a pessimist and be right.

Or.. better to be a pessimist and be surpirsed than an optimist and be disappointed

[Goldfan]

No fan relishes the Cardinals struggling. The title is stupid
To the contrary fans are (upset) off that incompetent idiots have guided this winning proud franchise to the point where a washout and rebuild are necessary. So it’s very odd for a fan to have an opinion that what’s happened here in Stl is something to look forward to. The future is as uncertain as its ever Been in my lifetime. You and others can wish and hope that all these prospects end up performing at the MLB level but that is a very rare occurrence to happen at once. This season will not see winning, next season probably won’t see winning, and if BDW doesn’t spend good luck competing after that.
So casting ignorant dispersions on fans that write negatively about the clusterphuck that occured with the team begs the question….
Did/do you want fans to cheer for this giant clusterphuck???

Sorry bubby. I think you have confused yourself for a fan.

You have my permission to be miserable. Frankly, I take delight in it.

So as a fan….you supported, applauded, cheered the historically poor decisions made by the owner, last POBO, and unqualified manager for at least 6-7 years? You enjoyed their incompetence and felt that no other fan should point out these things?
And you have a general opinion that some CARDS “fans” WANT them to do poorly?
You apparently are as uninformed and ignorant about Cards Fandom as you were about the enormous mess BDW/MO administered.

[CCard]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ca ... r-AA1WUdNJ

Cardinals’ revamped roster has league taking notice
Story by Patrick McAvoy •



The St. Louis Cardinals had a transformational offseason in Chaim Bloom's first one leading the organization.

Bloom and the organization certainly didn't want to wait around any longer to really reset the franchise. The last three seasons were a struggle. Bloom's job is to turn the organization around and the Cardinals bet on the future by adding a handful of prospects this offseason.


One thing about prospects, is that they are typically not guaranteed. Just because someone is a first-round pick, doesn't mean they'll pan out. We'll see how things work out for the Cardinals, but one thing that should give St. Louis fans hope is the fact that ESPN's David Schoenfield graded the Cardinals' offense as a "B+."

The Cardinals' future is very bright.


"St. Louis Cardinals: B+," Schoenfield wrote. "Key additions: RHP Hunter Dobbins, RHP Dustin May, RHP Richard Fitts, RHP Ryne Stanek, RHP/LHP Jurrangelo Cijntje, LHP Brandon Clarke. Key departures: RHP Sonny Gray, INF Brendan Donovan, 1B Willson Contreras, 3B Nolan Arenado, RHP Miles Mikolas. Well, it's done: The rebuild, the revamp, the step back -- whatever you want to call it -- is officially complete. The only players older than 30 on the 40-man roster are relievers Riley O'Brien and Stanek. The farm system has been improved, with five top-100 prospects led by infielder JJ Wetherholt, a top Rookie of the Year candidate for 2026.


"The payroll has been trimmed some $45 million from 2025, so that will make owner Bill DeWitt happy, although the organization will have to win back the fans with better results -- eventually -- on the field. If you accept the premise of rebuilding, then Chaim Bloom did an excellent job. Improving the long-term viability of the rotation was the biggest need and Bloom did that with two separate trades with his old friends in Boston and then the Donovan deal.

"Dobbins and Fitts are more fourth/fifth-starter types, and Cijntje and Clarke are power arms with higher ceilings but reliever risk. They were two of the better prospects to switch teams this winter. What we don't know: With a payroll now half of what it was just two years ago, where will the Cardinals go in the future?"

The fact that a top league insider like Schoenfield is willing to grade the offseason this highly, should give the fanbase some solace that St. Louis made the right moves.

The biggest prospect the Cardinals brought back to town was switch-pitcher Jurrangelo Cijntje. Brandon Clarke is injured, but also profiles as a top-of-the-rotation arm. St. Louis also added No. 10 prospect Yhoiker Fajardo along with outfielders Tai Peete and Colton Ledbetter and two draft picks, among other moves.

The future is bright, Cardinals fans.

We'll see how the trades work out. All those pitchers are unproven at best and Clarke is already busting pipes. And prospects as we know are just prospects. Up one year down the next. And cutting payroll does nothing for this team but make them short on talent. I will say that the Cards have a dynamic pr dept. Where's Woo when she's needed?

[hugeCardfan]

No fan relishes the Cardinals struggling. The title is stupid
To the contrary fans are (upset) off that incompetent idiots have guided this winning proud franchise to the point where a washout and rebuild are necessary. So it’s very odd for a fan to have an opinion that what’s happened here in Stl is something to look forward to. The future is as uncertain as its ever Been in my lifetime. You and others can wish and hope that all these prospects end up performing at the MLB level but that is a very rare occurrence to happen at once. This season will not see winning, next season probably won’t see winning, and if BDW doesn’t spend good luck competing after that.
So casting ignorant dispersions on fans that write negatively about the clusterphuck that occured with the team begs the question….
Did/do you want fans to cheer for this giant clusterphuck???

Sorry bubby. I think you have confused yourself for a fan.

You have my permission to be miserable. Frankly, I take delight in it.

So as a fan….you supported, applauded, cheered the historically poor decisions made by the owner, last POBO, and unqualified manager for at least 6-7 years? You enjoyed their incompetence and felt that no other fan should point out these things?
And you have a general opinion that some CARDS “fans” WANT them to do poorly?
You apparently are as uninformed and ignorant about Cards Fandom as you were about the enormous mess BDW/MO administered.

No. I just think that a fan should have a statutory limit on how long he can be angry with an organization and how many vituperative names he can throw around about that organization. At some point he/she needs to dust themselves off and go find an organization as perfect as (he/she/it) is and root away.

The organization has been up front about its missteps and the effort it is making to rectify them. As a fan I am willing to evaluate those steps and wait to see if their labor bears fruit. There is nothing productive about venting over a previous POBO; and anyone still deliberating over the past seems foolish and needs to come to terms that they no longer qualify as a fan.

It might benefit you to seek professional help on what it is you are really angry about. Your current situation appears unhealthy to me.

[Goldfan]

No fan relishes the Cardinals struggling. The title is stupid
To the contrary fans are (upset) off that incompetent idiots have guided this winning proud franchise to the point where a washout and rebuild are necessary. So it’s very odd for a fan to have an opinion that what’s happened here in Stl is something to look forward to. The future is as uncertain as its ever Been in my lifetime. You and others can wish and hope that all these prospects end up performing at the MLB level but that is a very rare occurrence to happen at once. This season will not see winning, next season probably won’t see winning, and if BDW doesn’t spend good luck competing after that.
So casting ignorant dispersions on fans that write negatively about the clusterphuck that occured with the team begs the question….
Did/do you want fans to cheer for this giant clusterphuck???

Sorry bubby. I think you have confused yourself for a fan.

You have my permission to be miserable. Frankly, I take delight in it.

So as a fan….you supported, applauded, cheered the historically poor decisions made by the owner, last POBO, and unqualified manager for at least 6-7 years? You enjoyed their incompetence and felt that no other fan should point out these things?
And you have a general opinion that some CARDS “fans” WANT them to do poorly?
You apparently are as uninformed and ignorant about Cards Fandom as you were about the enormous mess BDW/MO administered.

No. I just think that a fan should have a statutory limit on how long he can be angry with an organization and how many vituperative names he can throw around about that organization. At some point he/she needs to dust themselves off and go find an organization as perfect as (he/she/it) is and root away.

The organization has been up front about its missteps and the effort it is making to rectify them. As a fan I am willing to evaluate those steps and wait to see if their labor bears fruit. There is nothing productive about venting over a previous POBO; and anyone still deliberating over the past seems foolish and needs to come to terms that they no longer qualify as a fan.

It might benefit you to seek professional help on what it is you are really angry about. Your current situation appears unhealthy to me.

Sure….and that’s why you decided to stir the pot with your title…..because you’re such an easy going neutral party.
You mistake my lack of patience with this org and competitiveness as anger. Mo was just offloaded in OCT of 2025…..last year should’ve been the dismantling…..and Oli is still manager. So your “laying on the sword” assessment really doesn’t hold water.
But as you say the past is the past……So why the TITLE? Just post your glowing prospect article……..
Your take is that because some of us posted loudy and often about the idiocy at Busch that we don’t want the team to win….which is the exact opposite of the true motivation.

[passthebuck]

I know I've predicted doom and gloom and an abysmal record, but I want the record straight. I'd much prefer they win 100+ games and be a powerhouse that strikes fear in opposing managers when they see them coming on the schedule.

I'm just not going to look at them through rose coloured glasses no matter the state of the team. I as a lifelong can I will always hope they win and will always cheer for them.

But in being realistic, JUST like the Cardinals can't compete financially with the Dodgers, the costs of attending a baseball game nowadays is pretty serious to most fans getting left behind in this economy. Meaning it makes little sense to pay out the investment when the product just isn't worth it at the moment. At the end of the day it's an adult "business" decision. I would hope most people would look at it in a similar fashion.

If revenue, and player salaries are going to take a step backwards then so does everything else. No one ever paid 600 dollars to go to a Fleetwood Mac concert to see opening band.

[Cusecards]

No fan relishes the Cardinals struggling. The title is stupid
To the contrary fans are (upset) off that incompetent idiots have guided this winning proud franchise to the point where a washout and rebuild are necessary. So it’s very odd for a fan to have an opinion that what’s happened here in Stl is something to look forward to. The future is as uncertain as its ever Been in my lifetime. You and others can wish and hope that all these prospects end up performing at the MLB level but that is a very rare occurrence to happen at once. This season will not see winning, next season probably won’t see winning, and if BDW doesn’t spend good luck competing after that.
So casting ignorant dispersions on fans that write negatively about the clusterphuck that occured with the team begs the question….
Did/do you want fans to cheer for this giant clusterphuck???

Sorry bubby. I think you have confused yourself for a fan.

You have my permission to be miserable. Frankly, I take delight in it.

So as a fan….you supported, applauded, cheered the historically poor decisions made by the owner, last POBO, and unqualified manager for at least 6-7 years? You enjoyed their incompetence and felt that no other fan should point out these things?
And you have a general opinion that some CARDS “fans” WANT them to do poorly?
You apparently are as uninformed and ignorant about Cards Fandom as you were about the enormous mess BDW/MO administered.

No. I just think that a fan should have a statutory limit on how long he can be angry with an organization and how many vituperative names he can throw around about that organization. At some point he/she needs to dust themselves off and go find an organization as perfect as (he/she/it) is and root away.

The organization has been up front about its missteps and the effort it is making to rectify them. As a fan I am willing to evaluate those steps and wait to see if their labor bears fruit. There is nothing productive about venting over a previous POBO; and anyone still deliberating over the past seems foolish and needs to come to terms that they no longer qualify as a fan.

It might benefit you to seek professional help on what it is you are really angry about. Your current situation appears unhealthy to me.

+1000
And your last paragraph is spot on.
Definitely some emotional issues there!

[hugeCardfan]

I know I've predicted doom and gloom and an abysmal record, but I want the record straight. I'd much prefer they win 100+ games and be a powerhouse that strikes fear in opposing managers when they see them coming on the schedule.

I'm just not going to look at them through rose coloured glasses no matter the state of the team. I as a lifelong can I will always hope they win and will always cheer for them.

But in being realistic, JUST like the Cardinals can't compete financially with the Dodgers, the costs of attending a baseball game nowadays is pretty serious to most fans getting left behind in this economy. Meaning it makes little sense to pay out the investment when the product just isn't worth it at the moment. At the end of the day it's an adult "business" decision. I would hope most people would look at it in a similar fashion.

If revenue, and player salaries are going to take a step backwards then so does everything else. No one ever paid 600 dollars to go to a Fleetwood Mac concert to see opening band.

OT:
I can remember arguing 20 years ago on CT that the damaging salaries proffered to the superstars would undo the practicality of the game. I was accused of not being a capitalist. I don't begrudge a great salary for professional players but $300,000,000 to 700,000,000 contracts make no sense and are tearing down the walls of a once great sporting event. You can't really protect certain owners from themselves. Greed obscures perspective and now teams that could be bought for ten million 25 years ago are valued at one to six Billion. We are helplessly watching Baseball summarily demolish the pillars of a magnificent enterprise while simultaneously removing the competitive aspect decades of history have proffered.

I'm disappointed and my optimistic nature hopes for resolution albeit sees no viable solution. Maybe the '27 negotiations will attach a band aid to competitiveness...but the cost to attend baseball games continues to elude the fan. Sadly, even the chance to watch televised games has become more difficult.