Ramon Urias

[ecleme22]

If this is a major league deal, it only makes sense if they are planning on using Urias as a starter at 3B, and that they are also not going to use Gorman at 3B much. So, that leads to the assumption that Gorman will be playing 2B, and that Wetherholt will start the season at Memphis. OR, that perhaps some team has offered a very strong offer for Gorman and Bloom is about to accept it. OR, they are planning on using Gorman at 1B, and moving Burleson over to LF.

If none of these options are valid, then the signing of Urias does not make good sense.

A former GG winner, hits RH, has a little pop, hits RH pitching, and can play 3b or 2b. How does adding a player with that resume not make sense? It would be nice to have a few of those players on the bench.

All winter long, many of us have stressed how badly the Cardinals needed a RHH OF, which they have needed for years. They could have signed several good 30 year+ vets to fill that need for just a bit more than this IF has signed for. They already had Saggese, Fermin, and Gorman to play at 3B and/or 2B. When I and others posted about this, we were attacked by so many posters whose contention was that the Cards are in a rebuild, they don't need to sign old vets to keep the youngsters from getting PT.

Urias is not a bad UT IF, but seems to me that he was not the primary need for this team in 2026.

He adds security to the infield defense——something that may not seem important until the team starts playing games…

[TopofthePerch]

He plays multiple positions and there is a D.H. we needed a right handed bat. There are also always injuries. It's just a one year deal. Acting like this gets in the way of anything is a massive stretch.

[Cardinals4Life]

If this is a major league deal, it only makes sense if they are planning on using Urias as a starter at 3B, and that they are also not going to use Gorman at 3B much. So, that leads to the assumption that Gorman will be playing 2B, and that Wetherholt will start the season at Memphis. OR, that perhaps some team has offered a very strong offer for Gorman and Bloom is about to accept it. OR, they are planning on using Gorman at 1B, and moving Burleson over to LF.

If none of these options are valid, then the signing of Urias does not make good sense.

That part is not happening.

Which "that part" are you referring to?

The part in bold...."Wetherholt will start the season at Memphis."

[rockondlouie]

Urias
2021 -2025
.256 .319 .400 .720
103 OPS+


Saggese
2024-2025
.250 .292 .336 .628
78 OPS+

This move affects Saggese the most, Fermin too.

Norman likely headed to the DH role.

In no way, shape or form does this move affect JJW who will be standing at 2nd Base on OD.

Won't move the needle but what do we expect given BDWJr isn't spending money this season.

[12xu]

If this is a major league deal, it only makes sense if they are planning on using Urias as a starter at 3B, and that they are also not going to use Gorman at 3B much. So, that leads to the assumption that Gorman will be playing 2B, and that Wetherholt will start the season at Memphis. OR, that perhaps some team has offered a very strong offer for Gorman and Bloom is about to accept it. OR, they are planning on using Gorman at 1B, and moving Burleson over to LF.

If none of these options are valid, then the signing of Urias does not make good sense.

A former GG winner, hits RH, has a little pop, hits RH pitching, and can play 3b or 2b. How does adding a player with that resume not make sense? It would be nice to have a few of those players on the bench.

All winter long, many of us have stressed how badly the Cardinals needed a RHH OF, which they have needed for years. They could have signed several good 30 year+ vets to fill that need for just a bit more than this IF has signed for. They already had Saggese, Fermin, and Gorman to play at 3B and/or 2B. When I and others posted about this, we were attacked by so many posters whose contention was that the Cards are in a rebuild, they don't need to sign old vets to keep the youngsters from getting PT.

Urias is not a bad UT IF, but seems to me that he was not the primary need for this team in 2026.

Did any of those good 30+ year old vet RHH OFers sign for $2m?

They could have gotten Chas McCormick on a minor league deal for much less, and as I stated above, for just a few million more than $2 MM they could have signed Hays or Andujar.

[TopofthePerch]

Urias
2021 -2025
.256 .319 .400 .720
103 OPS+


Saggese
2024-2025
.250 .292 .336 .628
78 OPS+

This move affects Saggese the most, Fermin too.

Norman likely headed to the DH role.

In no way, shape or form does this move affect JJW who will be standing at 2nd Base on OD.

Won't move the needle but what do we expect given BDWJr isn't spending money this season.

Very reasonable take and also Saggese to ill get a look in the outfield. I think there is enough flexibility where guys will get there chances and it also helps cover if there are injuries which will happen.

[12xu]

If this is a major league deal, it only makes sense if they are planning on using Urias as a starter at 3B, and that they are also not going to use Gorman at 3B much. So, that leads to the assumption that Gorman will be playing 2B, and that Wetherholt will start the season at Memphis. OR, that perhaps some team has offered a very strong offer for Gorman and Bloom is about to accept it. OR, they are planning on using Gorman at 1B, and moving Burleson over to LF.

If none of these options are valid, then the signing of Urias does not make good sense.

That part is not happening.

Which "that part" are you referring to?

The part in bold...."Wetherholt will start the season at Memphis."

OK, I agree that should not happen, but I have seen this team make other decisions in the past which were quite surprising.

[Cardinals4Life]

If this is a major league deal, it only makes sense if they are planning on using Urias as a starter at 3B, and that they are also not going to use Gorman at 3B much. So, that leads to the assumption that Gorman will be playing 2B, and that Wetherholt will start the season at Memphis. OR, that perhaps some team has offered a very strong offer for Gorman and Bloom is about to accept it. OR, they are planning on using Gorman at 1B, and moving Burleson over to LF.

If none of these options are valid, then the signing of Urias does not make good sense.

That part is not happening.

Which "that part" are you referring to?

The part in bold...."Wetherholt will start the season at Memphis."

OK, I agree that should not happen, but I have seen this team make other decisions in the past which were quite surprising.

Fair enough, lol.

[CorneliusWolfe]

I’ve liked blooms so far but this would be kind of a stupid move

Makes no sense. Fermin or Sagesse couldn’t provide a .675 OPS?? He has a good glove but wrong side of 30 and creates blockage.

[Basil Shabazz]

I’ve liked blooms so far but this would be kind of a stupid move

Makes no sense. Fermin or Sagesse couldn’t provide a .675 OPS?? He has a good glove but wrong side of 30 and creates blockage.

A one year signing creates “blockage”? lol

It does not. If Saggese hits, he’ll play, if not, the defense will play. If Urias stinks, he’ll be DFA’d. This signing is 3B security for if Gorman can’t figure it out. Urias has a great glove at 3B and as Cardinal fans, we should appreciate how valuable that is.

An infield defense of Urias, Winn, JJW, Burly… may be one of the best in the league.

[Cardinals4Life]

If this is a major league deal, it only makes sense if they are planning on using Urias as a starter at 3B, and that they are also not going to use Gorman at 3B much. So, that leads to the assumption that Gorman will be playing 2B, and that Wetherholt will start the season at Memphis. OR, that perhaps some team has offered a very strong offer for Gorman and Bloom is about to accept it. OR, they are planning on using Gorman at 1B, and moving Burleson over to LF.

If none of these options are valid, then the signing of Urias does not make good sense.

A former GG winner, hits RH, has a little pop, hits RH pitching, and can play 3b or 2b. How does adding a player with that resume not make sense? It would be nice to have a few of those players on the bench.

All winter long, many of us have stressed how badly the Cardinals needed a RHH OF, which they have needed for years. They could have signed several good 30 year+ vets to fill that need for just a bit more than this IF has signed for. They already had Saggese, Fermin, and Gorman to play at 3B and/or 2B. When I and others posted about this, we were attacked by so many posters whose contention was that the Cards are in a rebuild, they don't need to sign old vets to keep the youngsters from getting PT.

Urias is not a bad UT IF, but seems to me that he was not the primary need for this team in 2026.

12x,

Does Urias kind of replace Donovan's role on the team (minus the OF option)?

[Cusecards]

Lots of great comments/opinions.
I admit to being surprised at the signing what with Saggese and Fermin already in place.
Of course one of them could be dealt... more likely it would be Fermin.
Still...lots of moving parts any/all of which could trigger a domino affect:
Herrera- If he doesn’t Catch he slides somewhere(DH/LF?) as his bat will certainly be in the lineup.
Noot- How long is he out? Could he be dealt?
Saggese- Does he get the bulk of his PT in the OF?
Fermin- Same?
Gorman- If Herrera does Catch is the primary DH?

Hey...lots of good stuff to follow and talk about!

[Jobu's Rum]

What's the downside? $2mil, maybe. Otherwise, he's a gold glove defender with above league average offense. We are young and have zero idea how Saggesse, Gorman, JJ or any of these other dudes are going to pan out. If the kids rise to the occasion, Ramon doesn't play much and spells them from time to time. If the kids flop, you have a viable 3rd, 2nd or 1st base option. He can also be flipped at the deadline as he was last year. Again, zero downside.

Nah really dumb move. Why not just keep Arenado then? Both on the other side of 30, both good D at 3B, even nado provide a little more power. Youre still paying Nado the lion's share anyway. Or I would have rather kept Ramos even with a bad glove at his age and see if he could develop. Not like theyre winning anything in 26

[Cusecards]

If this is a major league deal, it only makes sense if they are planning on using Urias as a starter at 3B, and that they are also not going to use Gorman at 3B much. So, that leads to the assumption that Gorman will be playing 2B, and that Wetherholt will start the season at Memphis. OR, that perhaps some team has offered a very strong offer for Gorman and Bloom is about to accept it. OR, they are planning on using Gorman at 1B, and moving Burleson over to LF.

If none of these options are valid, then the signing of Urias does not make good sense.

A former GG winner, hits RH, has a little pop, hits RH pitching, and can play 3b or 2b. How does adding a player with that resume not make sense? It would be nice to have a few of those players on the bench.

All winter long, many of us have stressed how badly the Cardinals needed a RHH OF, which they have needed for years. They could have signed several good 30 year+ vets to fill that need for just a bit more than this IF has signed for. They already had Saggese, Fermin, and Gorman to play at 3B and/or 2B. When I and others posted about this, we were attacked by so many posters whose contention was that the Cards are in a rebuild, they don't need to sign old vets to keep the youngsters from getting PT.

Urias is not a bad UT IF, but seems to me that he was not the primary need for this team in 2026.

12x,

Does Urias kind of replace Donovan's role on the team (minus the OF option)?

+1
And Urías is clearly a better defender than Fermin and Saggese.

[rockondlouie]

Urias
2021 -2025
.256 .319 .400 .720
103 OPS+


Saggese
2024-2025
.250 .292 .336 .628
78 OPS+

This move affects Saggese the most, Fermin too.

Norman likely headed to the DH role.

In no way, shape or form does this move affect JJW who will be standing at 2nd Base on OD.

Won't move the needle but what do we expect given BDWJr isn't spending money this season.

Very reasonable take and also Saggese to ill get a look in the outfield. I think there is enough flexibility where guys will get there chances and it also helps cover if there are injuries which will happen.

Agreed

[PacNWCardsfan2]

Personal opinion Saggese is the odd man out. Although an extremely small sample size, Fermin has played OF (25 inn MLB), plus 160 inn in the minors, Saggese has none.

It's not much but all the little things add up.