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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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OldRed wrote: 20 Feb 2026 09:55 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
Better yet, if he was fired, who would hire him?
Like Matheny?
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Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:35 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:42 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:17 pm
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 14:18 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 09:30 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 09:23 am
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
Oh, Pujols and Molina. There is literally no evidence those guys would be better. If you want the change b/c they're a name that will draw interest from the fanbase, then fine.

Why would Varitek be better? Maybe he would be, but he's the "Player Information Coach" or "Game Planning Coordinator" with the Red Sox. By what measure would you base an argument that he would be a successful Manager? What are his coaching accomplishments that make you want him? And Joe Maddon? He's 72 and let a potential dynasty with the Cubs die on his watch, after 2016. He hasn't been a successful Manager for almost a decade. This cannot be a serious recommendation.

Seems to me that people are throwing nonsense at the wall.

I'd be fine with Pujols or Yadi, but by no means would I assume they would magically be better at managing games or the team as a whole. It would certainly be intriguing, and having one of their names in every Cardinals article and constantly talked about on local radio would be a boost to fan interest. A move like that certainly wouldn't have any basis in actual managerial skill.

You’re all over the place here…….

You go from “nobody will name names” to “well those names are stupid” when names are named

Then you go to “theres zero evidence proving they will be better than Oli” while providing zero evidence proving oli will be better than them

And THEN you go from calling hiring Yadi or Albert nonsense to saying “I’d be fine with Pujols or Yadi”

Pick a lane, sweetheart
Oh, so sorry, I should have qualified my statement with names AND provide reasons why. I guess I won't take common sense for granted any longer.

Yes, naming names without reasoning is nonsense. I gave mine for why I'd be fine with Yadi or Pujols.

The burden of truth is on the parties wanting to make the change, not the incumbent. Plus, I never advocated for Oli. Those are two, say it with me, common sense reasons why would I don't need to provide evidence of anything regarding Oli. Again, I'll remember the audience, moving forward.

I'm advocating against people calling for Marmol to be fired only b/c the records have been bad. There is rarely, if ever any substance provided on why and what the solution is. Without it, It's just drunken barstool meathead drivel.

The solution, as always of course, is a better roster.
So now we have gone from “nobody will name names” to “they aren’t giving evidence to why those names would be better”

I can already tell this is going to be pointless conversation with you because no matter what it’s just gonna turn into “yeah well…..you didn’t do(insert new reason)”

I’ve argued with enough females in my lifetime to not know when to just save my breath. Thoughts and prayers to your husband
Aw shucks. Some tough guy on the internet is calling me a girl. You've made the same argument twice, even though I clearly explained my blunder regarding the assumption of common sense. I'm admitting my mistake. Will not happen again. At what grade level would you prefer people to respond to your posts?

Not to much grade level as much as it is being able to have a good open debate that doesn’t turn into you calling your mother crying in the bathroom about how much of a jerk I’ve been.

Cause I’m gonna tell you right now. I’m not gonna buy you any apology flowers
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:49 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:35 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
Shoeless Joe knew the game and by all accounts he was an idiot.
To answer your question. Pujols made a baseball mistake everytime he ran the bases. He touched the bags with his left foot making the path around the bases longer. I learned that in little league.
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 17:00 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:49 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:35 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
Shoeless Joe knew the game and by all accounts he was an idiot.
To answer your question. Pujols made a baseball mistake everytime he ran the bases. He touched the bags with his left foot making the path around the bases longer. I learned that in little league.

Didn’t seem to affect him at all. I’ll take his baseball intellect over your little league coach
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:53 pm
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:42 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:17 pm
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 14:18 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 09:30 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 09:23 am
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
Oh, Pujols and Molina. There is literally no evidence those guys would be better. If you want the change b/c they're a name that will draw interest from the fanbase, then fine.

Why would Varitek be better? Maybe he would be, but he's the "Player Information Coach" or "Game Planning Coordinator" with the Red Sox. By what measure would you base an argument that he would be a successful Manager? What are his coaching accomplishments that make you want him? And Joe Maddon? He's 72 and let a potential dynasty with the Cubs die on his watch, after 2016. He hasn't been a successful Manager for almost a decade. This cannot be a serious recommendation.

Seems to me that people are throwing nonsense at the wall.

I'd be fine with Pujols or Yadi, but by no means would I assume they would magically be better at managing games or the team as a whole. It would certainly be intriguing, and having one of their names in every Cardinals article and constantly talked about on local radio would be a boost to fan interest. A move like that certainly wouldn't have any basis in actual managerial skill.

You’re all over the place here…….

You go from “nobody will name names” to “well those names are stupid” when names are named

Then you go to “theres zero evidence proving they will be better than Oli” while providing zero evidence proving oli will be better than them

And THEN you go from calling hiring Yadi or Albert nonsense to saying “I’d be fine with Pujols or Yadi”

Pick a lane, sweetheart
Oh, so sorry, I should have qualified my statement with names AND provide reasons why. I guess I won't take common sense for granted any longer.

Yes, naming names without reasoning is nonsense. I gave mine for why I'd be fine with Yadi or Pujols.

The burden of truth is on the parties wanting to make the change, not the incumbent. Plus, I never advocated for Oli. Those are two, say it with me, common sense reasons why would I don't need to provide evidence of anything regarding Oli. Again, I'll remember the audience, moving forward.

I'm advocating against people calling for Marmol to be fired only b/c the records have been bad. There is rarely, if ever any substance provided on why and what the solution is. Without it, It's just drunken barstool meathead drivel.

The solution, as always of course, is a better roster.
So now we have gone from “nobody will name names” to “they aren’t giving evidence to why those names would be better”

I can already tell this is going to be pointless conversation with you because no matter what it’s just gonna turn into “yeah well…..you didn’t do(insert new reason)”

I’ve argued with enough females in my lifetime to not know when to just save my breath. Thoughts and prayers to your husband
Aw shucks. Some tough guy on the internet is calling me a girl. You've made the same argument twice, even though I clearly explained my blunder regarding the assumption of common sense. I'm admitting my mistake. Will not happen again. At what grade level would you prefer people to respond to your posts?

Not to much grade level as much as it is being able to have a good open debate that doesn’t turn into you calling your mother crying in the bathroom about how much of a jerk I’ve been.

Cause I’m gonna tell you right now. I’m not gonna buy you any apology flowers
You’re complaining about not being able to have an open debate, yet your last three posts have only been lazy, adolescent insults. I think there’s a blind spot you may want to consider.

I’m not typically big on getting into a pissing match and calling other posters’ names, but I guess it happens. I’m bowing out of this conversation that I’ve clearly gotten nothing out of. Not one interesting point you’ve made. Just a bunch of whining. Ive never paid attention to you before. I’d imagine this is your schtick. Maybe you’re new. If so, maybe you’ll figure it out. Better luck on your next set of posts.
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woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 18:49 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:53 pm
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:42 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:17 pm
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 14:18 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 09:30 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 09:23 am
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
Oh, Pujols and Molina. There is literally no evidence those guys would be better. If you want the change b/c they're a name that will draw interest from the fanbase, then fine.

Why would Varitek be better? Maybe he would be, but he's the "Player Information Coach" or "Game Planning Coordinator" with the Red Sox. By what measure would you base an argument that he would be a successful Manager? What are his coaching accomplishments that make you want him? And Joe Maddon? He's 72 and let a potential dynasty with the Cubs die on his watch, after 2016. He hasn't been a successful Manager for almost a decade. This cannot be a serious recommendation.

Seems to me that people are throwing nonsense at the wall.

I'd be fine with Pujols or Yadi, but by no means would I assume they would magically be better at managing games or the team as a whole. It would certainly be intriguing, and having one of their names in every Cardinals article and constantly talked about on local radio would be a boost to fan interest. A move like that certainly wouldn't have any basis in actual managerial skill.

You’re all over the place here…….

You go from “nobody will name names” to “well those names are stupid” when names are named

Then you go to “theres zero evidence proving they will be better than Oli” while providing zero evidence proving oli will be better than them

And THEN you go from calling hiring Yadi or Albert nonsense to saying “I’d be fine with Pujols or Yadi”

Pick a lane, sweetheart
Oh, so sorry, I should have qualified my statement with names AND provide reasons why. I guess I won't take common sense for granted any longer.

Yes, naming names without reasoning is nonsense. I gave mine for why I'd be fine with Yadi or Pujols.

The burden of truth is on the parties wanting to make the change, not the incumbent. Plus, I never advocated for Oli. Those are two, say it with me, common sense reasons why would I don't need to provide evidence of anything regarding Oli. Again, I'll remember the audience, moving forward.

I'm advocating against people calling for Marmol to be fired only b/c the records have been bad. There is rarely, if ever any substance provided on why and what the solution is. Without it, It's just drunken barstool meathead drivel.

The solution, as always of course, is a better roster.
So now we have gone from “nobody will name names” to “they aren’t giving evidence to why those names would be better”

I can already tell this is going to be pointless conversation with you because no matter what it’s just gonna turn into “yeah well…..you didn’t do(insert new reason)”

I’ve argued with enough females in my lifetime to not know when to just save my breath. Thoughts and prayers to your husband
Aw shucks. Some tough guy on the internet is calling me a girl. You've made the same argument twice, even though I clearly explained my blunder regarding the assumption of common sense. I'm admitting my mistake. Will not happen again. At what grade level would you prefer people to respond to your posts?

Not to much grade level as much as it is being able to have a good open debate that doesn’t turn into you calling your mother crying in the bathroom about how much of a jerk I’ve been.

Cause I’m gonna tell you right now. I’m not gonna buy you any apology flowers
You’re complaining about not being able to have an open debate, yet your last three posts have only been lazy, adolescent insults. I think there’s a blind spot you may want to consider.

I’m not typically big on getting into a pissing match and calling other posters’ names, but I guess it happens. I’m bowing out of this conversation that I’ve clearly gotten nothing out of. Not one interesting point you’ve made. Just a bunch of whining. Ive never paid attention to you before. I’d imagine this is your schtick. Maybe you’re new. If so, maybe you’ll figure it out. Better luck on your next set of posts.

It will be ok, my little butterfly.

Go tell your mother all about it
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Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:49 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:35 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
Shoeless Joe knew the game and by all accounts he was an idiot.
To answer your question. Pujols made a baseball mistake everytime he ran the bases. He touched the bags with his left foot making the path around the bases longer. I learned that in little league.
Pujols was a great base runner. Seldom out on the bases and took extra ones often. Nobody cares what you did in Little League.
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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icon wrote: 20 Feb 2026 22:45 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 17:00 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:49 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:35 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
Shoeless Joe knew the game and by all accounts he was an idiot.
To answer your question. Pujols made a baseball mistake everytime he ran the bases. He touched the bags with his left foot making the path around the bases longer. I learned that in little league.
Pujols was a great base runner. Seldom out on the bases and took extra ones often. Nobody cares what you did in Little League.
lol +1
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 17:53 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 17:00 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:49 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:35 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
Shoeless Joe knew the game and by all accounts he was an idiot.
To answer your question. Pujols made a baseball mistake everytime he ran the bases. He touched the bags with his left foot making the path around the bases longer. I learned that in little league.

Didn’t seem to affect him at all. I’ll take his baseball intellect over your little league coach
It does affect you if you ever get thrown out by inches.
I learned in little league, not by coach, but reading MLB articles.
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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icon wrote: 20 Feb 2026 22:45 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 17:00 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:49 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:35 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
Shoeless Joe knew the game and by all accounts he was an idiot.
To answer your question. Pujols made a baseball mistake everytime he ran the bases. He touched the bags with his left foot making the path around the bases longer. I learned that in little league.
Pujols was a great base runner. Seldom out on the bases and took extra ones often. Nobody cares what you did in Little League.
I didn’t say you cared. It would be really weird if you cared. Who cares what the proper way to run the bases is? Doesn’t matter. It’s Marmol’s fault if they get thrown out.
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 23:14 pm
icon wrote: 20 Feb 2026 22:45 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 17:00 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:49 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:35 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
Shoeless Joe knew the game and by all accounts he was an idiot.
To answer your question. Pujols made a baseball mistake everytime he ran the bases. He touched the bags with his left foot making the path around the bases longer. I learned that in little league.
Pujols was a great base runner. Seldom out on the bases and took extra ones often. Nobody cares what you did in Little League.
lol +1
Nobody cares what the proper way to run the bases is?
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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Cardinals1964 wrote: 21 Feb 2026 00:08 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 23:14 pm
icon wrote: 20 Feb 2026 22:45 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 17:00 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:49 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:35 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
Shoeless Joe knew the game and by all accounts he was an idiot.
To answer your question. Pujols made a baseball mistake everytime he ran the bases. He touched the bags with his left foot making the path around the bases longer. I learned that in little league.
Pujols was a great base runner. Seldom out on the bases and took extra ones often. Nobody cares what you did in Little League.
lol +1
Nobody cares what the proper way to run the bases is?
I’ve seen multiple videos where he touches with his right foot
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 21 Feb 2026 00:13 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 21 Feb 2026 00:08 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 23:14 pm
icon wrote: 20 Feb 2026 22:45 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 17:00 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:49 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:35 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:52 am For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.
That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
Shoeless Joe knew the game and by all accounts he was an idiot.
To answer your question. Pujols made a baseball mistake everytime he ran the bases. He touched the bags with his left foot making the path around the bases longer. I learned that in little league.
Pujols was a great base runner. Seldom out on the bases and took extra ones often. Nobody cares what you did in Little League.
lol +1
Nobody cares what the proper way to run the bases is?
I’ve seen multiple videos where he touches with his right foot
And I have watched multiple videos of him, touching it with his left. So he’s perfect some of the time.
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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Cardinals1964 wrote: 21 Feb 2026 00:30 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 21 Feb 2026 00:13 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 21 Feb 2026 00:08 am
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 23:14 pm
icon wrote: 20 Feb 2026 22:45 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 17:00 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:49 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 16:35 pm
Banner29 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 07:22 am
woofy25 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 06:16 am
Cardinals1964 wrote: 20 Feb 2026 01:48 am
ramfandan wrote: 20 Feb 2026 00:59 am

That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.
I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
Shoeless Joe knew the game and by all accounts he was an idiot.
To answer your question. Pujols made a baseball mistake everytime he ran the bases. He touched the bags with his left foot making the path around the bases longer. I learned that in little league.
Pujols was a great base runner. Seldom out on the bases and took extra ones often. Nobody cares what you did in Little League.
lol +1
Nobody cares what the proper way to run the bases is?
I’ve seen multiple videos where he touches with his right foot
And I have watched multiple videos of him, touching it with his left. So he’s perfect some of the time.

But you said he did it wrong every time he ran the bases.

So since you can’t even get your accusations straight we can go ahead and throw out your little league experience and comfortably say you don’t know what you’re talking about
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Re: If Marmol is that bad…..

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I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?
No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda
What qualifies Pujols and Molina to be managers? I would love to see Molina as the manager. I think he will be the next manager. But, what do we have to go off of that he would be a good manager? How many more games would Molina win over Marmol?

Joe Madden was horrible with the Angels. So that proves that not even somebody considered to be a great manager is going to make a bad team good.

What has Jason Varitek done?

In the case of Yadi and Pujols tell me everytime you can remember the 2 combined in their entire careers where they made an unintelligent head scratching baseball decision on the field and I will bet you wouldn’t even be able to get all your fingers up on one hand

Aside from being elite repents they were also absurdly intelligent and just new the game in and out.

I’m not saying that transpires into being a good manager. After all Matheny was a smart baseball player too and we saw how that turned out. But I genuinely believe the people against it are just looking at it as “you guys just want them because they are Cardinal legends” and not taking into count that the 2 knew the game perhaps better than any player we have ever seen

That’s not a bad quality to have in a manager, which is a tough sell for those that only believe managers should manage from their iPad anymore
Shoeless Joe knew the game and by all accounts he was an idiot.
To answer your question. Pujols made a baseball mistake everytime he ran the bases. He touched the bags with his left foot making the path around the bases longer. I learned that in little league.
Pujols was a great base runner. Seldom out on the bases and took extra ones often. Nobody cares what you did in Little League.
lol +1
Nobody cares what the proper way to run the bases is?
I’ve seen multiple videos where he touches with his right foot
And I have watched multiple videos of him, touching it with his left. So he’s perfect some of the time.

But you said he did it wrong every time he ran the bases.

So since you can’t even get your accusations straight we can go ahead and throw out your little league experience and comfortably say you don’t know what you’re talking about
You said he never made a mistake.
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