If Marmol is that bad…..

[Cardinals1964]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

[ramfandan]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.

[Cardinals1964]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.

I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?

[woofy25]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.

I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?

No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

[Jeff Goldblum]

People on here name names all of the time. What are you guys smoking?

[earp]

HE IS !

[Banner29]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.

I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?

No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda

[Talkin' Baseball]

Of all the different types of posts on Cards Talk, the Oli posts are the hardest to read.

First- It doesn't matter what you think about Oli, Bloom seems to like him. He's staying. You can continue to rage against the wind if you like.

Second- There are only 30 major league managerial jobs and it would be no problem getting someone to come here IF they wanted another manager. No problem at all.

Third- Joe Maddon? What the heck? Joe isn't managing in MLB ever again. He is yesterdays way.

[Dazepster]

Joe Girardi.

He held players accountable. We need a lot of that.

Sadly, those days are gone. Teams seek controllable cheerleaders to implement GeekBall.

[rockondlouie]

My #1 has always been K. Cash (but they'd have to trade for him and the Rays may not even let him out of his contract).

Since that's a long shot I'd rather give Albert a shot, Yadi if Albert isn't available (Angels service contract?).

[Talkin' Baseball]

My #1 has always been K. Cash (but they'd have to trade for him and the Rays may not even let him out of his contract).

Since that's a long shot I'd rather give Albert a shot, Yadi if Albert isn't available (Angels service contract?).

Be careful not to hire someone you can't fire.

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My #1 has always been K. Cash (but they'd have to trade for him and the Rays may not even let him out of his contract).

Since that's a long shot I'd rather give Albert a shot, Yadi if Albert isn't available (Angels service contract?).

Be careful not to hire someone you can't fire.

Apparently, that is the problem right now.

[woofy25]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.

I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?

No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda

Oh, Pujols and Molina. There is literally no evidence those guys would be better. If you want the change b/c they're a name that will draw interest from the fanbase, then fine.

Why would Varitek be better? Maybe he would be, but he's the "Player Information Coach" or "Game Planning Coordinator" with the Red Sox. By what measure would you base an argument that he would be a successful Manager? What are his coaching accomplishments that make you want him? And Joe Maddon? He's 72 and let a potential dynasty with the Cubs die on his watch, after 2016. He hasn't been a successful Manager for almost a decade. This cannot be a serious recommendation.

Seems to me that people are throwing nonsense at the wall.

I'd be fine with Pujols or Yadi, but by no means would I assume they would magically be better at managing games or the team as a whole. It would certainly be intriguing, and having one of their names in every Cardinals article and constantly talked about on local radio would be a boost to fan interest. A move like that certainly wouldn't have any basis in actual managerial skill.

[smilinjoefission]

Cards need someone outside the organization...been saying that since Shildt was hired.

[Banner29]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.

I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?

No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda

Oh, Pujols and Molina. There is literally no evidence those guys would be better. If you want the change b/c they're a name that will draw interest from the fanbase, then fine.

Why would Varitek be better? Maybe he would be, but he's the "Player Information Coach" or "Game Planning Coordinator" with the Red Sox. By what measure would you base an argument that he would be a successful Manager? What are his coaching accomplishments that make you want him? And Joe Maddon? He's 72 and let a potential dynasty with the Cubs die on his watch, after 2016. He hasn't been a successful Manager for almost a decade. This cannot be a serious recommendation.

Seems to me that people are throwing nonsense at the wall.

I'd be fine with Pujols or Yadi, but by no means would I assume they would magically be better at managing games or the team as a whole. It would certainly be intriguing, and having one of their names in every Cardinals article and constantly talked about on local radio would be a boost to fan interest. A move like that certainly wouldn't have any basis in actual managerial skill.

You’re all over the place here…….

You go from “nobody will name names” to “well those names are stupid” when names are named

Then you go to “theres zero evidence proving they will be better than Oli” while providing zero evidence proving oli will be better than them

And THEN you go from calling hiring Yadi or Albert nonsense to saying “I’d be fine with Pujols or Yadi”

Pick a lane, sweetheart

[sdaltons]

What a silly premise. The manager is bad AND ALSO the team is bad. We shouldn't have to put up with one because there's nothing we can do about the other. We want improvements in all areas.