If Marmol is that bad…..

[Strummer Jones]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )

OLI MARMOL IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER EVER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

See that? That's you.

[Cardinals4Life]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )

OLI MARMOL IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER EVER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

See that? That's you.

Pretty much how I feel. A little over the top, but close.

He sucks. PERIOD. I've provided lots of reasons why in numerous other threads. He probably isnt the worst in the history of the game, but we are the Cardinals and we deserve a much better manager than Oliver Marmol. He isn't up to the standard.

[45s]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )

OLI MARMOL IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER EVER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

See that? That's you.

Pretty much how I feel. A little over the top, but close.

He sucks. PERIOD. I've provided lots of reasons why in numerous other threads. He probably isnt the worst in the history of the game, but we are the Cardinals and we deserve a much better manager than Oliver Marmol. He isn't up to the standard.

I think I’m going to hurl…

[Talkin' Baseball]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )

OLI MARMOL IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER EVER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

See that? That's you.

Pretty much how I feel. A little over the top, but close.

He sucks. PERIOD. I've provided lots of reasons why in numerous other threads. He probably isnt the worst in the history of the game, but we are the Cardinals and we deserve a much better manager than Oliver Marmol. He isn't up to the standard.

I think I’m going to hurl…

A team can never have enough hurlers...

[Strummer Jones]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )

OLI MARMOL IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER EVER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

See that? That's you.

Pretty much how I feel. A little over the top, but close.

He sucks. PERIOD. I've provided lots of reasons why in numerous other threads. He probably isnt the worst in the history of the game, but we are the Cardinals and we deserve a much better manager than Oliver Marmol. He isn't up to the standard.

So, maybe, just maybe you were more than a little full of bull. And no, that wasn't over the top. That was what you said in so many words.

[45s]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )

OLI MARMOL IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER EVER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

See that? That's you.

Pretty much how I feel. A little over the top, but close.

He sucks. PERIOD. I've provided lots of reasons why in numerous other threads. He probably isnt the worst in the history of the game, but we are the Cardinals and we deserve a much better manager than Oliver Marmol. He isn't up to the standard.

I think I’m going to hurl…

A team can never have enough hurlers...

That’s clever and funny…

Nicely done..

[ilcubuffs]

Suggestions for manager have been given ad nauseum. Those who cite lack of names have not been paying attention.

Just as the prime reason Marmot is NOT a fit for Cardinal manager is simple: supposedly a great teacher and yet younger players have NOT progressed but are still counted on. Burleson cannot be counted on defensively nor run the bases. Herrera same. Walker & Gorman - same but additionally cannot hit. etc etc etc.

Ausmus - Yanks
Cash - TB
Acta - Mariners
E Martinez - Mariners
Mattingly - Phils
Lehmann - Dodgers
Prior - Dodgers.

"Those who can, do; those who can't, teach," - GB Shaw. Evidently those who can't teach become Cardinal managers.

[Cardinals4Life]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )

OLI MARMOL IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER EVER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

See that? That's you.

Pretty much how I feel. A little over the top, but close.

He sucks. PERIOD. I've provided lots of reasons why in numerous other threads. He probably isnt the worst in the history of the game, but we are the Cardinals and we deserve a much better manager than Oliver Marmol. He isn't up to the standard.

I think I’m going to hurl…

Good! How I feel most times while watching Marmol manage!

[Cardinals4Life]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )

OLI MARMOL IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER EVER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

See that? That's you.

Pretty much how I feel. A little over the top, but close.

He sucks. PERIOD. I've provided lots of reasons why in numerous other threads. He probably isnt the worst in the history of the game, but we are the Cardinals and we deserve a much better manager than Oliver Marmol. He isn't up to the standard.

So, maybe, just maybe you were more than a little full of bull. And no, that wasn't over the top. That was what you said in so many words.

Full of bull? Nope. I said "almost any former MLB manager". I stand by that. Sure there are oame exceptions, but I'd take most over Marmol.

[45s]

Suggestions for manager have been given ad nauseum. Those who cite lack of names have not been paying attention.

Just as the prime reason Marmot is NOT a fit for Cardinal manager is simple: supposedly a great teacher and yet younger players have NOT progressed but are still counted on. Burleson cannot be counted on defensively nor run the bases. Herrera same. Walker & Gorman - same but additionally cannot hit. etc etc etc.

Ausmus - Yanks
Cash - TB
Acta - Mariners
E Martinez - Mariners
Mattingly - Phils
Lehmann - Dodgers
Prior - Dodgers.

"Those who can, do; those who can't, teach," - GB Shaw. Evidently those who can't teach become Cardinal managers.

Good observations……but

How does a player get out of the minor leagues without basic fundamentals?

A major league manager should not have to teach those

This speaks to just how deep the failures run in the cards organization..

[45s]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )

OLI MARMOL IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER EVER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

See that? That's you.

Pretty much how I feel. A little over the top, but close.

He sucks. PERIOD. I've provided lots of reasons why in numerous other threads. He probably isnt the worst in the history of the game, but we are the Cardinals and we deserve a much better manager than Oliver Marmol. He isn't up to the standard.

I think I’m going to hurl…

Good! How I feel most times while watching Marmol manage!

I have some pepto ready now..

..give us that “we are the Cardinals” line again…

[Strummer Jones]

Suggestions for manager have been given ad nauseum. Those who cite lack of names have not been paying attention.

Just as the prime reason Marmot is NOT a fit for Cardinal manager is simple: supposedly a great teacher and yet younger players have NOT progressed but are still counted on. Burleson cannot be counted on defensively nor run the bases. Herrera same. Walker & Gorman - same but additionally cannot hit. etc etc etc.

Ausmus - Yanks
Cash - TB
Acta - Mariners
E Martinez - Mariners
Mattingly - Phils
Lehmann - Dodgers
Prior - Dodgers.

"Those who can, do; those who can't, teach," - GB Shaw. Evidently those who can't teach become Cardinal managers.

Brad Ausmus: Has lost more games than he's won. .478 winning percentage.
Manny Acta: See above. Except worse. .418 winning percentage.
Cash: I'll give you that one. Wins more than he loses and manages a continuously churning team with a payroll smaller than large school districts. But Tampa ain't letting him walk. Nor should they. Fantastic manager.
Martinez: No managerial experience. Seems to be more of an analytics hitting front-office guy. Has already turned down coaching roles to spend more time with family.
Lehmann: Never heard of this guy. But a quick wikipedia search...and this dude's career looks real similar to Marmol's. Drafted, never made the show. Started to work with guys in the minors. And is now LA's bench coach. Either way, no managerial experience. Even Marmol had managed in the minors at least.
Mattingly: Losing record as a manager--.483. Also hasn't managed in four years.
Prior: No managerial experience. Has been a pitching coach in LA for a few years.

[Cardinals4Life]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )

OLI MARMOL IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER EVER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

See that? That's you.

Pretty much how I feel. A little over the top, but close.

He sucks. PERIOD. I've provided lots of reasons why in numerous other threads. He probably isnt the worst in the history of the game, but we are the Cardinals and we deserve a much better manager than Oliver Marmol. He isn't up to the standard.

I think I’m going to hurl…

Good! How I feel most times while watching Marmol manage!

I have some pepto ready now..

..give us that “we are the Cardinals” line again…

Sure, here ya go, guy!

The St. Louis Cardinals are one of the most storied franchises in MLB history. We deserve better than having Oliver Marmol at the helm.

[JuanAgosto]

I think he has sucked in the leadership role. They gave him an undeserved extension because they didn't want him to feel pressure. They signed old veterans to lead the clubhouse because he had proven incapable. Thats a manager's main role. The fundamentals have deteriorated since Shildt left. The games are now mostly pre-scripted by analytics. So what exactly has this pud done?

[Strummer Jones]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )

OLI MARMOL IS THE WORST MANAGER EVER EVER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN.

See that? That's you.

Pretty much how I feel. A little over the top, but close.

He sucks. PERIOD. I've provided lots of reasons why in numerous other threads. He probably isnt the worst in the history of the game, but we are the Cardinals and we deserve a much better manager than Oliver Marmol. He isn't up to the standard.

So, maybe, just maybe you were more than a little full of bull. And no, that wasn't over the top. That was what you said in so many words.

Full of bull? Nope. I said "almost any former MLB manager". I stand by that. Sure there are oame exceptions, but I'd take most over Marmol.

Alright, I'll keep playing your game. Let's break it down.

Yadi, Albert, Vitello, Beltran: No MLB (or MILB) managing experience.
Patrick Anderson: No MLB managing experience. And you provide zero reason for why you think he's better than Marmol. Last year was only the second time in four seasons that he had a team above .500 in our system. In 5 MILB seasons, Marmol only had one losing season.

Any of the 29 other managers? Even the guys who did worse than us last year? Whatever Bozos they've got running Minnesota, White Sox, Pittsburgh, Washington, Colorado? What about the guy who manages the Mets? All that money and all that talent to get frog marched out of the play-offs.

And your INCREDIBLY lame "Almost any other former manager" or "there are certainly more."

And wait! There's more!

According to MLB.com, the team's expected record last season was 74-88. Our actual record was 78-84. But let me guess, the players were winning in spite of Marmol, right?

The year before that, again courtesy of MLB.com, our expected record was 76-86. And we ended up at 83-79.
The year before that, 71-91, which is what we finished at.
And in Marmol's first year, we were 93-69, which was a smidge under our expected W-L record at 95-67. The horror! Still seven games up on Milwaukee for in second place. A team that overachieved by one win.

But please, tell me about how this team sucks because of Marmol.

[Basil Shabazz]

Short answer, yes.

Mainly due to leadership and culture.