If Marmol is that bad…..

[Hoosier59]

Albert and Yadi are both students of the game! They know baseball and how it should be played. Both are highly respected by everyone in baseball. I think either one would be a vast improvement over Marmol. Would either one win that many more games with the current roster? I’d say 5-10 games! Neither would allow for the same mistakes to keep being made. Both would be more imaginative in ways of scoring runs besides the home run. Players would be held more accountable, and loses less acceptable!
I agree that this season isn’t the year to bring them in, as I don’t think either one wants it yet, but after that, then yes!

[OldRed]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

Better yet, if he was fired, who would hire him?

[Strummer Jones]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.

I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?

No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda

If you made a venn diagram of posters who hate Oli "because he isn't experienced" and folks who want Molina or Pujols...which are the only names I've seen thrown around here...it would be a circle. And nobody sees the irony of it. Maybe Albert and Yadier will be good managers. Maybe not. I don't think it's a coincidence that neither were able to get a MLB managing job this offseason. So it's not just us.

Schu got thrown around some, I'll grant you that. Maddon hasn't managed in a few seasons now and is getting up there in years and certainly wouldn't want to take over a team in an in-between period. And I've never seen Varitek's name brought up here. Ever.

Look, if we get the team back on track player-wise, and still Marmol ain't cutting it? Be my guest. Bring in a new guy. But there's no manager alive or dead who turns the team as presently constructed into a team that's going to win the last game of the season. Not Molina or Pujols. Not Schumacker. Not Maddon. Not Whitey or Tony or Red or Stengel or Weaver.

You can cry until you're blue in the face about going out and getting guys, but that's not this team's direction right now. They're focusing on developing from within, and no matter how the upcoming labor war shakes out, it's the right decision. It is very possible to build a contending team using that method. Seattle came within a hair of getting to the final dance with a roster largely made up of guys who they developed, or with guys they traded for using guys they developed. A lot of the big names that got Toronto to the series were homegrown guys. Bichette, Yesavage, Gurrero, Barger, Kirk....

[The Nard]

It’s been said that a team can win 60 and lose 60 games, regardless of who the manager is.
Of the other 40 gams, I’d expect a “good” in-game manager to be worth another 4-5 wins

[11WSChamps]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.

I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?

No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda

Not purposely ignorant just ignorant.

For some its not the wins and losses as much as it is how they lose a lot of games and the cavalier attitude of acceptance of losing.

Those two items have to change and it starts with the manager.

[Cusecards]

I’ve posted many times that I believe that Oli is a below average manager.
But....since I have no inside info or contact within the dugout/clubhouse that is based solely on:
*His in-game managing based on watching on TV.
*His public interviews/comments.
*Various media reports.

In fairness to him he may be extremely well liked/respected and have a great clubhouse presence.
It is also a fair point that replacing him should be based on hiring someone BETTER not just dumping him to make a change.
With all the new moves taking place with Bloom I would not have expected a Manager move prior to 2026.
I guess he’ll be on the clock as will numerous players??

[rockondlouie]

My #1 has always been K. Cash (but they'd have to trade for him and the Rays may not even let him out of his contract).

Since that's a long shot I'd rather give Albert a shot, Yadi if Albert isn't available (Angels service contract?).

Be careful not to hire someone you can't fire.

Anyone can be fired, even franchise icons like Albert or Yadi.

[Banner29]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.

I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?

No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state
B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager
C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs
D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm
E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Pujols, Molina, Varitek, and even Joe Maddon are names on here that have been discussed EXTENSIVELY as replacements for the little Oompa Loompa. Schumakers name was brought up nearly every day before he got the job in Texas. Those are just a few guys to plenty of names posters have brought up.

The 3 of you are either oblivious to what goes on around here or just being purposely ignorant to it to better suit an agenda

If you made a venn diagram of posters who hate Oli "because he isn't experienced" and folks who want Molina or Pujols...which are the only names I've seen thrown around here...it would be a circle. And nobody sees the irony of it. Maybe Albert and Yadier will be good managers. Maybe not. I don't think it's a coincidence that neither were able to get a MLB managing job this offseason. So it's not just us.

Schu got thrown around some, I'll grant you that. Maddon hasn't managed in a few seasons now and is getting up there in years and certainly wouldn't want to take over a team in an in-between period. And I've never seen Varitek's name brought up here. Ever.

Look, if we get the team back on track player-wise, and still Marmol ain't cutting it? Be my guest. Bring in a new guy. But there's no manager alive or dead who turns the team as presently constructed into a team that's going to win the last game of the season. Not Molina or Pujols. Not Schumacker. Not Maddon. Not Whitey or Tony or Red or Stengel or Weaver.

You can cry until you're blue in the face about going out and getting guys, but that's not this team's direction right now. They're focusing on developing from within, and no matter how the upcoming labor war shakes out, it's the right decision. It is very possible to build a contending team using that method. Seattle came within a hair of getting to the final dance with a roster largely made up of guys who they developed, or with guys they traded for using guys they developed. A lot of the big names that got Toronto to the series were homegrown guys. Bichette, Yesavage, Gurrero, Barger, Kirk....

Again. The argument here is that nobody has named names. Which I have proven to be a non factual statement driven off irrational emotion.

I’m not debating whether the names are good or bad. Just that they have been mentioned. Which makes OP and the other 2 posters uninformed/incorrect/dishonest. I simply threw out the most popular names that I could remember off the top of my head but certainly not the only ones.

[45s]

Cards need someone outside the organization...been saying that since Shildt was hired.

Heresy!!

[Cardinals4Life]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

[Strummer Jones]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

[Cardinals4Life]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

That's been the longstanding issue on CT. Some want Oli dumped but never have a short list of replacements . When someone is considered, that manager would look at the 2026 roster and say Wow ! Am I going to turn things around with those kids playing ? I might be in a retirement home by that time.

I don’t disagree. I would just like those that don’t like Oliver to tell me who they would like and how many games that manager would make a difference in the standings.
I don’t love Oliver and I don’t hate him. I don’t think the manager makes that much difference. LaRussa had some horrible seasons. Should he have been replaced?
This also applies to players like Nolan Gorman. You don’t like them, who should take his place? People hate Walker, who should take his place?

No one will give names. They’ll play the I’m not the POBO card, yet they take no issue with calling for firings. They don’t see the irony.
A. There is no manager worth anything that is taking the job with the cardinals in their current state

Sure there is. It's still the St. Louis Cardinals[, a storied baseball franchise. Also, there are only 30 MLB jobs. People would be lining up for interviews./b]

B. Oli isn’t nearly as bad as some think. They see bad record and have no choice but to say bad manager

No, he is bad. He consistently doesn't put his players in positions to be successful. He does not know how to set a proper lineup. He has zero in-game "feel". None. He is a drag on this organization.

C. No manager of the ‘23-‘25 rosters get the cardinals in the playoffs

Perhaps not, but doesn't really change the fact that he isn't good.

D. The last two seasons, the cardinals have won more games than their statistics indicate they should have won. Hmmm

So the measurement of how good a manager is, is that they won more than some arbitrary preseason prediction #. Wow.

E. The overwhelming majority of the time, a bad roster equals bad results, regardless of the manager.

Don't disagree with this. However, he provides nothing positive for the team.

[Cardinals4Life]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

[Strummer Jones]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

[Cardinals4Life]

My #1 has always been K. Cash (but they'd have to trade for him and the Rays may not even let him out of his contract).

Since that's a long shot I'd rather give Albert a shot, Yadi if Albert isn't available (Angels service contract?).

Be careful not to hire someone you can't fire.

Apparently, that is the problem right now.

Hahahahaha

[Cardinals4Life]

For those that think Marmol is that bad. That Marmol is the difference between a 70-92 team and a 92-70 team, who would you like him replaced with? Names. We need names.

1.) Never said he was the difference in those 2 records you posted, but he is BAD and consistently contributes to the L column. He probably loses more than he wins. Thsts a net negative.

Names?
Let's s start here:
Mike Schildt - Never should have been replaced by Marmol. Ridiculous.

Yadi
Albert
Tony Vitello
Carlos Beltran
Skip Shumaker
Patrick Anderson - yeah, I think our AA manager is better than Marmol.
-Any of the other 29 MLB managers.
-Almost any former MLB manager.
-There are certainly more.

This is childish and you know it. Grow up.

Childish? I answered the guy's question with names. And those that aren't specific names are 100% true. I stand by them.

It very much reads like a note a child writes to their parent after they made them eat vegetables and who they would rather have as parents. Stand by it if you like, but it's still childish.

Sorry you feel thay way about it, Mrs. Marmol!

(OK, now that was a little childish! )