Oli & Chaim may not see eye to eye on right handed bat

[scoutyjones2]

Apparently Oli doesn't think the Cardinals need a right handed outfielder veteran providing leadership while Chaim has publicly stated he is seeking a player for that role.

More details in this article of Oli's feeling on that topic.

https://redbirdrants.com/oli-marmol-has ... nals-goals

That's one tainted view of what you posted...

I sure as hell don't see Grichsuck or Cutch being needed. And I appreciate that Oli gave props to a collective leadership ooit of the players and touted Winn.

Tommy freaking Pham!

Your agenda is quite obvious. Goo for you.

[rockondlouie]

Proving once again what an idiot Oli is and just another reason why this clown has to go no later than the end of the 2027 season.

OF COURSE the Cardinals could use a veteran, RHH'er ala A. McCutcheon.

Next up, another Bernie column telling us what a genius Oli is while he defends this stupid comment.

[rockondlouie]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

[ScotchMIrish]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

True and it appears we are about to make it 3 for 4.

[scoutyjones2]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

[rockondlouie]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

And he choked in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Who'd have guessed

[rockondlouie]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

True and it appears we are about to make it 3 for 4.

But at least Bernie thinks he's a managerial genius

[scoutyjones2]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

And he choked in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Who'd have guessed

I thought Helsley choked. Along with Nado and Goldy

[rockondlouie]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

And he choked in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Who'd have guessed

I thought Helsley choked. Along with Nado and Goldy

Oli stood there like a deer caught in the headlights watching helplessly as Helsely melted down.

Last I looked it's the Manager's job to see this and make a change before he cost his team a playoff game.

But keep cheerleading for Oli.

[Cardinals4Life]

Apparently Oli doesn't think the Cardinals need a right handed outfielder veteran providing leadership while Chaim has publicly stated he is seeking a player for that role.

More details in this article of Oli's feeling on that topic.

https://redbirdrants.com/oli-marmol-has ... nals-goals

It sounds like to me he does not think they need veteran leadership. I don’t see where is opposed to adding a right handed bat. If he is that would surprise me due to the way he does his line ups (left, right, left, right). Of course the Oli haters will say he just does not want to add a veteran that knows more than he does.

Most people know more than he does. I could throw a dart out the window and hit someone who knows more than him.

I’m a little surprised at your negativity. Honestly I don’t know how to evaluate him. Line up shuffling and some of the bull pen usage seems a little questionable but to his credit he has not been given a decent roster. Frankly I’m ok if they extend him a year or two. That’s not to say they can’t fire him at a cost. But I think it solidifies for the players his role going forward. Yea I know getting Dewitt to eat his contract is a challenge.

Curious who you would replace him with?

It might be negativity, but it is absolutely fact. The guy does not know how to manage a baseball game, or baseball team for that matter.

Where to start?
-Horrendous daily lineups.
-Hitting tablesetters in the MOTO and using MOTO bats as tablesetters.
-No in-game "feel".
-Resting guys like we are playing in the minor leagues.
-Killing hot streaks of players
-Terrible BP usage
-Terrible usage of starters
-Leaving starters in too long at times and pulling others way too soon.
-Calling out players publicly (O'Neill, Contreras, Walker, etc.)
-No real development/improvement of young guys.
-Jerking players around (bullpen-starter-bullpen, etc.)
-Zero creativity in trying to produce runs.
-Lack of a running game.
-Bungling of 1st and only playoff series.
-2 losing seasons
-Smug, arrogant attitude

These are some that immediately come to mind. Im sure there are many more. He is simply inept. Was never qualified for this position and clearly is one of the worst big-league managers in the league. Perhaps his biggest weakness is that he does not put players in positions to succeed, which is the #1 job of a manager.

[Carp4Cy]

Honestly, they were never going to win a World Series with Gray, WC, and a declining Arenado.

They needed to get rid of those contracts, get something in return, and get younger. For too long this organization has been trying to win the Wild Card with 85 wins.

I couldn't be happier right now. This should have happened the same off season they signed Lynn and Gibson.

The problem is that Oli and his coaching staff are still here, and so are Gorman and Walker. That's not an optimistic combo at all.

Suppose we had stopped signing any veterans after 2023, then what? All the existing Vets had NTCs and threatened to exercise them - Nado actually did. And we had zero healthy talent in the minors. And the talent we have brought up has largely gone backwards or stalled out under Oli and co. A couple like I have hope for Winn and JJW, Burlely and Herera are servicable, but a couple others are just bad at hitting, and then Gorman and Walker are lost. Its not enough. And there wasn't a path to get enough from vets with NTCs unless/until they we waited them out for years to convince them to accept trades?

And now that we have traded them all away, the remaining question becomes did we get enough exciting talent to actually move the needle or will this dumping season prove to be another repeat of the 2023 trade deadline where everyone acquired can't stay healthy and we are just "glad" we got the bucket of balls instead of nothing for expiring contracts?

Whether these guys develop into solid producers becomes an exercise in MLB continued development after they matriculate out of the minors. Oli may have "confidence" he's the right guy and they are the right prospects, but he doesn't have a track record of turning anyone into real stars.

[ramfandan]

Right handed bat is over rated.
Ruth. Ted Williams. Gehrig. Ken Griffey Jr. Ty Cobb. Bonds.

Anyone for Stan Musial ? My childhood hero in St. Louis .. Stan the Man

[Carp4Cy]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

And he choked in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Who'd have guessed

Helsley had to pitch in the 8th. Oli pulled Q too early, and it snowballed from there, burning Hicks in the 6th, Gallegos in the 7th. Helsley got his 3 outs but they weren't the last 3 outs, needed 5. Also Oli should have known he was hurt from the week before and setup the 9th better.

Massive rookie manager blunder when a franchise like the STL Cardinals shouldn't be employing rookie managers. There are other places to get experience and make ugly mistakes out of your system and prove yourself. Tony did that with the White Sox before becoming a HOFer with the A's and Cardinals. That's how we should be recruiting top managers.

[scoutyjones2]

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with plenty of veteran leadership.

We had losing seasons 2 of the last 3 seasons with OLI IN THE DUGOUT.

And they won NL Central when he had talent.

Who'd have guessed

And he choked in Game 1 of the playoffs.

Who'd have guessed

I thought Helsley choked. Along with Nado and Goldy

Oli stood there like a deer caught in the headlights watching helplessly as Helsely melted down.

Last I looked it's the Manager's job to see this and make a change before he cost his team a playoff game.

But keep cheerleading for Oli.

It's not cheerleading. Difference of opinion. How many runs did the Cards score? Who else would you have liked to have thrown?

And what did you claim at the time? Or is this more monday morning QB'ing.

[scoutyjones2]

Right handed bat is over rated.
Ruth. Ted Williams. Gehrig. Ken Griffey Jr. Ty Cobb. Bonds.

Hornsby, Foxx, DiMaggio, Aaron, Banks, Mays, Robinson, Clemente, Pujols.

Would be nice to have anyone close to those players.

No. really?

[OldRed]

Right handed bat is over rated.
Ruth. Ted Williams. Gehrig. Ken Griffey Jr. Ty Cobb. Bonds.

Hornsby, Foxx, DiMaggio, Aaron, Banks, Mays, Robinson, Clemente, Pujols.

Would be nice to have anyone close to those players.

No. really?

Are you really that stupid?