Andre Granillo traded to Nationals

[cardstatman]

Granillo parked his car in BDW Jr spot in Jupiter.

That's a no no!

This trade does have a bit of a "get off my lawn" smell to it.

[rockondlouie]

He's another "meh", so it's a "meh" for another "meh" trade.

Yeah, that's basically my thought. I don't think our guy had much future, who knows, maybe I'm wrong. I doubt this guy has much future either, but Bloom and his guys maybe see something there, so I don't see the harm.

Guy was a 14th round draft pick who wasn't impressive in his call up, I agree w/you ronnie he had no future here.

This was just a "meh" player for a "meh" player.

[rockondlouie]

Granillo-heads coming out of the woodwork!!

Granillo did have a 4.71 ERA/1.38 WHiP/7.7 SO9................last guy in the pen' type reliever.

He's another "meh", so it's a "meh" for another "meh" trade.

Rock, that's lazy stat grabbing my friend.

Granillo only pitched in like 14 games and like 21 innings. Hard to use those stats to judge the guy.

Look at Granillo's minor league #'s. 12.2 K/9, which is more than the guy we got. Plus Granillo has closed before and has late inning experience in the minors.
Seems like he was on the uptick.

Disappointed in this trade, at least on its face.

Minor league stats are meaningless if they don't translate to MLB, lazy on your part to site them my friend.

He's a "meh", back of the bench reliever who had his cup of coffee who wasn't going to make the Cardinals opening day roster.

Soriano could be the same guy but he does have better MLB strikeout potential and that's what Bloom is going for, power pitching.

Minor league track records are far more valuable than a 21 inning stint in the majors. That's an very small sample size. Hardly reliable. Granillo has the makeup to be a strong reliever.

The guy we got, from what I can tell so far, is not any better. If he is out of options, he also will lock in a bullpen spot, which I prefer to have flexibility in throughout the season.

No the minor league track record isn't "more valuable" if it's pretty obvious the guy's a AAAA player and his stuff won't play in MLB.

That jump in talent, from facing AAA hitters to facing the best hitters in the world is a quantum leap.

The minor leagues are overpopulated w/players who had great stats there only to be "meh" when they attempt (and fail) to see that success translate to MLB.

But we're in agreement, this appears to be a "meh" player for a "meh" player but I'd rather take the shot on the higher octane guys than the guy w/lesser stuff.

[Cardinals4Life]

Granillo-heads coming out of the woodwork!!

Granillo did have a 4.71 ERA/1.38 WHiP/7.7 SO9................last guy in the pen' type reliever.

He's another "meh", so it's a "meh" for another "meh" trade.

Rock, that's lazy stat grabbing my friend.

Granillo only pitched in like 14 games and like 21 innings. Hard to use those stats to judge the guy.

Look at Granillo's minor league #'s. 12.2 K/9, which is more than the guy we got. Plus Granillo has closed before and has late inning experience in the minors.
Seems like he was on the uptick.

Disappointed in this trade, at least on its face.

Minor league stats are meaningless if they don't translate to MLB, lazy on your part to site them my friend.

He's a "meh", back of the bench reliever who had his cup of coffee who wasn't going to make the Cardinals opening day roster.

Soriano could be the same guy but he does have better MLB strikeout potential and that's what Bloom is going for, power pitching.

Minor league track records are far more valuable than a 21 inning stint in the majors. That's an very small sample size. Hardly reliable. Granillo has the makeup to be a strong reliever.

The guy we got, from what I can tell so far, is not any better. If he is out of options, he also will lock in a bullpen spot, which I prefer to have flexibility in throughout the season.

No the minor league track record isn't "more valuable" if it's pretty obvious the guy's a AAAA player and his stuff won't play in MLB.

That jump in talent, from facing AAA hitters to facing the best hitters in the world is a quantum leap.

The minor leagues are overpopulated w/players who had great stats there only to be "meh" when they attempt (and fail) to see that success translate to MLB.

But we're in agreement, this appears to be a "meh" player for a "meh" player but I'd rather take the shot on the higher octane guys than the guy w/lesser stuff.

I'm not judging him based on 21 big league innings, which by the way weren't bad.

[rockondlouie]

Granillo-heads coming out of the woodwork!!

Granillo did have a 4.71 ERA/1.38 WHiP/7.7 SO9................last guy in the pen' type reliever.

He's another "meh", so it's a "meh" for another "meh" trade.

Rock, that's lazy stat grabbing my friend.

Granillo only pitched in like 14 games and like 21 innings. Hard to use those stats to judge the guy.

Look at Granillo's minor league #'s. 12.2 K/9, which is more than the guy we got. Plus Granillo has closed before and has late inning experience in the minors.
Seems like he was on the uptick.

Disappointed in this trade, at least on its face.

Minor league stats are meaningless if they don't translate to MLB, lazy on your part to site them my friend.

He's a "meh", back of the bench reliever who had his cup of coffee who wasn't going to make the Cardinals opening day roster.

Soriano could be the same guy but he does have better MLB strikeout potential and that's what Bloom is going for, power pitching.

Minor league track records are far more valuable than a 21 inning stint in the majors. That's an very small sample size. Hardly reliable. Granillo has the makeup to be a strong reliever.

The guy we got, from what I can tell so far, is not any better. If he is out of options, he also will lock in a bullpen spot, which I prefer to have flexibility in throughout the season.

No the minor league track record isn't "more valuable" if it's pretty obvious the guy's a AAAA player and his stuff won't play in MLB.

That jump in talent, from facing AAA hitters to facing the best hitters in the world is a quantum leap.

The minor leagues are overpopulated w/players who had great stats there only to be "meh" when they attempt (and fail) to see that success translate to MLB.

But we're in agreement, this appears to be a "meh" player for a "meh" player but I'd rather take the shot on the higher octane guys than the guy w/lesser stuff.

I'm not judging him based on 21 big league innings, which by the way weren't bad.

Weren't good either

These are two "meh" players, why all the fuss over them?

[Cardinals4Life]

Granillo-heads coming out of the woodwork!!

Granillo did have a 4.71 ERA/1.38 WHiP/7.7 SO9................last guy in the pen' type reliever.

He's another "meh", so it's a "meh" for another "meh" trade.

Rock, that's lazy stat grabbing my friend.

Granillo only pitched in like 14 games and like 21 innings. Hard to use those stats to judge the guy.

Look at Granillo's minor league #'s. 12.2 K/9, which is more than the guy we got. Plus Granillo has closed before and has late inning experience in the minors.
Seems like he was on the uptick.

Disappointed in this trade, at least on its face.

Minor league stats are meaningless if they don't translate to MLB, lazy on your part to site them my friend.

He's a "meh", back of the bench reliever who had his cup of coffee who wasn't going to make the Cardinals opening day roster.

Soriano could be the same guy but he does have better MLB strikeout potential and that's what Bloom is going for, power pitching.

Minor league track records are far more valuable than a 21 inning stint in the majors. That's an very small sample size. Hardly reliable. Granillo has the makeup to be a strong reliever.

The guy we got, from what I can tell so far, is not any better. If he is out of options, he also will lock in a bullpen spot, which I prefer to have flexibility in throughout the season.

No the minor league track record isn't "more valuable" if it's pretty obvious the guy's a AAAA player and his stuff won't play in MLB.

That jump in talent, from facing AAA hitters to facing the best hitters in the world is a quantum leap.

The minor leagues are overpopulated w/players who had great stats there only to be "meh" when they attempt (and fail) to see that success translate to MLB.

But we're in agreement, this appears to be a "meh" player for a "meh" player but I'd rather take the shot on the higher octane guys than the guy w/lesser stuff.

I'm not judging him based on 21 big league innings, which by the way weren't bad.

Weren't good either

These are two "meh" players, why all the fuss over them?

I liked Granillo and have liked him through the minors. Always a guy I thought was destined to close one day. Hate that we are giving him away for a guy out of options, who will likely clog up the pen when he can't get outs consistently. Seems odd to me.

Not too much fuss, but just didn't seem to be a prudent move. Hope the new guy is good!!

[rockondlouie]

Granillo-heads coming out of the woodwork!!

Granillo did have a 4.71 ERA/1.38 WHiP/7.7 SO9................last guy in the pen' type reliever.

He's another "meh", so it's a "meh" for another "meh" trade.

Rock, that's lazy stat grabbing my friend.

Granillo only pitched in like 14 games and like 21 innings. Hard to use those stats to judge the guy.

Look at Granillo's minor league #'s. 12.2 K/9, which is more than the guy we got. Plus Granillo has closed before and has late inning experience in the minors.
Seems like he was on the uptick.

Disappointed in this trade, at least on its face.

Minor league stats are meaningless if they don't translate to MLB, lazy on your part to site them my friend.

He's a "meh", back of the bench reliever who had his cup of coffee who wasn't going to make the Cardinals opening day roster.

Soriano could be the same guy but he does have better MLB strikeout potential and that's what Bloom is going for, power pitching.

Minor league track records are far more valuable than a 21 inning stint in the majors. That's an very small sample size. Hardly reliable. Granillo has the makeup to be a strong reliever.

The guy we got, from what I can tell so far, is not any better. If he is out of options, he also will lock in a bullpen spot, which I prefer to have flexibility in throughout the season.

No the minor league track record isn't "more valuable" if it's pretty obvious the guy's a AAAA player and his stuff won't play in MLB.

That jump in talent, from facing AAA hitters to facing the best hitters in the world is a quantum leap.

The minor leagues are overpopulated w/players who had great stats there only to be "meh" when they attempt (and fail) to see that success translate to MLB.

But we're in agreement, this appears to be a "meh" player for a "meh" player but I'd rather take the shot on the higher octane guys than the guy w/lesser stuff.

I'm not judging him based on 21 big league innings, which by the way weren't bad.

Weren't good either

These are two "meh" players, why all the fuss over them?

I liked Granillo and have liked him through the minors. Always a guy I thought was destined to close one day. Hate that we are giving him away for a guy out of options, who will likely clog up the pen when he can't get outs consistently. Seems odd to me.

Not too much fuss, but just didn't seem to be a prudent move. Hope the new guy is good!!

Gitta be honest w/you my friend I never saw him being more than a back of the pen' guy at best, certainly not a Cardinals closer.

To be honest, I don't think he would've been on the OD roster.

But as always respect your opinions.

[riff raff]

On face value it doesn't look like a good trade.
Is this a Bloom pixie dust move or is it a blunder?
A Bloom'der if you will.

[stlbirdlover]

I don't like this trade at all!

[Cardinals1964]

I don't like this trade at all!

Why?

[Cardinals1964]

On face value it doesn't look like a good trade.
Is this a Bloom pixie dust move or is it a blunder?
A Bloom'der if you will.

Why is it a bad trade?

[Cardinals1964]

Granillo-heads coming out of the woodwork!!

Granillo did have a 4.71 ERA/1.38 WHiP/7.7 SO9................last guy in the pen' type reliever.

He's another "meh", so it's a "meh" for another "meh" trade.

Rock, that's lazy stat grabbing my friend.

Granillo only pitched in like 14 games and like 21 innings. Hard to use those stats to judge the guy.

Look at Granillo's minor league #'s. 12.2 K/9, which is more than the guy we got. Plus Granillo has closed before and has late inning experience in the minors.
Seems like he was on the uptick.

Disappointed in this trade, at least on its face.

Minor league stats are meaningless if they don't translate to MLB, lazy on your part to site them my friend.

He's a "meh", back of the bench reliever who had his cup of coffee who wasn't going to make the Cardinals opening day roster.

Soriano could be the same guy but he does have better MLB strikeout potential and that's what Bloom is going for, power pitching.

Minor league track records are far more valuable than a 21 inning stint in the majors. That's an very small sample size. Hardly reliable. Granillo has the makeup to be a strong reliever.

The guy we got, from what I can tell so far, is not any better. If he is out of options, he also will lock in a bullpen spot, which I prefer to have flexibility in throughout the season.

No the minor league track record isn't "more valuable" if it's pretty obvious the guy's a AAAA player and his stuff won't play in MLB.

That jump in talent, from facing AAA hitters to facing the best hitters in the world is a quantum leap.

The minor leagues are overpopulated w/players who had great stats there only to be "meh" when they attempt (and fail) to see that success translate to MLB.

But we're in agreement, this appears to be a "meh" player for a "meh" player but I'd rather take the shot on the higher octane guys than the guy w/lesser stuff.

I'm not judging him based on 21 big league innings, which by the way weren't bad.

Weren't good either

These are two "meh" players, why all the fuss over them?

I liked Granillo and have liked him through the minors. Always a guy I thought was destined to close one day. Hate that we are giving him away for a guy out of options, who will likely clog up the pen when he can't get outs consistently. Seems odd to me.

Not too much fuss, but just didn't seem to be a prudent move. Hope the new guy is good!!

What made you think he’d be a closer?

[Cardinals4Life]

Granillo-heads coming out of the woodwork!!

Granillo did have a 4.71 ERA/1.38 WHiP/7.7 SO9................last guy in the pen' type reliever.

He's another "meh", so it's a "meh" for another "meh" trade.

Rock, that's lazy stat grabbing my friend.

Granillo only pitched in like 14 games and like 21 innings. Hard to use those stats to judge the guy.

Look at Granillo's minor league #'s. 12.2 K/9, which is more than the guy we got. Plus Granillo has closed before and has late inning experience in the minors.
Seems like he was on the uptick.

Disappointed in this trade, at least on its face.

Minor league stats are meaningless if they don't translate to MLB, lazy on your part to site them my friend.

He's a "meh", back of the bench reliever who had his cup of coffee who wasn't going to make the Cardinals opening day roster.

Soriano could be the same guy but he does have better MLB strikeout potential and that's what Bloom is going for, power pitching.

Minor league track records are far more valuable than a 21 inning stint in the majors. That's an very small sample size. Hardly reliable. Granillo has the makeup to be a strong reliever.

The guy we got, from what I can tell so far, is not any better. If he is out of options, he also will lock in a bullpen spot, which I prefer to have flexibility in throughout the season.

No the minor league track record isn't "more valuable" if it's pretty obvious the guy's a AAAA player and his stuff won't play in MLB.

That jump in talent, from facing AAA hitters to facing the best hitters in the world is a quantum leap.

The minor leagues are overpopulated w/players who had great stats there only to be "meh" when they attempt (and fail) to see that success translate to MLB.

But we're in agreement, this appears to be a "meh" player for a "meh" player but I'd rather take the shot on the higher octane guys than the guy w/lesser stuff.

I'm not judging him based on 21 big league innings, which by the way weren't bad.

Weren't good either

These are two "meh" players, why all the fuss over them?

I liked Granillo and have liked him through the minors. Always a guy I thought was destined to close one day. Hate that we are giving him away for a guy out of options, who will likely clog up the pen when he can't get outs consistently. Seems odd to me.

Not too much fuss, but just didn't seem to be a prudent move. Hope the new guy is good!!

What made you think he’d be a closer?

He closed games in Springfield and Memphis.

[Clubmaker2]

Granillo parked his car in BDW Jr spot in Jupiter.

That's a no no!

This trade does have a bit of a "get off my lawn" smell to it.

yea, traded for reasons unstated is also possible.

[riff raff]

On face value it doesn't look like a good trade.
Is this a Bloom pixie dust move or is it a blunder?
A Bloom'der if you will.

Why is it a bad trade?

It just doesn't look good initially. The guy is on his 4'th? team since November. Granillo seemed to have potential.
Hopefully Bloomer gets lucky and catches lighting in a bottle.

[rage-STL]

From D Goold's Cards Extra article in the PD this morning:

Curious trade explained
By trading Andre Granillo to the Washington Nationals earlier this week for right-handed reliever George Soriano, the Cardinals did something unusual for them: They willingly relinquished some elasticity to the roster. Granillo had two minor league options remaining, and that meant he could easily be part of a rotation of relievers to keep the bullpen refreshed throughout the season.

Soriano, 26, is out of options.

He either stays in the majors or goes back on waivers, where he has been claimed multiple times this past offseason. The Cardinals made several attempts to claim him on waivers, but they had a better record than other claiming teams and ultimately had to trade for him.

The lack of options was a factor, Bloom said.

So, too, was the upside of Soriano’s fastball and a bet Bloom said the Cardinals wanted to make — on themselves. The team’s expanding scouting and acquisition group along with the pitching development staff spotted adjustments they thought Soriano could immediately make to improve his big league results.

“We saw an opportunity in Soriano to get someone who we really like, who we think is already better than what his big league results have been, and we saw a few different ways to make improvements there,” Bloom said. “Might be a little more here with this player than what he’s shown. We wanted to stick our neck out there a little bit and have a chance to put that into action this spring training.”