On Bloom and revisionist history

[Cusecards]

I hate everything about the team. Don’t know why I watch. They are pathetic losers. But, I’ll keep chiming in.

If I hated anything as much as some posters, I’d simply move on. It’s really that simple.

Wait....are you suggesting that one shouldn’t seek entertainment from an activity that makes you miserable on a daily basis????

[Cardinals1964]

I hate everything about the team. Don’t know why I watch. They are pathetic losers. But, I’ll keep chiming in.

If I hated anything as much as some posters, I’d simply move on. It’s really that simple.

Wait....are you suggesting that one shouldn’t seek entertainment from an activity that makes you miserable on a daily basis????

I’d suggest if your name is a know troll on ai, maybe you shouldn’t keep starting threads.
If you hate everything about an organization, don’t watch. Are some people just stupid? Seriously. Get a different hobby.

[AnExParrot]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

I think you are not happy with Bloom. If I misunderstand I apologize. From all indications I think he has made major organizational improvements and appears to have improved the minor league rosters. I just wish I could get in his head. I had hoped for a 2 year rebuild realizing the labor issue in 2027 might impact that goal. However I am a little critical in that his roster moves so far would indicate a longer runway to put a playoff competitive team on the field. He has made progress in a lot of areas so I have to give him credit and have confidence he can get the job done.

Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.

Show one, just one, example of this.

As for the part that precedes the enlarged part, you regularly point out the use of "everyone" as some trick of rhetoric, good to know you're not above it.

The rest of it could've been summed up quite easily with "i HaVe n0 iDeA h0w A rEbUiLd WoRkZ!"

Why are you trying to obfuscate? Could it be because you can't give one specific thing that Bloom has done? Could it be that you don't know what Bloom has done and yet "parrot" his saving graces?

So, not a single example of people saying he's "transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise?" Thought so.

As far as what Bloom has done? He's done/is doing exactly what has been asked of him to do, just as he was in Boston. That you don't understand this simple fact is a you problem only.

LOL...None of you buffoons can name a specific thing he's done. You just have sycophantic platitudes.

Still no examples of people who said he's "transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise?" You said everyone is saying it, but you can't come up with a single example to back up that statement?

Sycophantic platitudes? I've merely pointed out reality - it's a reality that you can't seem to handle, to be sure, but reality nonetheless.

To refresh your memory, you wrote: "Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise<snip>" How's that one (1) example coming along? I made it even larger this time, maybe that'll help.

[Cardinals1964]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

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[Cardinals1964]

My team might not win this year. I have nothing to do with them winning or losing. If they win, I’ll take credit. If they lose, I’ll blame everyone else. My life sucks so badly that the only thing I have to look forward to is somebody else accomplishing something.
I have no accomplishments of my own. My only thrill in life is to watch other grown men play a game and think it makes me relevant.

[Jatalk]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

I think you are not happy with Bloom. If I misunderstand I apologize. From all indications I think he has made major organizational improvements and appears to have improved the minor league rosters. I just wish I could get in his head. I had hoped for a 2 year rebuild realizing the labor issue in 2027 might impact that goal. However I am a little critical in that his roster moves so far would indicate a longer runway to put a playoff competitive team on the field. He has made progress in a lot of areas so I have to give him credit and have confidence he can get the job done.

Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.

I haven’t put him in the miracle category yet. And I haven’t no way of knowing yet if some of the staffing and organization changes he has made will payoff. But you have to agree he was left with a dumpster fire. As far as spending I’m not sure he has total control there.

A dumpster fire? How insulting to Mo and his staff. Nearly two decades of very good play and you call it a dumpster fire. What must you think of the other MLB teams that fared worse? Also, the Springfield Cardinals just won the championship. How much of a 'Dumpster fire" could it have been? I here everyone that loves him talk about all the changes and yet no one can list any. Weird.

Assume you are sort of kidding about Mo. He was handed the keys to a championship organization and left it with no chance of competing. I don’t totally blame him. Ownership shares blame also.

Bloom accomplishments? Significant staff changes, rebuilt farm system, improved scouting, dumped contracts, etc. of course will these moves be successful? Who knows. Roster rebuild? I’m disappointed in that as mentioned.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

First off, Bloom absolutely deserved to be fired in Boston. Two last‑place finishes in a major‑market, high‑expectation city will get anyone removed. That’s just the reality of the job.

That said, it doesn’t mean he lacks strengths. Plenty of executives get fired, learn from it, and come back stronger with a clearer understanding of what works and what doesn’t. Bloom has been in MLB since around 2005 and climbed steadily from intern to player evaluation to operations, eventually reaching a VP‑level role in one of the most efficient, low‑budget organizations in baseball. That kind of rise doesn’t happen by accident.

Whether he ultimately succeeds or fails in St. Louis is unknown — nobody can say that today. But dismissing him as unqualified ignores the fact that he *does* have the tools and experience to be a legitimate front‑office leader.

After his time in Boston, he joined the Cardinals as a consultant and managed to convince the DeWitts — which is no small task — to invest in a brand‑new player‑development facility. He also helped bring in strong player‑development personnel, including Cef and his staff from Cleveland, an organization known for producing MLB‑ready talent.

From the outside, I’m not fully sold on all of his trades so far. The approach has been extremely pitching‑heavy with very few positional players coming in. That’s just my opinion. But he inherited a mess and is trying to rebuild the minors under Flores and the new development group. And given that Busch Stadium is a pitcher‑friendly park, stockpiling arms does make strategic sense.

I still believe they need more positional talent, but I’m also aware I’m just giving my perspective.

The bottom line: yes, Bloom failed in Boston — the standings make that clear. But pretending he’s unqualified or incapable ignores his long track record, his rise through MLB, and the organizational improvements he’s already pushed for in St. Louis.

[CCard]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

First off, Bloom absolutely deserved to be fired in Boston. Two last‑place finishes in a major‑market, high‑expectation city will get anyone removed. That’s just the reality of the job.

That said, it doesn’t mean he lacks strengths. Plenty of executives get fired, learn from it, and come back stronger with a clearer understanding of what works and what doesn’t. Bloom has been in MLB since around 2005 and climbed steadily from intern to player evaluation to operations, eventually reaching a VP‑level role in one of the most efficient, low‑budget organizations in baseball. That kind of rise doesn’t happen by accident.

Whether he ultimately succeeds or fails in St. Louis is unknown — nobody can say that today. But dismissing him as unqualified ignores the fact that he *does* have the tools and experience to be a legitimate front‑office leader.

After his time in Boston, he joined the Cardinals as a consultant and managed to convince the DeWitts — which is no small task — to invest in a brand‑new player‑development facility. He also helped bring in strong player‑development personnel, including Cef and his staff from Cleveland, an organization known for producing MLB‑ready talent.

From the outside, I’m not fully sold on all of his trades so far. The approach has been extremely pitching‑heavy with very few positional players coming in. That’s just my opinion. But he inherited a mess and is trying to rebuild the minors under Flores and the new development group. And given that Busch Stadium is a pitcher‑friendly park, stockpiling arms does make strategic sense.

I still believe they need more positional talent, but I’m also aware I’m just giving my perspective.

The bottom line: yes, Bloom failed in Boston — the standings make that clear. But pretending he’s unqualified or incapable ignores his long track record, his rise through MLB, and the organizational improvements he’s already pushed for in St. Louis.

Thanks. You're the first person to actually enumerate what Bloom has done. I now appreciate some of what he's done more and maybe can cut him some slack. That being said, I still see no reason for the forced losing streak. I mean they're eventually going to sign talent, right? Why not sign some now and help this team to not be so bad? Surely DeWitt and company aren't worried about what amounts to pocket change to him. I just don't understand why they have to force a terrible losing streak on the Cards fans. So get rid of some older veterans. Okay. Just replace some with younger free agents that have game. Maybe it's not a Kyle Tucker but there's free agents out there that could really help these young guys and this young team.

[CCard]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

I think you are not happy with Bloom. If I misunderstand I apologize. From all indications I think he has made major organizational improvements and appears to have improved the minor league rosters. I just wish I could get in his head. I had hoped for a 2 year rebuild realizing the labor issue in 2027 might impact that goal. However I am a little critical in that his roster moves so far would indicate a longer runway to put a playoff competitive team on the field. He has made progress in a lot of areas so I have to give him credit and have confidence he can get the job done.

Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.

I haven’t put him in the miracle category yet. And I haven’t no way of knowing yet if some of the staffing and organization changes he has made will payoff. But you have to agree he was left with a dumpster fire. As far as spending I’m not sure he has total control there.

A dumpster fire? How insulting to Mo and his staff. Nearly two decades of very good play and you call it a dumpster fire. What must you think of the other MLB teams that fared worse? Also, the Springfield Cardinals just won the championship. How much of a 'Dumpster fire" could it have been? I here everyone that loves him talk about all the changes and yet no one can list any. Weird.

Assume you are sort of kidding about Mo. He was handed the keys to a championship organization and left it with no chance of competing. I don’t totally blame him. Ownership shares blame also.

Bloom accomplishments? Significant staff changes, rebuilt farm system, improved scouting, dumped contracts, etc. of course will these moves be successful? Who knows. Roster rebuild? I’m disappointed in that as mentioned.

In my eyes Mo gets too much hatred. Was he a successful GM? Coattails or no he has two rings. I don't know the daily contributions and the inner workings of the team but I do know that in nearly two decades they never had to tank and had a record in the top 5 or 6 in baseball during that time. As for his moves, I was all for getting Ozuna. Had I known that he wasn't really that good maybe I would have had pause, but looking from the outside that was a win for the Cardinals. But hindsight is 20/20. I was okay with some reservations about the Brett Cecil signing. Again, in that time period the Cardinals needed a good lefty reliever badly and all it cost was money. I was disappointed in how bad he was. Again, hindsight 20/20. Fowler, same. I do blame him for going to the Tyler Oneil well too often, but then none of the other options were proven. He's definitely made some bad calls, but also he was constrained by the DeWitt budget and whims. We'll see how Bloom turns out. Will he be successful or another rerun of Boston.

[Cusecards]

I hate everything about the team. Don’t know why I watch. They are pathetic losers. But, I’ll keep chiming in.

If I hated anything as much as some posters, I’d simply move on. It’s really that simple.

Wait....are you suggesting that one shouldn’t seek entertainment from an activity that makes you miserable on a daily basis????

I’d suggest if your name is a know troll on ai, maybe you shouldn’t keep starting threads.
If you hate everything about an organization, don’t watch. Are some people just stupid? Seriously. Get a different hobby.

SMH
Strange behavior for sure.

[ScotchMIrish]

In 2022 Boston had the 5th highest payroll in MLB at $236 million. In 2023 they were 12th at $225 million. Both seasons they finished below .500. That'll get you fired. 2025 they won 89 games and made the playoffs.

Look at how long LaRussa lasted in Arizona. Hired in 2014. in 3 seasons the diamondbacks were 64-98, 79-83 and 69-93. The moved him out of a decision making role and started winning. The Swanson/Inciarte for Miller trade was one of the worst this century. Almost as bad as the Betts/Price for Verdugo/Downs deal.

[Carp4Cy]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

And all the young talent that the RS have now is due to Bloom.

Not all. Tolle and Witherspoon were drafted in 24 and 25.

[Carp4Cy]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

It’s too early to judge Blooms success or failure yet. But there’s certainly a non-zero chance that his rebuild gets constrained by ownership just like he was constrained in Boston.

If that happens, he will have to choose between accepting some version of extended disappointment or leaving for a better franchise.

[BrockFloodMaris]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

It’s too early to judge Blooms success or failure yet. But there’s certainly a non-zero chance that his rebuild gets constrained by ownership just like he was constrained in Boston.

If that happens, he will have to choose between accepting some version of extended disappointment or leaving for a better franchise.

Yes, I suppose that is all possible. It is also possible that good things happen as a result of Bloom organizational refresh and that ownership supports those good things with greater investment. I choose to seek the latter.

[renostl]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

First off, Bloom absolutely deserved to be fired in Boston. Two last‑place finishes in a major‑market, high‑expectation city will get anyone removed. That’s just the reality of the job.

That said, it doesn’t mean he lacks strengths. Plenty of executives get fired, learn from it, and come back stronger with a clearer understanding of what works and what doesn’t. Bloom has been in MLB since around 2005 and climbed steadily from intern to player evaluation to operations, eventually reaching a VP‑level role in one of the most efficient, low‑budget organizations in baseball. That kind of rise doesn’t happen by accident.

Whether he ultimately succeeds or fails in St. Louis is unknown — nobody can say that today. But dismissing him as unqualified ignores the fact that he *does* have the tools and experience to be a legitimate front‑office leader.

After his time in Boston, he joined the Cardinals as a consultant and managed to convince the DeWitts — which is no small task — to invest in a brand‑new player‑development facility. He also helped bring in strong player‑development personnel, including Cef and his staff from Cleveland, an organization known for producing MLB‑ready talent.

From the outside, I’m not fully sold on all of his trades so far. The approach has been extremely pitching‑heavy with very few positional players coming in. That’s just my opinion. But he inherited a mess and is trying to rebuild the minors under Flores and the new development group. And given that Busch Stadium is a pitcher‑friendly park, stockpiling arms does make strategic sense.

I still believe they need more positional talent, but I’m also aware I’m just giving my perspective.

The bottom line: yes, Bloom failed in Boston — the standings make that clear. But pretending he’s unqualified or incapable ignores his long track record, his rise through MLB, and the organizational improvements he’s already pushed for in St. Louis.

Thanks. You're the first person to actually enumerate what Bloom has done. I now appreciate some of what he's done more and maybe can cut him some slack. That being said, I still see no reason for the forced losing streak. I mean they're eventually going to sign talent, right? Why not sign some now and help this team to not be so bad? Surely DeWitt and company aren't worried about what amounts to pocket change to him. I just don't understand why they have to force a terrible losing streak on the Cards fans. So get rid of some older veterans. Okay. Just replace some with younger free agents that have game. Maybe it's not a Kyle Tucker but there's free agents out there that could really help these young guys and this young team.

Those events were always there to be seen and were not hidden.

IF is was only about money why not just let MO do the cutting? There no need to have Bloom and MO on staff.
No need for any of the additions to the FO. Just cut and the restart new after 2026. They've done the opposite
in an attempt to build. We easily see the cuts, but Bloom isn't needed for that. It is his vision for a
rebuild is why he has this job. IF it never happens, which is often the case since all ways fail, maybe it
can be the changes made in development that remains in the organization for years that will be
his legacy to the franchise.

[Stlcardsblues]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.

Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.

Continuing to run a team to try to contend for a wild card and hope for a World Series run traps franchises on a never ending run of mediocrity. It was time to try a different direction. Time will tell if this was the correct path, but there was no other path that didn’t require a massive increase to payroll which was never happening.

Running the team the way it was run the last ten years was a complete failure.