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Re: On Bloom and revisionist history

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CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:23 amEveryone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.
Nobody is saying that he transformed the franchise into a winning franchise………..yet. Hopefully we will be saying that in a few years. And everyone around baseball has talked and written about our grossly outdated development system, how it had been lagging, and especially stripped out in 2020, and how Bloom has already added essential staff there. He’s also adding staff at the MLB level, which the team has avoided in the past. That is what people are praising, because it’s obvious that what they were doing was not working.

You, however, are being dishonest about Bloom and his time in Boston. It’s not revisionist history, and it’s been written and talked about many times before, what he faced from ownership in Boston. Any person without an agenda can see that. And he left Boston a much better franchise than how he found it. That’s basically indisputable, despite the fact that he was forced to trade Betts.

You can talk about how prospects are not guaranteed to succeed, but guess who for sure did not succeed? All the players we traded, because the team hasn’t succeeded in any meaningful way since 2019.
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CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:28 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 06 Feb 2026 09:08 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 06:35 am Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.
It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.
Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.
No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.
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ecleme22 wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:42 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:28 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 06 Feb 2026 09:08 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 06:35 am Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.
It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.
Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.
No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.
Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.
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CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:49 am
ecleme22 wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:42 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:28 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 06 Feb 2026 09:08 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 06:35 am Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.
It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.
Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.
No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.
Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.
Yes and just when all those aging expensive veteran players Who haven’t helped the cardinals win anything anyway had the cardinals on the cusp of a world championship!
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Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:41 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:23 amEveryone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.
Nobody is saying that he transformed the franchise into a winning franchise………..yet. Hopefully we will be saying that in a few years. And everyone around baseball has talked and written about our grossly outdated development system, how it had been lagging, and especially stripped out in 2020, and how Bloom has already added essential staff there. He’s also adding staff at the MLB level, which the team has avoided in the past. That is what people are praising, because it’s obvious that what they were doing was not working.

You, however, are being dishonest about Bloom and his time in Boston. It’s not revisionist history, and it’s been written and talked about many times before, what he faced from ownership in Boston. Any person without an agenda can see that. And he left Boston a much better franchise than how he found it. That’s basically indisputable, despite the fact that he was forced to trade Betts.

You can talk about how prospects are not guaranteed to succeed, but guess who for sure did not succeed? All the players we traded, because the team hasn’t succeeded in any meaningful way since 2019.
Again with the "He's added this and that" with not a single specific. Do you ever get the feeling that you're part of the propaganda brigade? Yeah, those two LAST PLACE finishes by Boston speak volumes don't they. You know what Bloom's greatest claim to fame is? Cutting and controlling payroll. That's what he did for the Rays. That's what he did for Boston. Now he's doing it for St Louis. Last place here we come. Now that he left Boston they're having to replace the talent.
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AnExParrot wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:31 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:23 am
Jatalk wrote: 06 Feb 2026 09:20 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 06:35 am Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.
I think you are not happy with Bloom. If I misunderstand I apologize. From all indications I think he has made major organizational improvements and appears to have improved the minor league rosters. I just wish I could get in his head. I had hoped for a 2 year rebuild realizing the labor issue in 2027 might impact that goal. However I am a little critical in that his roster moves so far would indicate a longer runway to put a playoff competitive team on the field. He has made progress in a lot of areas so I have to give him credit and have confidence he can get the job done.
Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.
Show one, just one, example of this.

As for the part that precedes the enlarged part, you regularly point out the use of "everyone" as some trick of rhetoric, good to know you're not above it.

The rest of it could've been summed up quite easily with "i HaVe n0 iDeA h0w A rEbUiLd WoRkZ!"
Why are you trying to obfuscate? Could it be because you can't give one specific thing that Bloom has done? Could it be that you don't know what Bloom has done and yet "parrot" his saving graces? :roll:
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CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:54 am Again with the "He's added this and that" with not a single specific. Do you ever get the feeling that you're part of the propaganda brigade? Yeah, those two LAST PLACE finishes by Boston speak volumes don't they. You know what Bloom's greatest claim to fame is? Cutting and controlling payroll. That's what he did for the Rays. That's what he did for Boston. Now he's doing it for St Louis. Last place here we come. Now that he left Boston they're having to replace the talent.
Yes, I’m surely going to waste a lot of time detailing all the specific additions that they’ve add so that I can engage with someone who is so obviously interested in an honest discussion.
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Ronnie Dobbs wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:58 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:54 am Again with the "He's added this and that" with not a single specific. Do you ever get the feeling that you're part of the propaganda brigade? Yeah, those two LAST PLACE finishes by Boston speak volumes don't they. You know what Bloom's greatest claim to fame is? Cutting and controlling payroll. That's what he did for the Rays. That's what he did for Boston. Now he's doing it for St Louis. Last place here we come. Now that he left Boston they're having to replace the talent.
Yes, I’m surely going to waste a lot of time detailing all the specific additions that they’ve add so that I can engage with someone who is so obviously interested in an honest discussion.
I didn't ask you to name all of the specifics, I asked you to name one. Can you?
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Ozziesfan41 wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:51 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:49 am
ecleme22 wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:42 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:28 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 06 Feb 2026 09:08 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 06:35 am Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.
It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.
Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.
No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.
Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.
Yes and just when all those aging expensive veteran players Who haven’t helped the cardinals win anything anyway had the cardinals on the cusp of a world championship!
Well, now that they're gone let's see how it works out. You buying those playoff tickets yet?
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CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:56 am
AnExParrot wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:31 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:23 am
Jatalk wrote: 06 Feb 2026 09:20 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 06:35 am Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.
I think you are not happy with Bloom. If I misunderstand I apologize. From all indications I think he has made major organizational improvements and appears to have improved the minor league rosters. I just wish I could get in his head. I had hoped for a 2 year rebuild realizing the labor issue in 2027 might impact that goal. However I am a little critical in that his roster moves so far would indicate a longer runway to put a playoff competitive team on the field. He has made progress in a lot of areas so I have to give him credit and have confidence he can get the job done.
Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.
Show one, just one, example of this.

As for the part that precedes the enlarged part, you regularly point out the use of "everyone" as some trick of rhetoric, good to know you're not above it.

The rest of it could've been summed up quite easily with "i HaVe n0 iDeA h0w A rEbUiLd WoRkZ!"
Why are you trying to obfuscate? Could it be because you can't give one specific thing that Bloom has done? Could it be that you don't know what Bloom has done and yet "parrot" his saving graces? :roll:
So, not a single example of people saying he's "transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise?" Thought so.

As far as what Bloom has done? He's done/is doing exactly what has been asked of him to do, just as he was in Boston. That you don't understand this simple fact is a you problem only.
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AnExParrot wrote: 06 Feb 2026 12:11 pm
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:56 am
AnExParrot wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:31 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:23 am
Jatalk wrote: 06 Feb 2026 09:20 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 06:35 am Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.
I think you are not happy with Bloom. If I misunderstand I apologize. From all indications I think he has made major organizational improvements and appears to have improved the minor league rosters. I just wish I could get in his head. I had hoped for a 2 year rebuild realizing the labor issue in 2027 might impact that goal. However I am a little critical in that his roster moves so far would indicate a longer runway to put a playoff competitive team on the field. He has made progress in a lot of areas so I have to give him credit and have confidence he can get the job done.
Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.
Show one, just one, example of this.

As for the part that precedes the enlarged part, you regularly point out the use of "everyone" as some trick of rhetoric, good to know you're not above it.

The rest of it could've been summed up quite easily with "i HaVe n0 iDeA h0w A rEbUiLd WoRkZ!"
Why are you trying to obfuscate? Could it be because you can't give one specific thing that Bloom has done? Could it be that you don't know what Bloom has done and yet "parrot" his saving graces? :roll:
So, not a single example of people saying he's "transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise?" Thought so.

As far as what Bloom has done? He's done/is doing exactly what has been asked of him to do, just as he was in Boston. That you don't understand this simple fact is a you problem only.
Topic should end here, OP clearly isn’t interested in having an honest discussion about this. Makes straw man arguments and can’t back them up when called out and calls others out for using revisionist history while doing exactly that in the OP where critical context is conveniently left out.
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Horseradish wrote: 06 Feb 2026 12:22 pm
AnExParrot wrote: 06 Feb 2026 12:11 pm
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:56 am
AnExParrot wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:31 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:23 am
Jatalk wrote: 06 Feb 2026 09:20 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 06:35 am Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.
I think you are not happy with Bloom. If I misunderstand I apologize. From all indications I think he has made major organizational improvements and appears to have improved the minor league rosters. I just wish I could get in his head. I had hoped for a 2 year rebuild realizing the labor issue in 2027 might impact that goal. However I am a little critical in that his roster moves so far would indicate a longer runway to put a playoff competitive team on the field. He has made progress in a lot of areas so I have to give him credit and have confidence he can get the job done.
Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.
Show one, just one, example of this.

As for the part that precedes the enlarged part, you regularly point out the use of "everyone" as some trick of rhetoric, good to know you're not above it.

The rest of it could've been summed up quite easily with "i HaVe n0 iDeA h0w A rEbUiLd WoRkZ!"
Why are you trying to obfuscate? Could it be because you can't give one specific thing that Bloom has done? Could it be that you don't know what Bloom has done and yet "parrot" his saving graces? :roll:
So, not a single example of people saying he's "transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise?" Thought so.

As far as what Bloom has done? He's done/is doing exactly what has been asked of him to do, just as he was in Boston. That you don't understand this simple fact is a you problem only.
Topic should end here, OP clearly isn’t interested in having an honest discussion about this. Makes straw man arguments and can’t back them up when called out and calls others out for using revisionist history while doing exactly that in the OP where critical context is conveniently left out.
He doesn't know much about the Cardinals, but argues anyways. Reminds me of Toby...exactly like Toby, always moving the goal posts, dismissive of sound positions/arguments. He knows baseball, he knows the bare minimum about the Cards...but not like a real Cardinal Fan would.
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Re: On Bloom and revisionist history

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CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 12:01 pm I didn't ask you to name all of the specifics, I asked you to name one. Can you?
Yes.
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Re: On Bloom and revisionist history

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CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:49 am
ecleme22 wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:42 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:28 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: 06 Feb 2026 09:08 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 06:35 am Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.
It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.
Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.
No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.
Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.
As I said, you don’t understand.

Keep crying over Gray and Arenado…
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Re: On Bloom and revisionist history

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CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 11:23 am
Jatalk wrote: 06 Feb 2026 09:20 am
CCard wrote: 06 Feb 2026 06:35 am Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.
I think you are not happy with Bloom. If I misunderstand I apologize. From all indications I think he has made major organizational improvements and appears to have improved the minor league rosters. I just wish I could get in his head. I had hoped for a 2 year rebuild realizing the labor issue in 2027 might impact that goal. However I am a little critical in that his roster moves so far would indicate a longer runway to put a playoff competitive team on the field. He has made progress in a lot of areas so I have to give him credit and have confidence he can get the job done.
Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.
I haven’t put him in the miracle category yet. And I haven’t no way of knowing yet if some of the staffing and organization changes he has made will payoff. But you have to agree he was left with a dumpster fire. As far as spending I’m not sure he has total control there.
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Re: On Bloom and revisionist history

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How does anyone know the winner of the race before the race even starts? I think the race is just getting started and we will see the winner of it in a few years. The team was not destroyed in just a few months time. Not sure how anyone can expect it to be all put back together in a few months either?
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