On Bloom and revisionist history

[renostl]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.

Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.

Yes and just when all those aging expensive veteran players Who haven’t helped the cardinals win anything anyway had the cardinals on the cusp of a world championship!

Well, now that they're gone let's see how it works out. You buying those playoff tickets yet?

It no longer matters what he did at his last job.

No more relevant than a hire that you may have made with
an employee. Resumes may get you a job then that's it. You earn or lose
by what you do on the current. If Bloom had multiple WS titles, equally irrelevant.

Bloom does not set Budget. Period. He operates inside one.

IF Bloom had a $160M budget today. Moving NA would still be good.
The others become more about how they are replaced than whether
are not they were kept. Each one we could have a discussion on if a team
should be moving on from them. WC's age and production as a 1B could be discussed.
SG as a 1-year contract can be discussed vs allowing him to walk. BD with a top 5
prospect in all of baseball behind him can be debated and I am of belief
the 2 could have coexisted.

It is more about how and how quickly they replace these players. To date you have a legit
position that they haven't been replaced by a any certainty at all. It is actually
the failure of these replacements to date that creates the situation. Imagine 1 of them knocking
the cover off the ball. It'd be easier to know what needs to be obtained. I'm willing to give some time
for the process. That time doesn't need to be endless but it should exist.

[CCard]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.

Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.

Yes and just when all those aging expensive veteran players Who haven’t helped the cardinals win anything anyway had the cardinals on the cusp of a world championship!

Well, now that they're gone let's see how it works out. You buying those playoff tickets yet?

It no longer matters what he did at his last job.

No more relevant than a hire that you may have made with
an employee. Resumes may get you a job then that's it. You earn or lose
by what you do on the current. If Bloom had multiple WS titles, equally irrelevant.

Bloom does not set Budget. Period. He operates inside one.

IF Bloom had a $160M budget today. Moving NA would still be good.
The others become more about how they are replaced than whether
are not they were kept. Each one we could have a discussion on if a team
should be moving on from them. WC's age and production as a 1B could be discussed.
SG as a 1-year contract can be discussed vs allowing him to walk. BD with a top 5
prospect in all of baseball behind him can be debated and I am of belief
the 2 could have coexisted.

It is more about how and how quickly they replace these players. To date you have a legit
position that they haven't been replaced by a any certainty at all. It is actually
the failure of these replacements to date that creates the situation. Imagine 1 of them knocking
the cover off the ball. It'd be easier to know what needs to be obtained. I'm willing to give some time
for the process. That time doesn't need to be endless but it should exist.

We know what Bloom was brought here for. The same reason he stayed in Tampa and the reason he was brought to Boston. Ultimately it cost him his job in Boston and it may yet here. If the Cards get two last place finishes in a row he might be out the door. That being said, the bigger problem is that it didn't need to happen. They have plenty of payroll to add some star power, THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.

[ecleme22]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.

Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.

Yes and just when all those aging expensive veteran players Who haven’t helped the cardinals win anything anyway had the cardinals on the cusp of a world championship!

Well, now that they're gone let's see how it works out. You buying those playoff tickets yet?

It no longer matters what he did at his last job.

No more relevant than a hire that you may have made with
an employee. Resumes may get you a job then that's it. You earn or lose
by what you do on the current. If Bloom had multiple WS titles, equally irrelevant.

Bloom does not set Budget. Period. He operates inside one.

IF Bloom had a $160M budget today. Moving NA would still be good.
The others become more about how they are replaced than whether
are not they were kept. Each one we could have a discussion on if a team
should be moving on from them. WC's age and production as a 1B could be discussed.
SG as a 1-year contract can be discussed vs allowing him to walk. BD with a top 5
prospect in all of baseball behind him can be debated and I am of belief
the 2 could have coexisted.

It is more about how and how quickly they replace these players. To date you have a legit
position that they haven't been replaced by a any certainty at all. It is actually
the failure of these replacements to date that creates the situation. Imagine 1 of them knocking
the cover off the ball. It'd be easier to know what needs to be obtained. I'm willing to give some time
for the process. That time doesn't need to be endless but it should exist.

We know what Bloom was brought here for. The same reason he stayed in Tampa and the reason he was brought to Boston. Ultimately it cost him his job in Boston and it may yet here. If the Cards get two last place finishes in a row he might be out the door. That being said, the bigger problem is that it didn't need to happen. They have plenty of payroll to add some star power, THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.

Please research “rebuild.”

[CCard]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

I think you are not happy with Bloom. If I misunderstand I apologize. From all indications I think he has made major organizational improvements and appears to have improved the minor league rosters. I just wish I could get in his head. I had hoped for a 2 year rebuild realizing the labor issue in 2027 might impact that goal. However I am a little critical in that his roster moves so far would indicate a longer runway to put a playoff competitive team on the field. He has made progress in a lot of areas so I have to give him credit and have confidence he can get the job done.

Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.

I haven’t put him in the miracle category yet. And I haven’t no way of knowing yet if some of the staffing and organization changes he has made will payoff. But you have to agree he was left with a dumpster fire. As far as spending I’m not sure he has total control there.

A dumpster fire? How insulting to Mo and his staff. Nearly two decades of very good play and you call it a dumpster fire. What must you think of the other MLB teams that fared worse? Also, the Springfield Cardinals just won the championship. How much of a 'Dumpster fire" could it have been? I here everyone that loves him talk about all the changes and yet no one can list any. Weird.

[CCard]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.

Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.

As I said, you don’t understand.

Keep crying over Gray and Arenado…

I'm crying because they didn't replace them with decent talent in the MLB. You should be too.

[CCard]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

I think you are not happy with Bloom. If I misunderstand I apologize. From all indications I think he has made major organizational improvements and appears to have improved the minor league rosters. I just wish I could get in his head. I had hoped for a 2 year rebuild realizing the labor issue in 2027 might impact that goal. However I am a little critical in that his roster moves so far would indicate a longer runway to put a playoff competitive team on the field. He has made progress in a lot of areas so I have to give him credit and have confidence he can get the job done.

Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.

Show one, just one, example of this.

As for the part that precedes the enlarged part, you regularly point out the use of "everyone" as some trick of rhetoric, good to know you're not above it.

The rest of it could've been summed up quite easily with "i HaVe n0 iDeA h0w A rEbUiLd WoRkZ!"

Why are you trying to obfuscate? Could it be because you can't give one specific thing that Bloom has done? Could it be that you don't know what Bloom has done and yet "parrot" his saving graces?

So, not a single example of people saying he's "transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise?" Thought so.

As far as what Bloom has done? He's done/is doing exactly what has been asked of him to do, just as he was in Boston. That you don't understand this simple fact is a you problem only.

LOL...None of you buffoons can name a specific thing he's done. You just have sycophantic platitudes.

[TopofthePerch]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.

Sorry but we never won in the past because we spent big money. We had developed multiple stars in Pujols, Molina, and Wainwright. Not one player of that caliber has been developed since.

[renostl]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.

Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.

Yes and just when all those aging expensive veteran players Who haven’t helped the cardinals win anything anyway had the cardinals on the cusp of a world championship!

Well, now that they're gone let's see how it works out. You buying those playoff tickets yet?

It no longer matters what he did at his last job.

No more relevant than a hire that you may have made with
an employee. Resumes may get you a job then that's it. You earn or lose
by what you do on the current. If Bloom had multiple WS titles, equally irrelevant.

Bloom does not set Budget. Period. He operates inside one.

IF Bloom had a $160M budget today. Moving NA would still be good.
The others become more about how they are replaced than whether
are not they were kept. Each one we could have a discussion on if a team
should be moving on from them. WC's age and production as a 1B could be discussed.
SG as a 1-year contract can be discussed vs allowing him to walk. BD with a top 5
prospect in all of baseball behind him can be debated and I am of belief
the 2 could have coexisted.

It is more about how and how quickly they replace these players. To date you have a legit
position that they haven't been replaced by a any certainty at all. It is actually
the failure of these replacements to date that creates the situation. Imagine 1 of them knocking
the cover off the ball. It'd be easier to know what needs to be obtained. I'm willing to give some time
for the process. That time doesn't need to be endless but it should exist.

We know what Bloom was brought here for. The same reason he stayed in Tampa and the reason he was brought to Boston. Ultimately it cost him his job in Boston and it may yet here. If the Cards get two last place finishes in a row he might be out the door. That being said, the bigger problem is that it didn't need to happen. They have plenty of payroll to add some star power, THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.

I have little doubt that you believe that .
Now imagine being wrong on 1 of those 2 assumptions
that we all see as facts.

New job for Bloom. Boston or Tampa will not be
giving him his evaluation.

[DwaininAztec]

Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.

His "great things" include the rebuilding of the minor league system with some quality folks leading the way, finally getting both a pitching and hitting school set up in Jupiter, and some minor leaguers finally blossoming. One case in point is Joshua Baez, whose approach was changed, stance adjusted, and results were good. Now we see if Baez can continue to grow. Then there is the drafting this year of at least 2 high quality arms -- Doyle and Franklin.

Can Bloom's approach rebuild St. Louis? Only time will tell, but DeWitt has already mentioned at least twice that the budget will grow when the team is ready to take on some additional talent.

[Cusecards]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.

Expand that to “I don’t understand baseball period” train!

[Cusecards]

Facts without context are pretty (drat) useless. As mentioned in the first response there was some pretty important context left out of the OP.

How many times is CCard going to trot this trope out? He's been doing it since the initial hiring if memory serves.

The “C” stands for Clueless!

[CCard]

Everyone talks about all the great things he's done and how he's transformed the Cardinals organization into a winning franchise, but no one can give any specific's. It's all platitudes and feelings. He's gutted payroll (not replacing any major league talent), he's added some minor league players but they're untested and just as likely to fail as succeed and yet everyone thinks he's some miracle worker. He led Boston to two straight last place finishes and was fired for his troubles. Yet here they say he's already worked miracles and no one seems to know what those miracles are. If you know, please list them.

His "great things" include the rebuilding of the minor league system with some quality folks leading the way, finally getting both a pitching and hitting school set up in Jupiter, and some minor leaguers finally blossoming. One case in point is Joshua Baez, whose approach was changed, stance adjusted, and results were good. Now we see if Baez can continue to grow. Then there is the drafting this year of at least 2 high quality arms -- Doyle and Franklin.

Can Bloom's approach rebuild St. Louis? Only time will tell, but DeWitt has already mentioned at least twice that the budget will grow when the team is ready to take on some additional talent.

And that's my major problem with it all. Why do people have to suffer through a last place team? Can't they walk and chew bubblegum both?

[CCard]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.

Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.

Yes and just when all those aging expensive veteran players Who haven’t helped the cardinals win anything anyway had the cardinals on the cusp of a world championship!

Well, now that they're gone let's see how it works out. You buying those playoff tickets yet?

It no longer matters what he did at his last job.

No more relevant than a hire that you may have made with
an employee. Resumes may get you a job then that's it. You earn or lose
by what you do on the current. If Bloom had multiple WS titles, equally irrelevant.

Bloom does not set Budget. Period. He operates inside one.

IF Bloom had a $160M budget today. Moving NA would still be good.
The others become more about how they are replaced than whether
are not they were kept. Each one we could have a discussion on if a team
should be moving on from them. WC's age and production as a 1B could be discussed.
SG as a 1-year contract can be discussed vs allowing him to walk. BD with a top 5
prospect in all of baseball behind him can be debated and I am of belief
the 2 could have coexisted.

It is more about how and how quickly they replace these players. To date you have a legit
position that they haven't been replaced by a any certainty at all. It is actually
the failure of these replacements to date that creates the situation. Imagine 1 of them knocking
the cover off the ball. It'd be easier to know what needs to be obtained. I'm willing to give some time
for the process. That time doesn't need to be endless but it should exist.

We know what Bloom was brought here for. The same reason he stayed in Tampa and the reason he was brought to Boston. Ultimately it cost him his job in Boston and it may yet here. If the Cards get two last place finishes in a row he might be out the door. That being said, the bigger problem is that it didn't need to happen. They have plenty of payroll to add some star power, THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.

I have little doubt that you believe that .
Now imagine being wrong on 1 of those 2 assumptions
that we all see as facts.

New job for Bloom. Boston or Tampa will not be
giving him his evaluation.

Again, they choose not to. Whatever shortcomings happened in the minors is of their own making. They chose to cut that funding. Now they choose to cut the major league funding. Basically they're punishing the fans for their lack of preparation and character. You can say to blame Covid as I've seen some publications say, but other teams went through covid too and you don't see them tearing everything down. There's just no excuse for not fielding a competitive team. They have the resources.

[Cardinals1964]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

Yawn.

[CCard]

Bloom, 40, served as chief baseball officer of the Red Sox from 2019-23. Boston reached the 2021 American League Championship Series under Bloom’s guidance. After the Red Sox won 92 games in '21, they fell on hard times in '22 (78-84) and '23 (78-84), finishing last in the AL East in both seasons.

Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak first mentioned the possibility of bringing in an outside resource during the General Managers Meetings in November. Bloom will work under Mozeliak, advising on a variety of baseball-operations areas.

Mozeliak said he first approached Bloom about the possibility of an advisory role in September when the latter parted ways with the Red Sox. Mozeliak described Bloom’s role as “more of a part-time role, more of an advisory role.” He said Bloom will not be relocating to St. Louis, but he will be with the club in Spring Training, and he will join the squad for home and road games during the season.

Mozeliak said Bloom wasn’t directly involved in recent Cardinals acquisitions of relief pitchers Andrew Kittredge, Nick Robertson and Ryan Fernandez -- players Bloom had ties to from his time working for the Red Sox and Rays. Still, Bloom proved to be a valuable resource in helping learn more about players the Cards added.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cardinals-hire-chaim-bloom

Just a little more flavor to savor. Those last place finishes in Boston sealed his fate there.

It sounds like you are trying to make a case for Bloom being a bad choice for Cards POBO? Is that correct? You are not convincing me with the argument above. Much has been written and spoken into microphones about how Bloom was at the mercy of an ownership in Boston that demanded Mookie Betts to be traded and that the MLB payroll to be slashed. Bloom was a good soldier and did his job. The results were short term failure and a replenishment of Boston's minor league system, which has since resulted in a noted upturn in prospects reaching the bigs.

Let me reiterate....TWO LAST PLACE FINISHES for a high market team. Wow...Just wow. You guys are all in on the Bloom train.

No one is on the Bloom train.

Many are on the “I like what he’s doing so far! train.

You are on the, “I don’t understand what a rebuild is,” train.

Keep telling yourself that fanboy. Gutting a team is fun and billionaires love it.

Yes and just when all those aging expensive veteran players Who haven’t helped the cardinals win anything anyway had the cardinals on the cusp of a world championship!

Well, now that they're gone let's see how it works out. You buying those playoff tickets yet?

It no longer matters what he did at his last job.

No more relevant than a hire that you may have made with
an employee. Resumes may get you a job then that's it. You earn or lose
by what you do on the current. If Bloom had multiple WS titles, equally irrelevant.

Bloom does not set Budget. Period. He operates inside one.

IF Bloom had a $160M budget today. Moving NA would still be good.
The others become more about how they are replaced than whether
are not they were kept. Each one we could have a discussion on if a team
should be moving on from them. WC's age and production as a 1B could be discussed.
SG as a 1-year contract can be discussed vs allowing him to walk. BD with a top 5
prospect in all of baseball behind him can be debated and I am of belief
the 2 could have coexisted.

It is more about how and how quickly they replace these players. To date you have a legit
position that they haven't been replaced by a any certainty at all. It is actually
the failure of these replacements to date that creates the situation. Imagine 1 of them knocking
the cover off the ball. It'd be easier to know what needs to be obtained. I'm willing to give some time
for the process. That time doesn't need to be endless but it should exist.

We know what Bloom was brought here for. The same reason he stayed in Tampa and the reason he was brought to Boston. Ultimately it cost him his job in Boston and it may yet here. If the Cards get two last place finishes in a row he might be out the door. That being said, the bigger problem is that it didn't need to happen. They have plenty of payroll to add some star power, THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.

Please research “rebuild.”

Please research walk and chew gum at the same time. Also while you're at it, look up tanking. And also check how much the Cards are worth and their profit over the last two decades.

[Cardinals1964]

I hate everything about the team. Don’t know why I watch. They are pathetic losers. But, I’ll keep chiming in.

If I hated anything as much as some posters, I’d simply move on. It’s really that simple.