Logan Mailloux

[BleedingBleu]

Sorry I am not convinced that he is going to be a solid contributor and that seems to irritate you. The Blues aren't either with their one year, league minimum deal. Maybe he will end up being solid and I will be happy about that. All I have ever said is that there is very little he has shown this year that has made me think it is more likely than it was a few months ago that he will get there.

Neat, you think a 22 year old former First Round Pick w/less than 50 Games won’t be a “solid” contributor… that and $1.59 won’t get you a small coffee at a QuikTrip.

However, it is incredibly inspiring and not remotely irritating. Once your bold, likely non-goalpost shifting premonitions comes to pass, when would you like us to commission the banner raising ceremony?

I hope you will understand that why every Blues Fan Homer would be actively rooting for your faceplant.

Once again you are proving that you cannot discuss in good faith. You set up straw mans because they are easier to argue. I didn't say I don't think he will be solid. I said I am not convinced of it. And I said that nothing he has shown this year has really made me think it is any more likley. Not sure why you insist on being all snarky about this. It does seem bother you that I am less bullish on him than most and believe that a lot of people are letting their Blues fandom cloud the reality that his actual numbers are still poor. If it doesn't bother you, you have a weird way of discussing it.

You continue to act like I want him to fail. I haven't moved a single goal post. I have no clue what you are talking about.

What more am I supposed to say? You claim you can’t see progress, despite statistical evidence that shows improved play and increased time.

What strawman argument have I provided? The one where you can’t identify progress because being incredibly bad in October to now just “poor” (vague definition) isn’t proof of improvement? How is it you can’t define that, but can define a bad faith argument by claiming “not thinking he’ll be solid” is a dramatic leap from “not convinced he’ll be solid.”

Mailloux’s First 20 Games
1 G, 1 A, -17, 18 PIM, 13:21 ATOI, 14 BLK, 27 Hits, 2 TA, 16 GA

Mailloux’s next 10 Games TB, BUF, UTA, MTL
0 G, 0 A, -3, 14 PIM, 14:32 ATOI, 4 BLK, 6 Hits, 2 TA, 8 GA

Mailloux’s Last 11 Games VGK, CAR, TB, EDM, WPG, DAL, LA
0 G, 1 A, -3, 2 PIM, 15:10 ATOI, 8 BLK, 19 Hits, 4 TA, 15 GA

So, not only has his ATOI, Blocks, Hits, and Takeaways increased, but his PIM and +/- decreased… all while playing against arguably better opponents (7/11 playoff opponents) than the prior samples.

Yes, the Giveaways could use work. Fowler has 12 GA over that same stretch of games. To ignore tangible evidence of improvement by simply discarding it for being “poor” is actually ignoring the massive strides a 22 year old Defenseman is making. For what, exactly?

To suggest you don’t think are “unconvinced” a 22 year old will improve to be a solid player, despite signs of improved play while compiling more minutes against stronger opponents as the season progressed is foolish… borderline petty.

the advanced stats say LM was the 2nd best Blues defender last night, so that's good to see.

Yes… reminder, he is 41 Games into his First Full Season. Even Pronger was a -18 in his First Season as a Blue, and that was on a team w/Gretzky, Hull, MacInnis, Dale Hawerchuk, & Grant Fuhr

[MiamiLaw]

No they mean two different things man. You’ve got way too much time on your hands to make memes, strikethroughs, colored fonts, parse trough my posts to pick and choose incomplete points to take pot shots but not much time to actually address the entirety of my thoughts. You ignore the stuff that doesn’t fit the narrative you want my view to be.

I’m not going to keep repeating it for you and arguing semantics. Ive said how I feel about this player. You don’t agree. Cool.

[BleedingBleu]

No they mean two different things man. You’ve got way too much time on your hands to make memes, strikethroughs, colored fonts, parse trough my posts to pick and choose incomplete points to take pot shots but not much time to actually address the entirety of my thoughts. You ignore the stuff that doesn’t fit the narrative you want my view to be.

I’m not going to keep repeating it for you and arguing semantics. Ive said how I feel about this player. You don’t agree. Cool.

Nothing you just said had anything to do with the sport of Hockey, Logan Mailloux, nor the Blues.

I posted stats, you whined about me and all my infinite time… all while not quoting me. Please, continue to tell me how I’m the one “ignoring stuff.”

Just know, applying that font color took forty-five minutes, alone. Commissioning a meme requires a full 2-week investigative into requirements and contract deliverables prior to a full-bore design review by an integrated product team. Then, it just sits in the legal department’s queue for another week or two.

Don’t even get me started on export control and financing. You don’t seem to appreciate the time, cost, and effort that went into that meme. Easily 3-months and $1.5M

The Blues just cut a Swedish defenseman so their marketing team could publish a meme on social media, for Christ sake! Someday, someone will trim the red-tape and bureaucracy. Mark my words, there will be a tool out there that generates a meme in seconds. Someday…

[Bluesfan1978]

Last night was a rare game I missed because I was at FLA/BUF, but the advanced stats say LM was the 2nd best Blues defender last night, so that's good to see. I agree that he is big and can skate pretty well, and I have seen a bit of a nasty side, but the "really good passer" I haven't really seen much of and "great shot" I am not sure we have seen much of either. He may have those things, or develop them over time, but I don't remember many times this year watching LM where I have been wowed by any pass he's made or any shot he has taken, much less that happening regularly.

I can tell you’re not impressed based on prior posts, but stats or not, to the eye test he did have a good game last night. Time will tell if he can be a reliable and productive NHL regular, but I’ll give the kid kudos for last nights game.

A few passes were unreal good. Out of trouble and landing perfectly.

Miami's got the stats to say otherwise but January's games are a sign to me he's putting things together. We'll all know more by end of next year.

I know it is tough because you're not keeping notes but any chance you know the times of the game he made those passes. Don't really feel like watching the entire game from last night (especially knowing the outcome ) but if there were moments he showed some skill, I'd love to take a look.

The shift times are what time is left
I didn't make a note of the battles he had in front of the net. If you watch he had a few with McCarron
There's also several plays he doesn't touch the puck that he's starting to be ready to join a rush or look for an offensive opportunity
On ice
18:23-17:50
16:40-16:00
14:15-13:39 Nice play to knock puck down to exit zone
10:44-9:46 Short pass to 10 then the puck exited the zone
7:00-6:36
5:36-4:50 Shot block
3:09-2:20 Hit puck away from 47
0:52-0:00 Pinched in to hit puck away from 47, Then in the Ozone corner swiped puck away from 59 to keep puck in deep to end period.
After 1st announcers said he was the Best Blues D at defending front of the net
2nd
18:00-17:34 Wrist shot on net, pinched on 81 to keep puck in ozone
16:04-15:13
13:36-13:04 Quick bank pass to 17 under pressure in D zone, then skated towards blue line and received pass back and skated into ozone and dropped a pass to 10. Went in offside ozone corner and curled toward blue line receiving a pass from 21, then skated a made pass back to 21 who was headed to the slot.
11:47-11:13 Pass to 29 at half boards in o-zone, 29 shot puck and missed net. Mailloux skated to his offside and kept puck in o-zone. At 11:23 left he made a hard play to keep puck in O-zone. He ended the shift with a drive to the net looking for a rebound.
8:25-7:07 Good battle against Stamkos, then stripped 77 of the puck and Fowler got the puck deep. Mailloux read the play in his end and took a pass just inside blueline and skated the puck over redline for a dump in.
6:11-4:38 After pressuring Stamkos he stripped the puck from him and made a quick pass to 21 who exited the zone.
3rd
17:58-17:16 Dumped the puck in o-zone corner
16:20-14:45 Raced back to blue line and made a pass to 63, Made another pass to 17 to exit zone, kept puck in o-zone, deflected a pass so it didn’t reach streaking Nashville player
10:48-10:04 Skated puck into o-zone and went around the net sending a pass to 21 in front of net, then got pack back and passed to 75 at blue line
5:20-4:20 Pass to 17 in D zone, then skated puck over center and dumped puck into o-zone

You’re the man. Thx!

No problem, I had the shifts wrote down for something I was looking into. It looked like the game is slowing down for him a bit. Could also be that Nashville plays a more direct and heavy game which is more predictable.
Watching some of his one on one battles there’s no other Blues D that have his combo of size, skating, and willingness to battle the McCarrons.
Still isn’t trying to shoot very much.
I’ve not seen every game this year but I thought this was his best game as a Blue from the games I did watch.
If he could play most of the games the rest of the year at that level or even slightly better I’d have no issue saying he’s established playing at a 3rd pair level.
Maybe next year he starts getting some PK time.

[dhsux]

Last night was a rare game I missed because I was at FLA/BUF, but the advanced stats say LM was the 2nd best Blues defender last night, so that's good to see. I agree that he is big and can skate pretty well, and I have seen a bit of a nasty side, but the "really good passer" I haven't really seen much of and "great shot" I am not sure we have seen much of either. He may have those things, or develop them over time, but I don't remember many times this year watching LM where I have been wowed by any pass he's made or any shot he has taken, much less that happening regularly.

I can tell you’re not impressed based on prior posts, but stats or not, to the eye test he did have a good game last night. Time will tell if he can be a reliable and productive NHL regular, but I’ll give the kid kudos for last nights game.

A few passes were unreal good. Out of trouble and landing perfectly.

Miami's got the stats to say otherwise but January's games are a sign to me he's putting things together. We'll all know more by end of next year.

I know it is tough because you're not keeping notes but any chance you know the times of the game he made those passes. Don't really feel like watching the entire game from last night (especially knowing the outcome ) but if there were moments he showed some skill, I'd love to take a look.

The shift times are what time is left
I didn't make a note of the battles he had in front of the net. If you watch he had a few with McCarron
There's also several plays he doesn't touch the puck that he's starting to be ready to join a rush or look for an offensive opportunity
On ice
18:23-17:50
16:40-16:00
14:15-13:39 Nice play to knock puck down to exit zone
10:44-9:46 Short pass to 10 then the puck exited the zone
7:00-6:36
5:36-4:50 Shot block
3:09-2:20 Hit puck away from 47
0:52-0:00 Pinched in to hit puck away from 47, Then in the Ozone corner swiped puck away from 59 to keep puck in deep to end period.
After 1st announcers said he was the Best Blues D at defending front of the net
2nd
18:00-17:34 Wrist shot on net, pinched on 81 to keep puck in ozone
16:04-15:13
13:36-13:04 Quick bank pass to 17 under pressure in D zone, then skated towards blue line and received pass back and skated into ozone and dropped a pass to 10. Went in offside ozone corner and curled toward blue line receiving a pass from 21, then skated a made pass back to 21 who was headed to the slot.
11:47-11:13 Pass to 29 at half boards in o-zone, 29 shot puck and missed net. Mailloux skated to his offside and kept puck in o-zone. At 11:23 left he made a hard play to keep puck in O-zone. He ended the shift with a drive to the net looking for a rebound.
8:25-7:07 Good battle against Stamkos, then stripped 77 of the puck and Fowler got the puck deep. Mailloux read the play in his end and took a pass just inside blueline and skated the puck over redline for a dump in.
6:11-4:38 After pressuring Stamkos he stripped the puck from him and made a quick pass to 21 who exited the zone.
3rd
17:58-17:16 Dumped the puck in o-zone corner
16:20-14:45 Raced back to blue line and made a pass to 63, Made another pass to 17 to exit zone, kept puck in o-zone, deflected a pass so it didn’t reach streaking Nashville player
10:48-10:04 Skated puck into o-zone and went around the net sending a pass to 21 in front of net, then got pack back and passed to 75 at blue line
5:20-4:20 Pass to 17 in D zone, then skated puck over center and dumped puck into o-zone

You’re the man. Thx!

I'll say.

Enjoyed that more than Kerbs and Vitale!

[Wattage]

mailloux has been disappointing butnhes looked better recently, and if anyone is being objective- bolduc hasnt exactly been great his sophmore season either after a hot first couple ganes.