Logan Mailloux

[Sunny's Teeth]

The OG Race doesn't like jheri curl. . . shocking.

What is the OG Race? I’m not sure, so do tell

A clandestine group of banned screen names, masking a half-wit whose “humor” and hobbies seem to include hours spent on Google images gathering half-naked and tongue pics of hockey players to post on a hockey forum. Oh - he actually denied he does this, but then doubles down in the following days by posting more and more pics from his collection.

And an admitted racist to boot. Piece of work that one.

Really? I am surprised to hear that.

Yeah, he made some pretty ugly comments about Kadri's heritage back in the day, and, surprisingly, owned them. (shrug)

Well, he keeps coming back with new screen names after he’s been banned more than once and he somehow decided to flat out deny he ever posted multiple half-naked and tongue wagging pics of young hockey players on this very forum as if people don’t remember. I guess I believe anything about such an individual.

I mean, it's an anonymous internet message board, we're all playing characters to some degree. So who knows where the truth lies, but it does still say something about people what they choose to post ...

[dhsux]

I wanna hear more about how ATOI works.

Can we get back to that?

hahahahahaha

omg

[theograce]

I wanna hear more about how ATOI works.

I’d like to get back to you praising the improvements of a guy with 3 points and who is -23 … who the coach doesn’t trust to play … on a junk backend.

Let’s talk about that. One of the worst debuts in franchise history … and you see flowers. You see lots of weird things tho

[dhsux]

Pro
1. Improvement is better than not improvement
2. As you say there's lots of projects going on so it's a throwaway season so of all times to learn, throwaway seasons at least it's not his fault

Con
1. we are talking about improvement from an abysmal baseline (see Kyrou, Jordan) and the improvement is still openly inadequate
2. more continued misjudgment from the front office on NHL defense in a situation where everyone correctly doubts them (they expected much better than whatever this still is)

100% couldn’t say it much better

thanks I almost referenced this summer's podcasting blues universe optimism that all homers jumped on. I was going to mention the Pronger thing because, while it's a hilarious self caricature of a homer comment to say that, I felt like it was in the rearview mirror

Nope, that is still around. dear lord, just a few posts up ... the pro Mailloux side just isn't trustworthy

Yea I feel the homer in people are causing them to see something that isn’t there. Yes Mailloux has improved because he almost literally had nowhere to go but up. He was statistically the worst player in the league for about half the season. Anyone who says this is the guy who the Blues thought they were getting is either lying to us or lying to themselves.

He did have a relatively strong rush later in the game last night where he skated out of trouble behind the net which was noticeable because I hadn’t seen much of it. It didn’t amount to anything but it was at least something.

Could he end up being a decent player? Sure. But this year has not done much to add any certainty to that in my opinion.

You're not sure he's a decent player. Check. I can't say for sure myself just what he ends up being.

but do you have certainty that he improved rather dramatically from his first 13 games to his last thirteen games, where he played his 36th to 49th game in the NHL nearly even defensively to established veterans?

I get his first thirteen is easy to improve upon. But his last thirteen, vastly improved off his first 13, is dang near where the rest of this D core produced in that same time frame of the month of January.

How would you value that 13 game performance for a rookie defender?

[dhsux]

Todays Lesson:

"ATOI and how to twist it like a pretzel so I end up right"

hahahaha

while we're at it....how 'bout some more Adin Hill too please.

hahahaha

[theograce]

When you mention Hill…what does that mean to you outside of deflection? I could deflect to physics, but I don’t need to.

Mails debut is one of the worst in franchise history … and he’s been as insulated/protected as a guy can be.

He’s been garbage. Does that hurt?

It might hurt him. He’s admitted he has low self-esteem

[Bubble4427]

Adin Hill to start
“Everyone’s talking about it!”
Stupid princess…..

[theograce]

Adin Hill to start
“Everyone’s talking about it!”
Stupid princess…..

…how did you not know that goaltenders are named on game day? How?

Laughing

[Bubble4427]

Adin Hill to start
“Everyone’s talking about it!”
Stupid princess…..

…how did you not know that goaltenders are named on game day? How?

Laughing

I didn’t start the thread dumb chit….
You STARTED THE THREAD proclaiming he was starting and that everyone is talking about it.
You lied, you got caught. It happens weekly on here to you. Kyrou tongue pics that you posted for weeks and now deny…
We all laugh at you princess.
Now it’s your turn to deflect and claim some hollow victory. Enjoy your evening princess.

[theograce]

Adin Hill to start
“Everyone’s talking about it!”
Stupid princess…..

…how did you not know that goaltenders are named on game day? How?

Laughing

I didn’t start the thread dumb chit….
You STARTED THE THREAD proclaiming he was starting and that everyone is talking about it.
You lied, you got caught. It happens weekly on here to you. Kyrou tongue pics that you posted for weeks and now deny…
We all laugh at you princess.
Now it’s your turn to deflect and claim some hollow victory. Enjoy your evening princess.

How is it a lie when I know goaltenders are named on game day? Every Canadian knows this. You didn’t know this. So you call it a lie.

Binnington was awful … just like now. People were screaming for his head. Did you even watch the tournament?

I actually love…love that you keep calling it a lie. Your are legit one of the dumber people here.

Please never stop talking about the lie

Hahaha

[Jeff Goldblum]

He looks fine. He's one of the few players on the team who makes hard crisp passes on the tape, which is a sad thing to have to say. He seems to be quick to get the puck to other players instead of taking it himself, which I assume is a product of the coaching and him being afraid to make a mistake. He is always protecting the front of the net and isn't afraid to get physical. He had a nice play on Saturday where he slid into the slot and was wide open but hit the goalies shoulder. I get being annoyed that we aren't seeing the plays that are on his minor league highlight reel, but he's still a rookie and getting used to the NHL. Give him plenty of playing time the rest of this season since it is a lost season and let him get used to it.

[zamadoo]

4 shifts in the last 10 mins of the game last night. Last shift he was on the ice until 45 seconds to go. At 1:20 left made a defensive play to stop a goal and then rushed the puck up the ice.
ATOI is how you see how a player is trending
I don't need your tips I can promise you that
Improvement isn't linear
No matter how he started the year he's showing improvement. The coach has said so when interviewed, His increase in ice time is reflecting that. Being on the ice with a minute to go in a game is a pat on the back

I noticed his extra play at the end, and that last shift with under 2min to go where he looked confident and generated the play before keeping it going on the O zone. Coaching is gaining trust in him, and he is starting to come out more. By the end of the year he could be a steady 15min+ guy. I do still see top-4 potential if he continues to learn and grow.

[BleedingBleu]

Pro
1. Improvement is better than not improvement
2. As you say there's lots of projects going on so it's a throwaway season so of all times to learn, throwaway seasons at least it's not his fault

Con
1. we are talking about improvement from an abysmal baseline (see Kyrou, Jordan) and the improvement is still openly inadequate
2. more continued misjudgment from the front office on NHL defense in a situation where everyone correctly doubts them (they expected much better than whatever this still is)

100% couldn’t say it much better

thanks I almost referenced this summer's podcasting blues universe optimism that all homers jumped on. I was going to mention the Pronger thing because, while it's a hilarious self caricature of a homer comment to say that, I felt like it was in the rearview mirror

Nope, that is still around. dear lord, just a few posts up ... the pro Mailloux side just isn't trustworthy

Yea I feel the homer in people are causing them to see something that isn’t there. Yes Mailloux has improved because he almost literally had nowhere to go but up. He was statistically the worst player in the league for about half the season. Anyone who says this is the guy who the Blues thought they were getting is either lying to us or lying to themselves.

He did have a relatively strong rush later in the game last night where he skated out of trouble behind the net which was noticeable because I hadn’t seen much of it. It didn’t amount to anything but it was at least something.

Could he end up being a decent player? Sure. But this year has not done much to add any certainty to that in my opinion.

Serious question, but is it possible your initial assessment was completely out of scope for a 21 year old w/8 NHL Games under his belt in 2 years?

Maybe I just have more respect for Blues fans on this forum, because it’s been around for +20 years, has a lot of entrenched regulars, and very knowledgeable posters who are regularly commenting on the sport beyond the FanDuel broadcasts. However, when someone has to segregate their opinion from a mass of people by declaring them “Homers,” I start to question whether that person is actually capable of introspection.

- Logan Mailloux, 31st Pick in the 2021 Draft. 7th Defenseman taken.
- It’s WIDELY UNDERSTOOD Defenseman take a while to develop. We are constantly reminded of this when reflecting on Broberg, Mikola, Walman, Chris Pronger.
- Mailloux had 7 Games (16:12 ATOI) for MTL last year. No Playoffs, and was a -5
- Mailloux will turn 23 at the end of April.
- Broberg (Top 10 Pick, 3rd Defenseman) in Edmonton over that same age interval played in just 81 Games and was at 12:24 ATOI over the duration. Mailloux at 48, likely finishes around ~80.

No, I’m obviously not saying Mailloux is Broberg. However, I can’t rationalize what your expectations are and why you had them inflated in the first place? Finally, you can wave your finger at the “Homers,” but what I’m seeing from those rubes is optimism supported by factual data.

I think you’ve allowed the forum trolls to skew your mindset. It’s like this whole forum requires every RHD be measured to a former Top 5 pick, who was only available because the team couldn’t win games. Those things don’t grow on trees, and can’t simply be acquired for a 3rd Line Winger taken 17th Overall. Sometimes, we can assess the asset for exactly what it is without the self-flagellation.

[MiamiLaw]

Pro
1. Improvement is better than not improvement
2. As you say there's lots of projects going on so it's a throwaway season so of all times to learn, throwaway seasons at least it's not his fault

Con
1. we are talking about improvement from an abysmal baseline (see Kyrou, Jordan) and the improvement is still openly inadequate
2. more continued misjudgment from the front office on NHL defense in a situation where everyone correctly doubts them (they expected much better than whatever this still is)

100% couldn’t say it much better

thanks I almost referenced this summer's podcasting blues universe optimism that all homers jumped on. I was going to mention the Pronger thing because, while it's a hilarious self caricature of a homer comment to say that, I felt like it was in the rearview mirror

Nope, that is still around. dear lord, just a few posts up ... the pro Mailloux side just isn't trustworthy

Yea I feel the homer in people are causing them to see something that isn’t there. Yes Mailloux has improved because he almost literally had nowhere to go but up. He was statistically the worst player in the league for about half the season. Anyone who says this is the guy who the Blues thought they were getting is either lying to us or lying to themselves.

He did have a relatively strong rush later in the game last night where he skated out of trouble behind the net which was noticeable because I hadn’t seen much of it. It didn’t amount to anything but it was at least something.

Could he end up being a decent player? Sure. But this year has not done much to add any certainty to that in my opinion.

Serious question, but is it possible your initial assessment was completely out of scope for a 21 year old w/8 NHL Games under his belt in 2 years?

Maybe I just have more respect for Blues fans on this forum, because it’s been around for +20 years, has a lot of entrenched regulars, and very knowledgeable posters who are regularly commenting on the sport beyond the FanDuel broadcasts. However, when someone has to segregate their opinion from a mass of people by declaring them “Homers,” I start to question whether that person is actually capable of introspection.

- Logan Mailloux, 31st Pick in the 2021 Draft. 7th Defenseman taken.
- It’s WIDELY UNDERSTOOD Defenseman take a while to develop. We are constantly reminded of this when reflecting on Broberg, Mikola, Walman, Chris Pronger.
- Mailloux had 7 Games (16:12 ATOI) for MTL last year. No Playoffs, and was a -5
- Mailloux will turn 23 at the end of April.
- Broberg (Top 10 Pick, 3rd Defenseman) in Edmonton over that same age interval played in just 81 Games and was at 12:24 ATOI over the duration. Mailloux at 48, likely finishes around ~80.

No, I’m obviously not saying Mailloux is Broberg. However, I can’t rationalize what your expectations are and why you had them inflated in the first place? Finally, you can wave your finger at the “Homers,” but what I’m seeing from those rubes is optimism supported by factual data.

I think you’ve allowed the forum trolls to skew your mindset. It’s like this whole forum requires every RHD be measured to a former Top 5 pick, who was only available because the team couldn’t win games. Those things don’t grow on trees, and can’t simply be acquired for a 3rd Line Winger taken 17th Overall. Sometimes, we can assess the asset for exactly what it is without the self-flagellation.

Why single me out? I’m not the only one who is underwhelmed. Yes I do think that if Mailloux played for another team, people would not be saying he looks good.

You say that the facts support the optimism. What facts? His numbers are really bad. That’s a fact. 3 points, -23. He’s the 5th worst average game score in the league for the season on hockey stat cards. He is better than he was at the beginning, but that’s a very low bar. It’s not like he’s suddenly done a 180. Saying he is greatly improved is a subjective eye test judgment. People can have differing opinions though on that.

People keep coming back to the rookie thing like he’s the only rookie defensemen. Why is every rookie dman not a -23? He’s got 3 points too. I standby what I said that there is no way the Blues thought that’s what they’d get out of him. We’ve all seen rookie dmen. I in no way said I expected him to be some world beater but he’s barely been productive at all.

I have 100% pointed out things I like about him (I did in the very post you quoted). I’ve also said his size and decent skating ability give him some tools. I’ve said I’m not writing him off. Not sure why my opinion, based on 1000s of games watched, played and reffed at all different levels, is something skewed by trolls because it’s different from yours and not rosy about him….

[Jeff Goldblum]

There seems to be a constituency on here who think that mailloux was billed as the second coming of makar.

[MiamiLaw]

How would you value that 13 game performance for a rookie defender?

He has been better lately than he was at first. He hasn’t been suddenly amazing but better. It doesn’t prove some point though that his game will continue to rise in some linear fashion with experience. He wasn’t nhl caliber at first and now he somewhat is. His production is obviously still completely lacking and he still gives the puck away quite a bit. Many other players on this team have been bad too but we’re talking Mailloux in this thread. Maybe on a stronger team he’d be better. Thats a fair point but total conjecture.