Why are Billionaire owners whining?

[mattmitchl44]

Journeyman players would get helped - a lot - if there is a salary floor set at ~50% of the salary cap.

IIRC running the numbers, if you had a $250 million salary cap and a $125 million salary floor, assuming the middle payroll teams between the cap and floor didn't change their spending, you'd have more money overall going to player salaries and those teams like Miami, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, etc. who have to raise their spending would be doing it by putting more money toward a bunch of journeyman/average players.

lol OR they would offer more money to stars and pay younger players less. Just like a certain other league.

Not enough stars to go around and they'll still be getting better offers from the teams pushing the ceiling rather than the teams at the floor.

[Cardinals1964]

Journeyman players would get helped - a lot - if there is a salary floor set at ~50% of the salary cap.

IIRC running the numbers, if you had a $250 million salary cap and a $125 million salary floor, assuming the middle payroll teams between the cap and floor didn't change their spending, you'd have more money overall going to player salaries and those teams like Miami, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, etc. who have to raise their spending would be doing it by putting more money toward a bunch of journeyman/average players.

lol OR they would offer more money to stars and pay younger players less. Just like a certain other league.

Not enough stars to go around and they'll still be getting better offers from the teams pushing the ceiling rather than the teams at the floor.

So other teams will have to pay more money on talent that really doesn’t deserve it, they are just trying to make the minimum. It isn’t going to work that way. It doesn’t work that way. There are plenty of stars to go around.

[renostl]

Journeyman players would get helped - a lot - if there is a salary floor set at ~50% of the salary cap.

IIRC running the numbers, if you had a $250 million salary cap and a $125 million salary floor, assuming the middle payroll teams between the cap and floor didn't change their spending, you'd have more money overall going to player salaries and those teams like Miami, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, etc. who have to raise their spending would be doing it by putting more money toward a bunch of journeyman/average players.

lol OR they would offer more money to stars and pay younger players less. Just like a certain other league.

Not enough stars to go around and they'll still be getting better offers from the teams pushing the ceiling rather than the teams at the floor.

Obviously it would depend on where the cap is but I think some teams would be
able to keep their stars.
What it would do is decrease the chairs at any single table, The stars are finite is true but
the list of those stars does change.

It could be better for the game. However, they could do it without any caps and in a free
market IF they would adjust rules already agreed to and eliminated some loopholes.
Odds of it happening IMO, low.

Tim Dierkes has a good take on it at MLBTR.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2026/01/ ... y-cap.html

[Galatians221jb1]

If you’re from St. Louis just remember the evil Kroenke and the Rams theft. The billionaire owners including Jerry Jones lied and manipulated our city into committing to a new stadium while all the while they were leaving illegally. They are pond scum. Never enough. Kroenke is now the largest land owner in the U. S. He will never have enough.

[renostl]

If you’re from St. Louis just remember the evil Kroenke and the Rams theft. The billionaire owners including Jerry Jones lied and manipulated our city into committing to a new stadium while all the while they were leaving illegally. They are pond scum. Never enough. Kroenke is now the largest land owner in the U. S. He will never have enough.

Us St. Louis people take the move personal.

From afar who else gets a team to LA sooner after 26 years
with deep enough pockets to build their own stadium.

It was a perfect storm when Khan didn't get the Rams

[Goldfan]

If you’re from St. Louis just remember the evil Kroenke and the Rams theft. The billionaire owners including Jerry Jones lied and manipulated our city into committing to a new stadium while all the while they were leaving illegally. They are pond scum. Never enough. Kroenke is now the largest land owner in the U. S. He will never have enough.

Us St. Louis people take the move personal.

From afar who else gets a team to LA sooner after 26 years
with deep enough pockets to build their own stadium.

It was a perfect storm when Khan didn't get the Rams

This P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] wasn’t some outsider. He is a MO boy named for Stan Musial and Enos Slaughter…..he son played ball at Mizzou. As noted above he didn’t need more money but chose greed over possibly help turn Stl around but he took Rams to LA…..lying cheating the entire time. Thats what burns

[renostl]

If you’re from St. Louis just remember the evil Kroenke and the Rams theft. The billionaire owners including Jerry Jones lied and manipulated our city into committing to a new stadium while all the while they were leaving illegally. They are pond scum. Never enough. Kroenke is now the largest land owner in the U. S. He will never have enough.

Us St. Louis people take the move personal.

From afar who else gets a team to LA sooner after 26 years
with deep enough pockets to build their own stadium.

It was a perfect storm when Khan didn't get the Rams

This P[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton] wasn’t some outsider. He is a MO boy named for Stan Musial and Enos Slaughter…..he son played ball at Mizzou. As noted above he didn’t need more money but chose greed over possibly help turn Stl around but he took Rams to LA…..lying cheating the entire time. Thats what burns

Agree with that about Stan a total[ositively] O[bnoxious] S[impleton]
Not that it matters at all to them, haven't stepped
in a Walmart since.

[TheJackBurton]

Journeyman players would get helped - a lot - if there is a salary floor set at ~50% of the salary cap.

IIRC running the numbers, if you had a $250 million salary cap and a $125 million salary floor, assuming the middle payroll teams between the cap and floor didn't change their spending, you'd have more money overall going to player salaries and those teams like Miami, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, etc. who have to raise their spending would be doing it by putting more money toward a bunch of journeyman/average players.

lol OR they would offer more money to stars and pay younger players less. Just like a certain other league.

Younger players are making more money than they ever have in cap leagues.

[Cardinals1964]

Journeyman players would get helped - a lot - if there is a salary floor set at ~50% of the salary cap.

IIRC running the numbers, if you had a $250 million salary cap and a $125 million salary floor, assuming the middle payroll teams between the cap and floor didn't change their spending, you'd have more money overall going to player salaries and those teams like Miami, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Tampa Bay, etc. who have to raise their spending would be doing it by putting more money toward a bunch of journeyman/average players.

lol OR they would offer more money to stars and pay younger players less. Just like a certain other league.

Younger players are making more money than they ever have in cap leagues.

Explain.

Edit. Don’t even answer that. There’s no point. I don’t no why MLBPA isn’t beating down the doors for a salary cap. It’s so much beneficial to them. They’d really be screwing the owners.

[CCard]

Professional sports are a hobby for them. Much like hunting or any other sport for the average human. All hobbies are fun and not designed to generate profits. These owners have hundreds of businesses that generate their wealth. I think if you asked any of them prior to buying a team that is how they envisioned it. I beleive what changes is 30 smart guys get it a room and it changes from sport to business. All of the sudden every one of them wants to be the “smartest guy in the room”. Until that changes the fans pay the freight. MLB has an ownership problem except a few at the top.

Loosing $100m per season on a hobby that value increases $200m should not be a problem

Hell, they won't even pay their regular company employee's decent wages and that's pocket change compared to baseball players. Guy's like Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Ellison etc etc made their billions by abusing the system. That they won't spring for top talent and appropriate wages or salaries is built into the system. They don't consider it being a flaw to capitalism they consider it to be a feature.

[Goldfan]

Professional sports are a hobby for them. Much like hunting or any other sport for the average human. All hobbies are fun and not designed to generate profits. These owners have hundreds of businesses that generate their wealth. I think if you asked any of them prior to buying a team that is how they envisioned it. I beleive what changes is 30 smart guys get it a room and it changes from sport to business. All of the sudden every one of them wants to be the “smartest guy in the room”. Until that changes the fans pay the freight. MLB has an ownership problem except a few at the top.

Loosing $100m per season on a hobby that value increases $200m should not be a problem

Hell, they won't even pay their regular company employee's decent wages and that's pocket change compared to baseball players. Guy's like Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Ellison etc etc made their billions by abusing the system. That they won't spring for top talent and appropriate wages or salaries is built into the system. They don't consider it being a flaw to capitalism they consider it to be a feature.

TSLA
P1 Associate Engineer: ~$115K (Hardware)
P2 Engineer: ~$153K (Hardware)
P3 Senior Engineer: ~$205K (Hardware), $182K-$450K+ (Software)
P4 Staff Engineer: ~$315K (Hardware), ~$366K (Software)
P5 Sr. Staff Engineer: ~$494K (Software)
Before stock options….should be able to eat on that.

[OldRed]

If you’re from St. Louis just remember the evil Kroenke and the Rams theft. The billionaire owners including Jerry Jones lied and manipulated our city into committing to a new stadium while all the while they were leaving illegally. They are pond scum. Never enough. Kroenke is now the largest land owner in the U. S. He will never have enough.

I got a warning for stating a football comparison. Be careful.

[CCard]

Professional sports are a hobby for them. Much like hunting or any other sport for the average human. All hobbies are fun and not designed to generate profits. These owners have hundreds of businesses that generate their wealth. I think if you asked any of them prior to buying a team that is how they envisioned it. I beleive what changes is 30 smart guys get it a room and it changes from sport to business. All of the sudden every one of them wants to be the “smartest guy in the room”. Until that changes the fans pay the freight. MLB has an ownership problem except a few at the top.

Loosing $100m per season on a hobby that value increases $200m should not be a problem

Hell, they won't even pay their regular company employee's decent wages and that's pocket change compared to baseball players. Guy's like Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Ellison etc etc made their billions by abusing the system. That they won't spring for top talent and appropriate wages or salaries is built into the system. They don't consider it being a flaw to capitalism they consider it to be a feature.

TSLA
P1 Associate Engineer: ~$115K (Hardware)
P2 Engineer: ~$153K (Hardware)
P3 Senior Engineer: ~$205K (Hardware), $182K-$450K+ (Software)
P4 Staff Engineer: ~$315K (Hardware), ~$366K (Software)
P5 Sr. Staff Engineer: ~$494K (Software)
Before stock options….should be able to eat on that.

It's well known of his penchant for H1b visas to import cheap technical help. Also, how many jobs you see advertised 60k a year or some other ridiculous number that they never really pay. Also, It's well known that Amazon, Walmart and many other corporations don't pay enough to keep their employees of of assistance. I'm sure Tesla's hiring with all the money they just game Musk and the downturn in their (bleep) product. But really, this is about the billionaires running baseball and Dewitt's attempt to cheap out. What about that?

[renostl]

Professional sports are a hobby for them. Much like hunting or any other sport for the average human. All hobbies are fun and not designed to generate profits. These owners have hundreds of businesses that generate their wealth. I think if you asked any of them prior to buying a team that is how they envisioned it. I beleive what changes is 30 smart guys get it a room and it changes from sport to business. All of the sudden every one of them wants to be the “smartest guy in the room”. Until that changes the fans pay the freight. MLB has an ownership problem except a few at the top.

Loosing $100m per season on a hobby that value increases $200m should not be a problem

Hell, they won't even pay their regular company employee's decent wages and that's pocket change compared to baseball players. Guy's like Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Ellison etc etc made their billions by abusing the system. That they won't spring for top talent and appropriate wages or salaries is built into the system. They don't consider it being a flaw to capitalism they consider it to be a feature.

TSLA
P1 Associate Engineer: ~$115K (Hardware)
P2 Engineer: ~$153K (Hardware)
P3 Senior Engineer: ~$205K (Hardware), $182K-$450K+ (Software)
P4 Staff Engineer: ~$315K (Hardware), ~$366K (Software)
P5 Sr. Staff Engineer: ~$494K (Software)
Before stock options….should be able to eat on that.

You can also look at his Reno factory jobs. They look pretty
decent until you find out that they are almost impossible to keep
and people quit as soon as they find a better offer.

After a lot of time being around, I think that if anyone is getting more than
they should at a job, that's pretty rare or we just don't fully know why they are
getting it. Entertainment is probably the exception.

[earp]

Now something funny!

Examining MLB’s Parity Situation