Could Blues reunite Snuggs with Logan Cooley?

[Galatians221jb1]

They could recreate their success at University of Minnesota. Cooley isn't tearing it up; I think he has 14 goals this season. But seems to fit nicely in a rebuild.

[bluetunehead]

Only if we’re trading Snuggs to Utah

[noted]

They could recreate their success at University of Minnesota. Cooley isn't tearing it up; I think he has 14 goals this season. But seems to fit nicely in a rebuild.

Are the Blues trading Thomas for Cooley? Cooley has been hurt which is why his goals are low right now.

[The Average Gatsby]

Only if we’re trading Snuggs to Utah

Lol yep. Utah isn’t trading Cooley.

[seattleblue]

If it's Utah the play is Thomas IMO and you get Desnoyers+ in the return

[noted]

If it's Utah the play is Thomas IMO and you get Desnoyers+ in the return

This I endorse 1000%

[zamadoo]

If it's Utah the play is Thomas IMO and you get Desnoyers+ in the return

This I endorse 1000%

+1000%

Would they take Snuggerud (or Kyrou) for Desnoyers?

[noted]

If it's Utah the play is Thomas IMO and you get Desnoyers+ in the return

This I endorse 1000%

+1000%

Would they take Snuggerud (or Kyrou) for Desnoyers?

1 for 1, no. Utah could potentiality take Kyrou and Parayko (they need defense) for Desnoyers plus a little more. But if I were them, would insist on Thomas for Desnoyers package.

[BluesDom]

If it's Utah the play is Thomas IMO and you get Desnoyers+ in the return

This I endorse 1000%

+1000%

Would they take Snuggerud (or Kyrou) for Desnoyers?

1 for 1, no. Utah could potentiality take Kyrou and Parayko (they need defense) for Desnoyers plus a little more. But if I were them, would insist on Thomas for Desnoyers package.

THats stupid.
Thomas gets you more than a prospect. Desnoyers is far from a sure thing. This whole thread is far-fetched. No offense.

[seattleblue]

I would rebut that if the idea was literally "Desnoyers+" – which it was – then what's stupid is repeating that as if there's no plus written there, because that's called being an unreliable narrator

[BluesDom]

I would rebut that if the idea was literally "Desnoyers+" – which it was – then what's stupid is repeating that as if there's no plus written there, because that's called being an unreliable narrator

IMHO. Desnoyers(+) for Thomas is silly.(my opinion) I need someone halfway proven. Desnoyers is not in the NHL. He was a product of Pekarcik. Is he all that? Having a down year imho.

[zamadoo]

I would rebut that if the idea was literally "Desnoyers+" – which it was – then what's stupid is repeating that as if there's no plus written there, because that's called being an unreliable narrator

Yeah, that's why I posed the alternative(s).

What is the distance in value between Kyrou/Snuggerud and Thomas?

I would think the + for Thomas (might also include more than just Thomas) would be a roster player and some sort of future package.

What would we add to Kyrou/Snugg for them to trade Desnoyers? Or is the position of center that important a factor? (I tend to think it is)

[BluesDom]

I would rebut that if the idea was literally "Desnoyers+" – which it was – then what's stupid is repeating that as if there's no plus written there, because that's called being an unreliable narrator

Yeah, that's why I posed the alternative(s).

What is the distance in value between Kyrou/Snuggerud and Thomas?

I would think the + for Thomas (might also include more than just Thomas) would be a roster player and some sort of future package.

What would we add to Kyrou/Snugg for them to trade Desnoyers? Or is the position of center that important a factor? (I tend to think it is)

You are overvaluing a prospect. NHL players are worth more.
Desnoyers has lower value than Kyrou. He has lower value than Snuggerud imho.

What has he done? He got drafted? Is he dominating the AHL? Has he played in the NHL? no and no
Can he take a hit? Is he a 30 pt NHl'er. Is he a40 pt NHL'er is he a 70 pt NhL'er? Hes a risk.

[zamadoo]

I would rebut that if the idea was literally "Desnoyers+" – which it was – then what's stupid is repeating that as if there's no plus written there, because that's called being an unreliable narrator

Yeah, that's why I posed the alternative(s).

What is the distance in value between Kyrou/Snuggerud and Thomas?

I would think the + for Thomas (might also include more than just Thomas) would be a roster player and some sort of future package.

What would we add to Kyrou/Snugg for them to trade Desnoyers? Or is the position of center that important a factor? (I tend to think it is)

You are overvaluing a prospect. NHL players are worth more.
Desnoyers has lower value than Kyrou. He has lower value than Snuggerud imho.

What has he done? He got drafted? Is he dominating the AHL? Has he played in the NHL? no and no
Can he take a hit? Is he a 30 pt NHl'er. Is he a40 pt NHL'er is he a 70 pt NhL'er? Hes a risk.

I agree that there is validity in your argument and inquiry. I also think there are other factors that even the value, including the risk curve.

Snuggerud has proven nothing, other than that he can take an NHL hit (though he did have wrist surgery this season and missed weeks).

We risk holding Kyrou. We risk holding anyone on this roster right now.

It's doubtful that they would trade Desnoyers. Why?

[seattleblue]

I would rebut that if the idea was literally "Desnoyers+" – which it was – then what's stupid is repeating that as if there's no plus written there, because that's called being an unreliable narrator

IMHO. Desnoyers(+) for Thomas is silly.(my opinion) I need someone halfway proven. Desnoyers is not in the NHL. He was a product of Pekarcik. Is he all that? Having a down year imho.

"he was a product of Pekarcik" eliminates you as reliable on this. full stop.

The deeper issue is some are going to reject any trade with Thomas though because they haven't yet accepted that Thomas is going to be the best player in whatever deal if he is dealt. That's what it would be. You'd trade Thomas for a blue chip 1C +, which is what this is. That's how the hockey trades generally go. If Thomas is dealt people are going to be disappointed but if he's dealt (and he's the only player going out) then I would anticipate it being in the ballpark of Blue Chip prospect at the center position + 1st round pick + someone's 9th best forward on their roster.

I personally believe Desnoyers is likely going to be better than Thomas, and he is easily a blue chip 1C prospect who I covet. So the plus would be coming in prospect additions, and Utah's system is ideal for that right now. Utah would be spending their prospect capital and we would be getting high end talent in return for a proven center on a value contract.

[BluesDom]

I would rebut that if the idea was literally "Desnoyers+" – which it was – then what's stupid is repeating that as if there's no plus written there, because that's called being an unreliable narrator

IMHO. Desnoyers(+) for Thomas is silly.(my opinion) I need someone halfway proven. Desnoyers is not in the NHL. He was a product of Pekarcik. Is he all that? Having a down year imho.

"he was a product of Pekarcik" eliminates you as reliable on this. full stop.
It doesnt. Just as reliable as any of you. All of us spouting opinions. Good or bad. Hes a prospect. Im not trading Thomas for this. or Kyrou. IMHO

The deeper issue is some are going to reject any trade with Thomas though because they haven't yet accepted that Thomas is going to be the best player in whatever deal if he is dealt. That's what it would be. You'd trade Thomas for a blue chip 1C +, which is what this is. That's how the hockey trades generally go. If Thomas is dealt people are going to be disappointed but if he's dealt (and he's the only player going out) then I would anticipate it being in the ballpark of Blue Chip prospect at the center position + 1st round pick + someone's 9th best forward on their roster.

I personally believe Desnoyers is likely going to be better than Thomas, and he is easily a blue chip 1C prospect who I covet. So the plus would be coming in prospect additions, and Utah's system is ideal for that right now. Utah would be spending their prospect capital and we would be getting high end talent in return.

Desnoyers is a partial bust/overhyped imho. Or will not produce like Thomas or Kyrou. Most do not. I may be wrong. I feel that he will be another Jonathan Drouin. Just an opinion.