Torp extended

[Bacchk29]

Justin Sourdif 3rd round pick Caps. Makes league min. Currently playing 14 min a night close comp to Torpo. 5 point night against the Ducks last night. Has 18 pts in 42 games. Speed 6’2 bottom 6 minutes. That’s the difference between bad talent evaluation and cap management and good. He’s 23 Torpo 27.

What do you think he'll make at age 27?

If he sucks he won’t be in the league at 27. That’s where Torpo is. No team in the league but the Blues signs him to that contract.

You act like they signed him to $12M a year contract. Good lord.

The point is, you give 2.5/yr to Torp, we were paying Tex 2.1 before we were able to dump him, whatever Joseph is making….those numbers add up with not much to show for it

The point you are missing though is that its not like we turned better players away to sign those contracts. Cap space don't score goals.

Neither does Torpo Walker Sundqvist Joseph Bjugstad

[Jeff Goldblum]

Justin Sourdif 3rd round pick Caps. Makes league min. Currently playing 14 min a night close comp to Torpo. 5 point night against the Ducks last night. Has 18 pts in 42 games. Speed 6’2 bottom 6 minutes. That’s the difference between bad talent evaluation and cap management and good. He’s 23 Torpo 27.

What do you think he'll make at age 27?

If he sucks he won’t be in the league at 27. That’s where Torpo is. No team in the league but the Blues signs him to that contract.

You act like they signed him to $12M a year contract. Good lord.

The point is, you give 2.5/yr to Torp, we were paying Tex 2.1 before we were able to dump him, whatever Joseph is making….those numbers add up with not much to show for it

33% of your 3/4 lines are making $4.5M. Extrapolate that to $13.5M for your bottom 2 lines of a $97M cap. Thats 13% spent on your bottom 2 lines.

They’re last in the league in scoring. Part of the reason is your bottom 6 produces next to nothing to supplement the top 6. He’s part of that. So you double down and extend him? I say again nobody in the league signs him for that money.

The main reason they aren't scoring goals is because the entire team is allergic to shooting. Toropchenko, Tucker, Faulk and snuggerud are the only players on the team with a shoot first mentality. You're blowing a gasket because they gave a guy who pressures the other team better than anyone else, kills penalties, forces turnovers $2M.

[skilles]

Justin Sourdif 3rd round pick Caps. Makes league min. Currently playing 14 min a night close comp to Torpo. 5 point night against the Ducks last night. Has 18 pts in 42 games. Speed 6’2 bottom 6 minutes. That’s the difference between bad talent evaluation and cap management and good. He’s 23 Torpo 27.

What do you think he'll make at age 27?

If he sucks he won’t be in the league at 27. That’s where Torpo is. No team in the league but the Blues signs him to that contract.

You act like they signed him to $12M a year contract. Good lord.

The point is, you give 2.5/yr to Torp, we were paying Tex 2.1 before we were able to dump him, whatever Joseph is making….those numbers add up with not much to show for it

The point you are missing though is that its not like we turned better players away to sign those contracts. Cap space don't score goals.

Neither does Torpo Walker Sundqvist Joseph Bjugstad

Stat sheet says they have 13 goals, how many does cap space have?

[juan good eye]

My philosophy in a cap league (or limited payroll like MLB Cardinals) is never spend market rate on jags and average/replaceable players.

Will doing it once on a player like Torpo kill the payroll and team? Of course not but Army has done so time and time again leaving no room for error.

Cap team. Medium roster talent. Bottom of standings. Torpo keeps dumb fans distracted.

[Jeff Goldblum]

My philosophy in a cap league (or limited payroll like MLB Cardinals) is never spend market rate on jags and average/replaceable players.

Will doing it once on a player like Torpo kill the payroll and team? Of course not but Army has done so time and time again leaving no room for error.

Cap team. Medium roster talent. Bottom of standings. Torpo keeps dumb fans distracted.

He does keep fans like you distracted.

[Bacchk29]

My philosophy in a cap league (or limited payroll like MLB Cardinals) is never spend market rate on jags and average/replaceable players.

Will doing it once on a player like Torpo kill the payroll and team? Of course not but Army has done so time and time again leaving no room for error.

Cap team. Medium roster talent. Bottom of standings. Torpo keeps dumb fans distracted.

Over market rate at that. Sunny would have been out of the league 2 years ago. Cap space can be used on better players that are more productive offensively. You don’t overspend on JAGs when you’re last in the league in scoring. It’s bad cap management.

[skilles]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

[smilinjoefission]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

We're a sub .500 team...who cares if we're worse. Now we have to wait 2 more years for something as you said doesn't make us better in the meantime, and ignores the fact we'll have players getting healthy soon.

[Ziggy3]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

This is a great post.

Yeah, it's a cap league, but obsessively nickel-and-diming a roster causes its own problems too. I personally want to see more from Toro, even as a 4th-liner, but he's a native Blue, puts in the work and seems to have a positive attitude. Those things are worth something too, and this signing is just fine.

[skilles]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

We're a sub .500 team...who cares if we're worse. Now we have to wait 2 more years for something as you said doesn't make us better in the meantime, and ignores the fact we'll have players getting healthy soon.

No we don't, this contract along with Walker,Sunny, etc. can and will be gotten rid of at any moment just like Texier if better options open up and cap space is needed. Meanwhile they are keeping us right in the playoff hunt.

Its ignorant, none of these players are hurting us at all, they are 0 risk. This signing has no downside at all.

If you are starving you can plant crops and you can hunt but meanwhile you are going to have to eat whats on your plate if you wanna see those crops grow and survive to hunt another day.

[Bacchk29]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

By that definition, we have no choice but to draft and develop because we will never have the cap space to compete for top players in free agency. So the Blues will always be mediocre unless they hit on a game breaker like Kucherov in the 5th round or the several 2nd rounders that Dallas has hit on over the years. Neat.

[skilles]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

By that definition, we have no choice but to draft and develop because we will never have the cap space to compete for top players in free agency. So the Blues will always be mediocre unless they hit on a game breaker like Kucherov in the 5th round or the several 2nd rounders that Dallas has hit on over the years. Neat.

Kind of yes, the Blues absolutely have to draft and develop and that should always be the primary strategy for a small Midwest team but no that does not mean the Blues couldn't compete in free agency if by chance a top free agent wants to sign. They would simply have to clear some cap space if that opportunity arrives which is almost certainly not going to ever happen if we don't try to remain competitive.

What you want the Blues to do would do nothing but lead to more of the very thing you are complaining about. What you want the Blues to do is exactly how many teams end up in an indefinite rebuild.

[Bacchk29]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

By that definition, we have no choice but to draft and develop because we will never have the cap space to compete for top players in free agency. So the Blues will always be mediocre unless they hit on a game breaker like Kucherov in the 5th round or the several 2nd rounders that Dallas has hit on over the years. Neat.

Kind of yes, the Blues absolutely have to draft and develop and that should always be the primary strategy for a small Midwest team but no that does not mean the Blues couldn't compete in free agency if by chance a top free agent wants to sign. They would simply have to clear some cap space if that opportunity arrives which is almost certainly not going to ever happen if we don't try to remain competitive.

What you want the Blues to do would do nothing but lead to more of the very thing you are complaining about. What you want the Blues to do is exactly how many teams end up in an indefinite rebuild.

Sign JAGs to overvalued contracts? When free agency hits you don’t have cap space to pay them if you’re saddled with bad contracts with no options for the club. This has been the case with Army for years, painting himself into a corner. Cap spent is cap spent market size doesn’t matter. The Blues are profitable and have been for some time. The other side of it is your recent first rounders look like middle of the road 40 pt a year forwards. No game breakers with maybe the exception of Snuggerud. That remains to be seen.

[gpe13579]

Trade Binnington as they should.

Don't over pay for JAGS.

Have money to get an impact player in free agency.

For a team that spends to the cap and is a middling performing team currently a key free agent add can make a huge difference.

I would hate for them to actually be smart enough to trade Binnington (regardless of the return), target a key free agent that can make a big difference and lose out by a million because they had to have Toro because he likes it here and he tries hard and somehow that has value.

[somni]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

This is a great post.

Yeah, it's a cap league, but obsessively nickel-and-diming a roster causes its own problems too. I personally want to see more from Toro, even as a 4th-liner, but he's a native Blue, puts in the work and seems to have a positive attitude. Those things are worth something too, and this signing is just fine.

I agree. I want more from Torp. It appears they are looking to expand his role in the PK and such. That's would be great for the 4th liner. I just want his production to get up, something to the 10-12 goal mark.

As for as cost. His cap hit has been and will be this:
23/24 - 1.50%
24/25 - 1.42%
25/26 - 1.78%
26/27 - 2.40%
27/28 - 2.20%

That's not bad as someone who can be relied on in their role. And as you said, is a homegrown Blue. I can only imagine that if we let him go, the cries for letting a drafted Blue leave will be pronounced.

[skilles]

Its amazing to me how much people don't understand how this works, we don't have a cap space problem. We have a lack of options and the more you let players go because they are not the absolute cure the more of a problem that becomes.

Take a Texier for example, we brought him in because we didn't have any better options. As soon as we needed the cap space or had better options we simply got rid of him same with Sunny, Joseph, Toro, Walker etc.

I get it, it is easy to hate the bottom half of the lineup when we are not very good but we are not cap space away from turning it around. Even Buch is a similar situation and Fowler. These players we are signing are the best players available to us right now.

Not having these guys won't make us better, it will make us worse and make what good players we do have want to leave first chance they get and make the pool of any good players willing to come here even smaller.

By that definition, we have no choice but to draft and develop because we will never have the cap space to compete for top players in free agency. So the Blues will always be mediocre unless they hit on a game breaker like Kucherov in the 5th round or the several 2nd rounders that Dallas has hit on over the years. Neat.

Kind of yes, the Blues absolutely have to draft and develop and that should always be the primary strategy for a small Midwest team but no that does not mean the Blues couldn't compete in free agency if by chance a top free agent wants to sign. They would simply have to clear some cap space if that opportunity arrives which is almost certainly not going to ever happen if we don't try to remain competitive.

What you want the Blues to do would do nothing but lead to more of the very thing you are complaining about. What you want the Blues to do is exactly how many teams end up in an indefinite rebuild.

Sign JAGs to overvalued contracts? When free agency hits you don’t have cap space to pay them if you’re saddled with bad contracts with no options for the club. This has been the case with Army for years, painting himself into a corner. Cap spent is cap spent market size doesn’t matter. The Blues are profitable and have been for some time. The other side of it is your recent first rounders look like middle of the road 40 pt a year forwards. No game breakers with maybe the exception of Snuggerud. That remains to be seen.

Well I tried to explain it to you.