How much money will DeWitt and company lose with 3-5 years of tanking?

[CCard]

Are the Cardinals even eligible for a top 10 lottery pick? I can’t remember. Rule is there to stop tanking. A rebuild could look like tanking. Use whatever word you want. Who cares. Rebuild, tweaking, sandbagging, tanking, who cares.

When you plan on intentionally losing, that's the very definition of tanking.

They won’t intentionally lose.

Not putting competitive product on the field IS intentionally losing.

[CCard]

He wont lose one cent, he has drastically reduced expenses to offset the revenue loss.

Sorry, but he hasn’t reduced expenses that much. Not even close.
He is drawing 1.2 million less and his 50 million dollar television contract is in the krapper. You don’t make up that type of revenue overnight, much less ever.
Dewitt is stripping the team down to the studs by unloading every expensive contract because he knows the labor situation will not be solved by opening day 2027. Until he knows what the framework of a new deal consists of…he will continue to keep his wallet closed.
If the new labor deal isn’t to his liking…he will sell the team with no long term contracts on the books. It’s how sports business works.
I would say odds are Less than 50/50 he still owns the team in 2028.

I don’t know why people keep saying the wallet is closed. They sent 20 million to the redsox to get better prospects back in the gray trade then spent 12 million on basically a gamble in may so they saved what 3 million on gray? They sent more money to the red Sox for Contreras to get better prospects back and are going to spend even more money by the end of the offseason. So they got two big league ready starters back and one pitcher with a big arm for a guy who can’t pitch on the road or heat

LOL...Big league ready starters. Put the pipe down. Neither pitcher is proven. Neither is the "Prospects" they got in the salary dump for Contreras. Just look at team payroll and that'll tell you why people say the wallet is closed.

Contreras got us Dobbins, who would’ve led the 2025 cardinals in starter ERA, as well as the Sox #23 best prospect.

Hunter Dobbins is a professional baseball pitcher for the Boston Red Sox, having made his MLB debut on April 6, 2025. He was drafted in the eighth round of the 2021 MLB Draft and has a career record of 4 wins and 1 loss with an earned run average of 4.13 as of the end of the 2025 season.

We're saved!

[Goldfan]

getting rid of 2 of our top 3 players - we will be lucky to win 70 games next year and many of us will not be going to the park anymore at least until the tank job is over!

Baffles me that fans can't grasp the difference between tanking and a rebuild.

-In "tanking," you get rid of ALL players possible that hold any value and/or are due an upcoming payday. Even if they're young and could potentially be part of the future in 3-5 years, you get rid of anyone you can who's above replacement level because the goal is to lose as many games as possible to attain the highest possible draft picks for as long as the "tanking" lasts.

-In a rebuild, you trade all players of value who are too old or, for whatever reason, not part of the team's 3-5 year future plan in return for draft picks, prospects, or young MLB-ready players that are part of the team's future and/or 3-5 year plan. Unlike tanking, rebuilding teams ARE trying to win and compete as quickly as they can, but are willing to endure a couple down seasons for the hope of a longer, successful run in the near future.

To sum up:

-Tanking: blows up the team with the intention of finishing dead last if possible in order to acquire as many top draft picks for as long as the tanking lasts

-Rebuilding: trading away players not part of the future to acquire assets who are part of the future. Willing to accept a couple down seasons for the hope of a longer, successful franchise in the near future. While top draft picks are great if the team gets them, the team is still trying to win as quickly as they can.

Who in this starting lineup makes any money??
2026 starting lineup
C Herrera
1b Burly
2b JJ
SS Winn
3b Gorman
LF Noot
CF Scott
RF Walker
DH Who Knows

May
Libby
McGreevy
Fitts
Pallente

None of them make a substantial salary and are all young enough to be part of the 3-5 year future plan. Which is precisely why they're all part of the rebuild.

We’ve been “Rebuilding” a couple years now, at least….with Burly, WInn, Gorman, Noot, Scott, Walker. How’s it going??

They've been rebuilding on the fly or to take a term from Blues GM Armstrong, it's been more of a "retool."

And the "retool" failed miserably, for a multitude of reasons. Which is why I'm glad they've decided to stop prolonging the torture and embrace the full rebuild process.

Can we all at least come to an agreement that the Cards had an imbecile or at least someone who was being told what to do by ownership acting as an imbecile that got the org in this position many of you keep referring to……”this is what we’ve been doing for years, adding vets, doing that and it’s failed”……WELL ITS FAILED BECAUSE THEY MADE THE WRONG PLAYERS CHOICES. It isn’t because the spent $$$ if was because they spent it on the
WRONG players….its because they waste years of MLB starter time these prospect who become nothing. It’s not because finding the right FA and right trade talent doesn’t work. It’s because the Cardinals/MO didn’t find the right FA, the correct prospects to keep, the correct trade return. But now all you think that going this route just can’t work going forward……BECAUSE IDIOTS HAVE SCREWED THIS PROCESS UP FOR 5-6 YRS

Well the cardinals can’t and won’t be able to spend their way out of the mess mo got them into. Mo was awful no debate there and Dewitt was an idiot for keeping him around as long as it did but theirs is no way the cardinals can fix this team by spending. The only way to fix it is to be able to produce players that actually contribute then spend money to augment them with free agents. You don’t like the rebuild I knew you wouldn’t you wouldn’t like anything the cardinals did anyway so no surprise there. Cardinals signed gray and Contreras you complained cardinals traded gray and Contreras you complained

Oz
I suggested he take up knitting, stamp or coin collecting.
Don’t think he has the stomach for team sports???

lol no kidding or just play video game baseball where he can be GM and trade burly and a catching prospect for tatis and spend unlimited money on every player he wants to of course he would probably still complain about the moves he makes

All your playful banter back and forth is highly entertaining…..but other than repeating the Cards party line…..why are you so cocksure that this exact plan you think is being implemented will transform the org into the promise land? Faith, Hope??

Because the plan of destroying the develop system in order to sign mediocre and mid tier free agents has failed spectacularly when what you’re doing fails over and over you have to try something else and I get it you think fixing the farm system and the development system so it produces productive players is a bad thing I don’t. And why do I think it will work? Because it’s a rational plan it’s a smart plan it’s a clear direction which they never had before.

The PLAN wasn’t to destroy the development system. Listen REALLY CLOSELY HERE:
For some unknown disillusioned reason BDW/MO thought they were the secret sauce brilliant brain trust after the amazing Pujols/TLR/Dunc fueled success between 2000-2011
They hired an unproven controllable Manager in Matheny
They brought in an analytics GM
They gutted old school scouts, coaches, directors in the minor leagues.
Mo wanted to be the new age Branch Rickey and went about it destroying decades of Cardinals Way George Kissel baseball fundamentals.
They fired Matheny, brought in another unknown who they thought they could control, they fired him and hired a 35yr old nobody and a college pitching coach.
We all now see what their PLAN has produced. This has nothing to do with not being able to have vibrant minor leagues system while PAYING some VETS on the ML Team.
You are a brainwashed lackey if you actually believe what you typed.

[Ozziesfan41]

Baffles me that fans can't grasp the difference between tanking and a rebuild.

-In "tanking," you get rid of ALL players possible that hold any value and/or are due an upcoming payday. Even if they're young and could potentially be part of the future in 3-5 years, you get rid of anyone you can who's above replacement level because the goal is to lose as many games as possible to attain the highest possible draft picks for as long as the "tanking" lasts.

-In a rebuild, you trade all players of value who are too old or, for whatever reason, not part of the team's 3-5 year future plan in return for draft picks, prospects, or young MLB-ready players that are part of the team's future and/or 3-5 year plan. Unlike tanking, rebuilding teams ARE trying to win and compete as quickly as they can, but are willing to endure a couple down seasons for the hope of a longer, successful run in the near future.

To sum up:

-Tanking: blows up the team with the intention of finishing dead last if possible in order to acquire as many top draft picks for as long as the tanking lasts

-Rebuilding: trading away players not part of the future to acquire assets who are part of the future. Willing to accept a couple down seasons for the hope of a longer, successful franchise in the near future. While top draft picks are great if the team gets them, the team is still trying to win as quickly as they can.

Who in this starting lineup makes any money??
2026 starting lineup
C Herrera
1b Burly
2b JJ
SS Winn
3b Gorman
LF Noot
CF Scott
RF Walker
DH Who Knows

May
Libby
McGreevy
Fitts
Pallente

None of them make a substantial salary and are all young enough to be part of the 3-5 year future plan. Which is precisely why they're all part of the rebuild.

We’ve been “Rebuilding” a couple years now, at least….with Burly, WInn, Gorman, Noot, Scott, Walker. How’s it going??

They've been rebuilding on the fly or to take a term from Blues GM Armstrong, it's been more of a "retool."

And the "retool" failed miserably, for a multitude of reasons. Which is why I'm glad they've decided to stop prolonging the torture and embrace the full rebuild process.

Can we all at least come to an agreement that the Cards had an imbecile or at least someone who was being told what to do by ownership acting as an imbecile that got the org in this position many of you keep referring to……”this is what we’ve been doing for years, adding vets, doing that and it’s failed”……WELL ITS FAILED BECAUSE THEY MADE THE WRONG PLAYERS CHOICES. It isn’t because the spent $$$ if was because they spent it on the
WRONG players….its because they waste years of MLB starter time these prospect who become nothing. It’s not because finding the right FA and right trade talent doesn’t work. It’s because the Cardinals/MO didn’t find the right FA, the correct prospects to keep, the correct trade return. But now all you think that going this route just can’t work going forward……BECAUSE IDIOTS HAVE SCREWED THIS PROCESS UP FOR 5-6 YRS

Well the cardinals can’t and won’t be able to spend their way out of the mess mo got them into. Mo was awful no debate there and Dewitt was an idiot for keeping him around as long as it did but theirs is no way the cardinals can fix this team by spending. The only way to fix it is to be able to produce players that actually contribute then spend money to augment them with free agents. You don’t like the rebuild I knew you wouldn’t you wouldn’t like anything the cardinals did anyway so no surprise there. Cardinals signed gray and Contreras you complained cardinals traded gray and Contreras you complained

Oz
I suggested he take up knitting, stamp or coin collecting.
Don’t think he has the stomach for team sports???

lol no kidding or just play video game baseball where he can be GM and trade burly and a catching prospect for tatis and spend unlimited money on every player he wants to of course he would probably still complain about the moves he makes

All your playful banter back and forth is highly entertaining…..but other than repeating the Cards party line…..why are you so cocksure that this exact plan you think is being implemented will transform the org into the promise land? Faith, Hope??

Because the plan of destroying the develop system in order to sign mediocre and mid tier free agents has failed spectacularly when what you’re doing fails over and over you have to try something else and I get it you think fixing the farm system and the development system so it produces productive players is a bad thing I don’t. And why do I think it will work? Because it’s a rational plan it’s a smart plan it’s a clear direction which they never had before.

The PLAN wasn’t to destroy the development system. Listen REALLY CLOSELY HERE:
For some unknown disillusioned reason BDW/MO thought they were the secret sauce brilliant brain trust after the amazing Pujols/TLR/Dunc fueled success between 2000-2011
They hired an unproven controllable Manager in Matheny
They brought in an analytics GM
They gutted old school scouts, coaches, directors in the minor leagues.
Mo wanted to be the new age Branch Rickey and went about it destroying decades of Cardinals Way George Kissel baseball fundamentals.
They fired Matheny, brought in another unknown who they thought they could control, they fired him and hired a 35yr old nobody and a college pitching coach.
We all now see what their PLAN has produced. This has nothing to do with not being able to have vibrant minor leagues system while PAYING some VETS on the ML Team.
You are a brainwashed lackey if you actually believe what you typed.

You literally just confirmed exactly what I said. I said they gutted the development system and no longer were able develop players that were ready you wanted to argue and confirmed exactly what I said by saying they gutted scouts coaches and directors in the minor leagues then accuse me of
Being a brainwashed lackey when u agreed with me lol they are now fixing what mo broke he even admitted he gutted the minors development to spend on the majors and MM sucked so there’s that

[Goldfan]

Who in this starting lineup makes any money??
2026 starting lineup
C Herrera
1b Burly
2b JJ
SS Winn
3b Gorman
LF Noot
CF Scott
RF Walker
DH Who Knows

May
Libby
McGreevy
Fitts
Pallente

None of them make a substantial salary and are all young enough to be part of the 3-5 year future plan. Which is precisely why they're all part of the rebuild.

We’ve been “Rebuilding” a couple years now, at least….with Burly, WInn, Gorman, Noot, Scott, Walker. How’s it going??

They've been rebuilding on the fly or to take a term from Blues GM Armstrong, it's been more of a "retool."

And the "retool" failed miserably, for a multitude of reasons. Which is why I'm glad they've decided to stop prolonging the torture and embrace the full rebuild process.

Can we all at least come to an agreement that the Cards had an imbecile or at least someone who was being told what to do by ownership acting as an imbecile that got the org in this position many of you keep referring to……”this is what we’ve been doing for years, adding vets, doing that and it’s failed”……WELL ITS FAILED BECAUSE THEY MADE THE WRONG PLAYERS CHOICES. It isn’t because the spent $$$ if was because they spent it on the
WRONG players….its because they waste years of MLB starter time these prospect who become nothing. It’s not because finding the right FA and right trade talent doesn’t work. It’s because the Cardinals/MO didn’t find the right FA, the correct prospects to keep, the correct trade return. But now all you think that going this route just can’t work going forward……BECAUSE IDIOTS HAVE SCREWED THIS PROCESS UP FOR 5-6 YRS

Well the cardinals can’t and won’t be able to spend their way out of the mess mo got them into. Mo was awful no debate there and Dewitt was an idiot for keeping him around as long as it did but theirs is no way the cardinals can fix this team by spending. The only way to fix it is to be able to produce players that actually contribute then spend money to augment them with free agents. You don’t like the rebuild I knew you wouldn’t you wouldn’t like anything the cardinals did anyway so no surprise there. Cardinals signed gray and Contreras you complained cardinals traded gray and Contreras you complained

Oz
I suggested he take up knitting, stamp or coin collecting.
Don’t think he has the stomach for team sports???

lol no kidding or just play video game baseball where he can be GM and trade burly and a catching prospect for tatis and spend unlimited money on every player he wants to of course he would probably still complain about the moves he makes

All your playful banter back and forth is highly entertaining…..but other than repeating the Cards party line…..why are you so cocksure that this exact plan you think is being implemented will transform the org into the promise land? Faith, Hope??

Because the plan of destroying the develop system in order to sign mediocre and mid tier free agents has failed spectacularly when what you’re doing fails over and over you have to try something else and I get it you think fixing the farm system and the development system so it produces productive players is a bad thing I don’t. And why do I think it will work? Because it’s a rational plan it’s a smart plan it’s a clear direction which they never had before.

The PLAN wasn’t to destroy the development system. Listen REALLY CLOSELY HERE:
For some unknown disillusioned reason BDW/MO thought they were the secret sauce brilliant brain trust after the amazing Pujols/TLR/Dunc fueled success between 2000-2011
They hired an unproven controllable Manager in Matheny
They brought in an analytics GM
They gutted old school scouts, coaches, directors in the minor leagues.
Mo wanted to be the new age Branch Rickey and went about it destroying decades of Cardinals Way George Kissel baseball fundamentals.
They fired Matheny, brought in another unknown who they thought they could control, they fired him and hired a 35yr old nobody and a college pitching coach.
We all now see what their PLAN has produced. This has nothing to do with not being able to have vibrant minor leagues system while PAYING some VETS on the ML Team.
You are a brainwashed lackey if you actually believe what you typed.

You literally just confirmed exactly what I said. I said they gutted the development system and no longer were able develop players that were ready you wanted to argue and confirmed exactly what I said by saying they gutted scouts coaches and directors in the minor leagues then accuse me of
Being a brainwashed lackey when u agreed with me lol they are now fixing what mo broke he even admitted he gutted the minors development to spend on the majors and MM sucked so there’s that

You’re brainwashed with this notion that they couldn’t have a robust minor league system AND VET MLB TALENT. It has nothing to do with money. BDW/MO thought that the organization only needed them and some wonderful analytics program to cultivate a winning team. You still believe BDW can’t have a 180mil payroll while building a minor league system. You’ve written it many times over the last few weeks.

[Ozziesfan41]

None of them make a substantial salary and are all young enough to be part of the 3-5 year future plan. Which is precisely why they're all part of the rebuild.

We’ve been “Rebuilding” a couple years now, at least….with Burly, WInn, Gorman, Noot, Scott, Walker. How’s it going??

They've been rebuilding on the fly or to take a term from Blues GM Armstrong, it's been more of a "retool."

And the "retool" failed miserably, for a multitude of reasons. Which is why I'm glad they've decided to stop prolonging the torture and embrace the full rebuild process.

Can we all at least come to an agreement that the Cards had an imbecile or at least someone who was being told what to do by ownership acting as an imbecile that got the org in this position many of you keep referring to……”this is what we’ve been doing for years, adding vets, doing that and it’s failed”……WELL ITS FAILED BECAUSE THEY MADE THE WRONG PLAYERS CHOICES. It isn’t because the spent $$$ if was because they spent it on the
WRONG players….its because they waste years of MLB starter time these prospect who become nothing. It’s not because finding the right FA and right trade talent doesn’t work. It’s because the Cardinals/MO didn’t find the right FA, the correct prospects to keep, the correct trade return. But now all you think that going this route just can’t work going forward……BECAUSE IDIOTS HAVE SCREWED THIS PROCESS UP FOR 5-6 YRS

Well the cardinals can’t and won’t be able to spend their way out of the mess mo got them into. Mo was awful no debate there and Dewitt was an idiot for keeping him around as long as it did but theirs is no way the cardinals can fix this team by spending. The only way to fix it is to be able to produce players that actually contribute then spend money to augment them with free agents. You don’t like the rebuild I knew you wouldn’t you wouldn’t like anything the cardinals did anyway so no surprise there. Cardinals signed gray and Contreras you complained cardinals traded gray and Contreras you complained

Oz
I suggested he take up knitting, stamp or coin collecting.
Don’t think he has the stomach for team sports???

lol no kidding or just play video game baseball where he can be GM and trade burly and a catching prospect for tatis and spend unlimited money on every player he wants to of course he would probably still complain about the moves he makes

All your playful banter back and forth is highly entertaining…..but other than repeating the Cards party line…..why are you so cocksure that this exact plan you think is being implemented will transform the org into the promise land? Faith, Hope??

Because the plan of destroying the develop system in order to sign mediocre and mid tier free agents has failed spectacularly when what you’re doing fails over and over you have to try something else and I get it you think fixing the farm system and the development system so it produces productive players is a bad thing I don’t. And why do I think it will work? Because it’s a rational plan it’s a smart plan it’s a clear direction which they never had before.

The PLAN wasn’t to destroy the development system. Listen REALLY CLOSELY HERE:
For some unknown disillusioned reason BDW/MO thought they were the secret sauce brilliant brain trust after the amazing Pujols/TLR/Dunc fueled success between 2000-2011
They hired an unproven controllable Manager in Matheny
They brought in an analytics GM
They gutted old school scouts, coaches, directors in the minor leagues.
Mo wanted to be the new age Branch Rickey and went about it destroying decades of Cardinals Way George Kissel baseball fundamentals.
They fired Matheny, brought in another unknown who they thought they could control, they fired him and hired a 35yr old nobody and a college pitching coach.
We all now see what their PLAN has produced. This has nothing to do with not being able to have vibrant minor leagues system while PAYING some VETS on the ML Team.
You are a brainwashed lackey if you actually believe what you typed.

You literally just confirmed exactly what I said. I said they gutted the development system and no longer were able develop players that were ready you wanted to argue and confirmed exactly what I said by saying they gutted scouts coaches and directors in the minor leagues then accuse me of
Being a brainwashed lackey when u agreed with me lol they are now fixing what mo broke he even admitted he gutted the minors development to spend on the majors and MM sucked so there’s that

You’re brainwashed with this notion that they couldn’t have a robust minor league system AND VET MLB TALENT. It has nothing to do with money. BDW/MO thought that the organization only needed them and some wonderful analytics program to cultivate a winning team. You still believe BDW can’t have a 180mil payroll while building a minor league system. You’ve written it many times over the last few weeks.

They can and will. But first they have to rebuild the team that can actually win and that means developing a core you can spend to build around. Gray is not a core piece Contreras was not a core piece Donovan is not a core piece they are players you sign to supplement a good core. You’ve been completely brainwashed to believe this team is one or two moves away from being able to actually win something you are wrong very wrong. And as I have said repeatedly they will be spending more money this offseason you’re the only one saying they aren’t going to spend anymore money. And you’ve also been brainwashed into thinking every player will hurry up and sign with a team that is rebuilding

[imyourhuckleberry]

We’ve been “Rebuilding” a couple years now, at least….with Burly, WInn, Gorman, Noot, Scott, Walker. How’s it going??

They've been rebuilding on the fly or to take a term from Blues GM Armstrong, it's been more of a "retool."

And the "retool" failed miserably, for a multitude of reasons. Which is why I'm glad they've decided to stop prolonging the torture and embrace the full rebuild process.

Can we all at least come to an agreement that the Cards had an imbecile or at least someone who was being told what to do by ownership acting as an imbecile that got the org in this position many of you keep referring to……”this is what we’ve been doing for years, adding vets, doing that and it’s failed”……WELL ITS FAILED BECAUSE THEY MADE THE WRONG PLAYERS CHOICES. It isn’t because the spent $$$ if was because they spent it on the
WRONG players….its because they waste years of MLB starter time these prospect who become nothing. It’s not because finding the right FA and right trade talent doesn’t work. It’s because the Cardinals/MO didn’t find the right FA, the correct prospects to keep, the correct trade return. But now all you think that going this route just can’t work going forward……BECAUSE IDIOTS HAVE SCREWED THIS PROCESS UP FOR 5-6 YRS

Well the cardinals can’t and won’t be able to spend their way out of the mess mo got them into. Mo was awful no debate there and Dewitt was an idiot for keeping him around as long as it did but theirs is no way the cardinals can fix this team by spending. The only way to fix it is to be able to produce players that actually contribute then spend money to augment them with free agents. You don’t like the rebuild I knew you wouldn’t you wouldn’t like anything the cardinals did anyway so no surprise there. Cardinals signed gray and Contreras you complained cardinals traded gray and Contreras you complained

Oz
I suggested he take up knitting, stamp or coin collecting.
Don’t think he has the stomach for team sports???

lol no kidding or just play video game baseball where he can be GM and trade burly and a catching prospect for tatis and spend unlimited money on every player he wants to of course he would probably still complain about the moves he makes

All your playful banter back and forth is highly entertaining…..but other than repeating the Cards party line…..why are you so cocksure that this exact plan you think is being implemented will transform the org into the promise land? Faith, Hope??

Because the plan of destroying the develop system in order to sign mediocre and mid tier free agents has failed spectacularly when what you’re doing fails over and over you have to try something else and I get it you think fixing the farm system and the development system so it produces productive players is a bad thing I don’t. And why do I think it will work? Because it’s a rational plan it’s a smart plan it’s a clear direction which they never had before.

The PLAN wasn’t to destroy the development system. Listen REALLY CLOSELY HERE:
For some unknown disillusioned reason BDW/MO thought they were the secret sauce brilliant brain trust after the amazing Pujols/TLR/Dunc fueled success between 2000-2011
They hired an unproven controllable Manager in Matheny
They brought in an analytics GM
They gutted old school scouts, coaches, directors in the minor leagues.
Mo wanted to be the new age Branch Rickey and went about it destroying decades of Cardinals Way George Kissel baseball fundamentals.
They fired Matheny, brought in another unknown who they thought they could control, they fired him and hired a 35yr old nobody and a college pitching coach.
We all now see what their PLAN has produced. This has nothing to do with not being able to have vibrant minor leagues system while PAYING some VETS on the ML Team.
You are a brainwashed lackey if you actually believe what you typed.

You literally just confirmed exactly what I said. I said they gutted the development system and no longer were able develop players that were ready you wanted to argue and confirmed exactly what I said by saying they gutted scouts coaches and directors in the minor leagues then accuse me of
Being a brainwashed lackey when u agreed with me lol they are now fixing what mo broke he even admitted he gutted the minors development to spend on the majors and MM sucked so there’s that

You’re brainwashed with this notion that they couldn’t have a robust minor league system AND VET MLB TALENT. It has nothing to do with money. BDW/MO thought that the organization only needed them and some wonderful analytics program to cultivate a winning team. You still believe BDW can’t have a 180mil payroll while building a minor league system. You’ve written it many times over the last few weeks.

They can and will. But first they have to rebuild the team that can actually win and that means developing a core you can spend to build around. Gray is not a core piece Contreras was not a core piece Donovan is not a core piece they are players you sign to supplement a good core. You’ve been completely brainwashed to believe this team is one or two moves away from being able to actually win something you are wrong very wrong. And as I have said repeatedly they will be spending more money this offseason you’re the only one saying they aren’t going to spend anymore money. And you’ve also been brainwashed into thinking every player will hurry up and sign with a team that is rebuilding

Congratulations! That's a thoughtful, cogent, logical and sensible post.

Too bad the willfully ignorant will not even attempt to understand or comprehend it.

[Goldfan]

They've been rebuilding on the fly or to take a term from Blues GM Armstrong, it's been more of a "retool."

And the "retool" failed miserably, for a multitude of reasons. Which is why I'm glad they've decided to stop prolonging the torture and embrace the full rebuild process.

Can we all at least come to an agreement that the Cards had an imbecile or at least someone who was being told what to do by ownership acting as an imbecile that got the org in this position many of you keep referring to……”this is what we’ve been doing for years, adding vets, doing that and it’s failed”……WELL ITS FAILED BECAUSE THEY MADE THE WRONG PLAYERS CHOICES. It isn’t because the spent $$$ if was because they spent it on the
WRONG players….its because they waste years of MLB starter time these prospect who become nothing. It’s not because finding the right FA and right trade talent doesn’t work. It’s because the Cardinals/MO didn’t find the right FA, the correct prospects to keep, the correct trade return. But now all you think that going this route just can’t work going forward……BECAUSE IDIOTS HAVE SCREWED THIS PROCESS UP FOR 5-6 YRS

Well the cardinals can’t and won’t be able to spend their way out of the mess mo got them into. Mo was awful no debate there and Dewitt was an idiot for keeping him around as long as it did but theirs is no way the cardinals can fix this team by spending. The only way to fix it is to be able to produce players that actually contribute then spend money to augment them with free agents. You don’t like the rebuild I knew you wouldn’t you wouldn’t like anything the cardinals did anyway so no surprise there. Cardinals signed gray and Contreras you complained cardinals traded gray and Contreras you complained

Oz
I suggested he take up knitting, stamp or coin collecting.
Don’t think he has the stomach for team sports???

lol no kidding or just play video game baseball where he can be GM and trade burly and a catching prospect for tatis and spend unlimited money on every player he wants to of course he would probably still complain about the moves he makes

All your playful banter back and forth is highly entertaining…..but other than repeating the Cards party line…..why are you so cocksure that this exact plan you think is being implemented will transform the org into the promise land? Faith, Hope??

Because the plan of destroying the develop system in order to sign mediocre and mid tier free agents has failed spectacularly when what you’re doing fails over and over you have to try something else and I get it you think fixing the farm system and the development system so it produces productive players is a bad thing I don’t. And why do I think it will work? Because it’s a rational plan it’s a smart plan it’s a clear direction which they never had before.

The PLAN wasn’t to destroy the development system. Listen REALLY CLOSELY HERE:
For some unknown disillusioned reason BDW/MO thought they were the secret sauce brilliant brain trust after the amazing Pujols/TLR/Dunc fueled success between 2000-2011
They hired an unproven controllable Manager in Matheny
They brought in an analytics GM
They gutted old school scouts, coaches, directors in the minor leagues.
Mo wanted to be the new age Branch Rickey and went about it destroying decades of Cardinals Way George Kissel baseball fundamentals.
They fired Matheny, brought in another unknown who they thought they could control, they fired him and hired a 35yr old nobody and a college pitching coach.
We all now see what their PLAN has produced. This has nothing to do with not being able to have vibrant minor leagues system while PAYING some VETS on the ML Team.
You are a brainwashed lackey if you actually believe what you typed.

You literally just confirmed exactly what I said. I said they gutted the development system and no longer were able develop players that were ready you wanted to argue and confirmed exactly what I said by saying they gutted scouts coaches and directors in the minor leagues then accuse me of
Being a brainwashed lackey when u agreed with me lol they are now fixing what mo broke he even admitted he gutted the minors development to spend on the majors and MM sucked so there’s that

You’re brainwashed with this notion that they couldn’t have a robust minor league system AND VET MLB TALENT. It has nothing to do with money. BDW/MO thought that the organization only needed them and some wonderful analytics program to cultivate a winning team. You still believe BDW can’t have a 180mil payroll while building a minor league system. You’ve written it many times over the last few weeks.

They can and will. But first they have to rebuild the team that can actually win and that means developing a core you can spend to build around. Gray is not a core piece Contreras was not a core piece Donovan is not a core piece they are players you sign to supplement a good core. You’ve been completely brainwashed to believe this team is one or two moves away from being able to actually win something you are wrong very wrong. And as I have said repeatedly they will be spending more money this offseason you’re the only one saying they aren’t going to spend anymore money. And you’ve also been brainwashed into thinking every player will hurry up and sign with a team that is rebuilding

Congratulations! That's a thoughtful, cogent, logical and sensible post.

Too bad the willfully ignorant will not even attempt to understand or comprehend it.

Herrera
Burly
Winn
JJ
Scott
Must be throwaways then?? Because this current team could field 6-7 then add a very highly paid 2x30mil players and you would have a rather robust lineup.
Add another 30mil SP
30mil
May
Libby
McGreevy
Dobbins
Your back to 170-180mil
Heck maybe you keep Donny
You’re winning games, fans are back in park, and Bloom can still rebuild farm.
Unless the current Cards listed are trash to you??? Then I guess you need to build an entire starting 9 from Bloom farm
There’s a step in your plan that where either you play the boys already here and add FA’s or you don’t think they’re good enough, like you said, and you need to replace 6-7 starters from Bloom Farm and then you spend $$ on FA’s. I say the 6 already here can win with some elite talent

[Cardinals1964]

Are the Cardinals even eligible for a top 10 lottery pick? I can’t remember. Rule is there to stop tanking. A rebuild could look like tanking. Use whatever word you want. Who cares. Rebuild, tweaking, sandbagging, tanking, who cares.

When you plan on intentionally losing, that's the very definition of tanking.

They won’t intentionally lose.

Not putting competitive product on the field IS intentionally losing.

No it’s not, if you are building a competitive product.

[Cardinals1964]

He wont lose one cent, he has drastically reduced expenses to offset the revenue loss.

Sorry, but he hasn’t reduced expenses that much. Not even close.
He is drawing 1.2 million less and his 50 million dollar television contract is in the krapper. You don’t make up that type of revenue overnight, much less ever.
Dewitt is stripping the team down to the studs by unloading every expensive contract because he knows the labor situation will not be solved by opening day 2027. Until he knows what the framework of a new deal consists of…he will continue to keep his wallet closed.
If the new labor deal isn’t to his liking…he will sell the team with no long term contracts on the books. It’s how sports business works.
I would say odds are Less than 50/50 he still owns the team in 2028.

I don’t know why people keep saying the wallet is closed. They sent 20 million to the redsox to get better prospects back in the gray trade then spent 12 million on basically a gamble in may so they saved what 3 million on gray? They sent more money to the red Sox for Contreras to get better prospects back and are going to spend even more money by the end of the offseason. So they got two big league ready starters back and one pitcher with a big arm for a guy who can’t pitch on the road or heat

LOL...Big league ready starters. Put the pipe down. Neither pitcher is proven. Neither is the "Prospects" they got in the salary dump for Contreras. Just look at team payroll and that'll tell you why people say the wallet is closed.

Contreras got us Dobbins, who would’ve led the 2025 cardinals in starter ERA, as well as the Sox #23 best prospect.

Hunter Dobbins is a professional baseball pitcher for the Boston Red Sox, having made his MLB debut on April 6, 2025. He was drafted in the eighth round of the 2021 MLB Draft and has a career record of 4 wins and 1 loss with an earned run average of 4.13 as of the end of the 2025 season.

We're saved!

If I hated everything about anything, the way you hate everything about the Cardinals and their current moves, I’d have to quit watching. You don’t like the moves. Ok. Great. I don’t read every post, so I have to ask, what were your proposals? Presenting a complaint without a solution isn’t really productive.

[Bushiro]

Baffles me that fans can't grasp the difference between tanking and a rebuild.

-In "tanking," you get rid of ALL players possible that hold any value and/or are due an upcoming payday. Even if they're young and could potentially be part of the future in 3-5 years, you get rid of anyone you can who's above replacement level because the goal is to lose as many games as possible to attain the highest possible draft picks for as long as the "tanking" lasts.

-In a rebuild, you trade all players of value who are too old or, for whatever reason, not part of the team's 3-5 year future plan in return for draft picks, prospects, or young MLB-ready players that are part of the team's future and/or 3-5 year plan. Unlike tanking, rebuilding teams ARE trying to win and compete as quickly as they can, but are willing to endure a couple down seasons for the hope of a longer, successful run in the near future.

To sum up:

-Tanking: blows up the team with the intention of finishing dead last if possible in order to acquire as many top draft picks for as long as the tanking lasts

-Rebuilding: trading away players not part of the future to acquire assets who are part of the future. Willing to accept a couple down seasons for the hope of a longer, successful franchise in the near future. While top draft picks are great if the team gets them, the team is still trying to win as quickly as they can.

Who in this starting lineup makes any money??
2026 starting lineup
C Herrera
1b Burly
2b JJ
SS Winn
3b Gorman
LF Noot
CF Scott
RF Walker
DH Who Knows

May
Libby
McGreevy
Fitts
Pallente

None of them make a substantial salary and are all young enough to be part of the 3-5 year future plan. Which is precisely why they're all part of the rebuild.

We’ve been “Rebuilding” a couple years now, at least….with Burly, WInn, Gorman, Noot, Scott, Walker. How’s it going??

They've been rebuilding on the fly or to take a term from Blues GM Armstrong, it's been more of a "retool."

And the "retool" failed miserably, for a multitude of reasons. Which is why I'm glad they've decided to stop prolonging the torture and embrace the full rebuild process.

Can we all at least come to an agreement that the Cards had an imbecile or at least someone who was being told what to do by ownership acting as an imbecile that got the org in this position many of you keep referring to……”this is what we’ve been doing for years, adding vets, doing that and it’s failed”……WELL ITS FAILED BECAUSE THEY MADE THE WRONG PLAYERS CHOICES. It isn’t because the spent $$$ if was because they spent it on the
WRONG players….its because they waste years of MLB starter time these prospect who become nothing. It’s not because finding the right FA and right trade talent doesn’t work. It’s because the Cardinals/MO didn’t find the right FA, the correct prospects to keep, the correct trade return. But now all you think that going this route just can’t work going forward……BECAUSE IDIOTS HAVE SCREWED THIS PROCESS UP FOR 5-6 YRS

Well the cardinals can’t and won’t be able to spend their way out of the mess mo got them into. Mo was awful no debate there and Dewitt was an idiot for keeping him around as long as it did but theirs is no way the cardinals can fix this team by spending. The only way to fix it is to be able to produce players that actually contribute then spend money to augment them with free agents. You don’t like the rebuild I knew you wouldn’t you wouldn’t like anything the cardinals did anyway so no surprise there. Cardinals signed gray and Contreras you complained cardinals traded gray and Contreras you complained

Oz
I suggested he take up knitting, stamp or coin collecting.
Don’t think he has the stomach for team sports???

lol no kidding or just play video game baseball where he can be GM and trade burly and a catching prospect for tatis and spend unlimited money on every player he wants to of course he would probably still complain about the moves he makes

All your playful banter back and forth is highly entertaining…..but other than repeating the Cards party line…..why are you so cocksure that this exact plan you think is being implemented will transform the org into the promise land? Faith, Hope??

Because the plan of destroying the develop system in order to sign mediocre and mid tier free agents has failed spectacularly when what you’re doing fails over and over you have to try something else and I get it you think fixing the farm system and the development system so it produces productive players is a bad thing I don’t. And why do I think it will work? Because it’s a rational plan it’s a smart plan it’s a clear direction which they never had before.

The PLAN wasn’t to destroy the development system. Listen REALLY CLOSELY HERE:
For some unknown disillusioned reason BDW/MO thought they were the secret sauce brilliant brain trust after the amazing Pujols/TLR/Dunc fueled success between 2000-2011
They hired an unproven controllable Manager in Matheny
They brought in an analytics GM
They gutted old school scouts, coaches, directors in the minor leagues.
Mo wanted to be the new age Branch Rickey and went about it destroying decades of Cardinals Way George Kissel baseball fundamentals.
They fired Matheny, brought in another unknown who they thought they could control, they fired him and hired a 35yr old nobody and a college pitching coach.
We all now see what their PLAN has produced. This has nothing to do with not being able to have vibrant minor leagues system while PAYING some VETS on the ML Team.
You are a brainwashed lackey if you actually believe what you typed.

At least it confims... that if mo was destroying the minor league development system/George kissel fundamentals...and using the money to have the mlb payroll where it was...by signing mediocre mid tier free agents....that tells me that there was never any dry powder available....we heard it all the time...if we are in the position and something is available...that makes us better and makes sense ...we have some flexibility to do that....horse (bleep) there was never any dry powder available....that's why mo had the same old excuses and would talk for 10 mins...and say nothing of value...

[Cardinals1964]

Who in this starting lineup makes any money??
2026 starting lineup
C Herrera
1b Burly
2b JJ
SS Winn
3b Gorman
LF Noot
CF Scott
RF Walker
DH Who Knows

May
Libby
McGreevy
Fitts
Pallente

None of them make a substantial salary and are all young enough to be part of the 3-5 year future plan. Which is precisely why they're all part of the rebuild.

We’ve been “Rebuilding” a couple years now, at least….with Burly, WInn, Gorman, Noot, Scott, Walker. How’s it going??

They've been rebuilding on the fly or to take a term from Blues GM Armstrong, it's been more of a "retool."

And the "retool" failed miserably, for a multitude of reasons. Which is why I'm glad they've decided to stop prolonging the torture and embrace the full rebuild process.

Can we all at least come to an agreement that the Cards had an imbecile or at least someone who was being told what to do by ownership acting as an imbecile that got the org in this position many of you keep referring to……”this is what we’ve been doing for years, adding vets, doing that and it’s failed”……WELL ITS FAILED BECAUSE THEY MADE THE WRONG PLAYERS CHOICES. It isn’t because the spent $$$ if was because they spent it on the
WRONG players….its because they waste years of MLB starter time these prospect who become nothing. It’s not because finding the right FA and right trade talent doesn’t work. It’s because the Cardinals/MO didn’t find the right FA, the correct prospects to keep, the correct trade return. But now all you think that going this route just can’t work going forward……BECAUSE IDIOTS HAVE SCREWED THIS PROCESS UP FOR 5-6 YRS

Well the cardinals can’t and won’t be able to spend their way out of the mess mo got them into. Mo was awful no debate there and Dewitt was an idiot for keeping him around as long as it did but theirs is no way the cardinals can fix this team by spending. The only way to fix it is to be able to produce players that actually contribute then spend money to augment them with free agents. You don’t like the rebuild I knew you wouldn’t you wouldn’t like anything the cardinals did anyway so no surprise there. Cardinals signed gray and Contreras you complained cardinals traded gray and Contreras you complained

Oz
I suggested he take up knitting, stamp or coin collecting.
Don’t think he has the stomach for team sports???

lol no kidding or just play video game baseball where he can be GM and trade burly and a catching prospect for tatis and spend unlimited money on every player he wants to of course he would probably still complain about the moves he makes

All your playful banter back and forth is highly entertaining…..but other than repeating the Cards party line…..why are you so cocksure that this exact plan you think is being implemented will transform the org into the promise land? Faith, Hope??

Because the plan of destroying the develop system in order to sign mediocre and mid tier free agents has failed spectacularly when what you’re doing fails over and over you have to try something else and I get it you think fixing the farm system and the development system so it produces productive players is a bad thing I don’t. And why do I think it will work? Because it’s a rational plan it’s a smart plan it’s a clear direction which they never had before.

The PLAN wasn’t to destroy the development system. Listen REALLY CLOSELY HERE:
For some unknown disillusioned reason BDW/MO thought they were the secret sauce brilliant brain trust after the amazing Pujols/TLR/Dunc fueled success between 2000-2011
They hired an unproven controllable Manager in Matheny
They brought in an analytics GM
They gutted old school scouts, coaches, directors in the minor leagues.
Mo wanted to be the new age Branch Rickey and went about it destroying decades of Cardinals Way George Kissel baseball fundamentals.
They fired Matheny, brought in another unknown who they thought they could control, they fired him and hired a 35yr old nobody and a college pitching coach.
We all now see what their PLAN has produced. This has nothing to do with not being able to have vibrant minor leagues system while PAYING some VETS on the ML Team.
You are a brainwashed lackey if you actually believe what you typed.

At least it confims... that if mo was destroying the minor league development system/George kissel fundamentals...and using the money to have the mlb payroll where it was...by signing mediocre mid tier free agents....that tells me that there was never any dry powder available....we heard it all the time...if we are in the position and something is available...that makes us better and makes sense ...we have some flexibility to do that....horse (bleep) there was never any dry powder available....that's why mo had the same old excuses and would talk for 10 mins...and say nothing of value...

Mo was a Dewitt spokes person. I hope Bloom changes Dewitt’s thoughts on things.

[clemonsonroots]

1)
They're NOT tanking

2)
The Cardinals had a $6.75 EBITDA in 2025

3)
The franchise is valued at $2.55B and hasn't lost any value

4)
This is a long-term strategic overhaul per C. Bloom

5)
IMO the 2026 team is going to be better than the 2025 team, perhaps by as much as +5 - 7 games (83-85 wins which is not tanking)

I love your optimism...but you are in for a very loooonggggg season.

[Cardinals1964]

1)
They're NOT tanking

2)
The Cardinals had a $6.75 EBITDA in 2025

3)
The franchise is valued at $2.55B and hasn't lost any value

4)
This is a long-term strategic overhaul per C. Bloom

5)
IMO the 2026 team is going to be better than the 2025 team, perhaps by as much as +5 - 7 games (83-85 wins which is not tanking)

I love your optimism...but you are in for a very loooonggggg season.

It’s been 162 games long for a while now, hasn’t it?

[imyourhuckleberry]

Can we all at least come to an agreement that the Cards had an imbecile or at least someone who was being told what to do by ownership acting as an imbecile that got the org in this position many of you keep referring to……”this is what we’ve been doing for years, adding vets, doing that and it’s failed”……WELL ITS FAILED BECAUSE THEY MADE THE WRONG PLAYERS CHOICES. It isn’t because the spent $$$ if was because they spent it on the
WRONG players….its because they waste years of MLB starter time these prospect who become nothing. It’s not because finding the right FA and right trade talent doesn’t work. It’s because the Cardinals/MO didn’t find the right FA, the correct prospects to keep, the correct trade return. But now all you think that going this route just can’t work going forward……BECAUSE IDIOTS HAVE SCREWED THIS PROCESS UP FOR 5-6 YRS

Well the cardinals can’t and won’t be able to spend their way out of the mess mo got them into. Mo was awful no debate there and Dewitt was an idiot for keeping him around as long as it did but theirs is no way the cardinals can fix this team by spending. The only way to fix it is to be able to produce players that actually contribute then spend money to augment them with free agents. You don’t like the rebuild I knew you wouldn’t you wouldn’t like anything the cardinals did anyway so no surprise there. Cardinals signed gray and Contreras you complained cardinals traded gray and Contreras you complained

Oz
I suggested he take up knitting, stamp or coin collecting.
Don’t think he has the stomach for team sports???

lol no kidding or just play video game baseball where he can be GM and trade burly and a catching prospect for tatis and spend unlimited money on every player he wants to of course he would probably still complain about the moves he makes

All your playful banter back and forth is highly entertaining…..but other than repeating the Cards party line…..why are you so cocksure that this exact plan you think is being implemented will transform the org into the promise land? Faith, Hope??

Because the plan of destroying the develop system in order to sign mediocre and mid tier free agents has failed spectacularly when what you’re doing fails over and over you have to try something else and I get it you think fixing the farm system and the development system so it produces productive players is a bad thing I don’t. And why do I think it will work? Because it’s a rational plan it’s a smart plan it’s a clear direction which they never had before.

The PLAN wasn’t to destroy the development system. Listen REALLY CLOSELY HERE:
For some unknown disillusioned reason BDW/MO thought they were the secret sauce brilliant brain trust after the amazing Pujols/TLR/Dunc fueled success between 2000-2011
They hired an unproven controllable Manager in Matheny
They brought in an analytics GM
They gutted old school scouts, coaches, directors in the minor leagues.
Mo wanted to be the new age Branch Rickey and went about it destroying decades of Cardinals Way George Kissel baseball fundamentals.
They fired Matheny, brought in another unknown who they thought they could control, they fired him and hired a 35yr old nobody and a college pitching coach.
We all now see what their PLAN has produced. This has nothing to do with not being able to have vibrant minor leagues system while PAYING some VETS on the ML Team.
You are a brainwashed lackey if you actually believe what you typed.

You literally just confirmed exactly what I said. I said they gutted the development system and no longer were able develop players that were ready you wanted to argue and confirmed exactly what I said by saying they gutted scouts coaches and directors in the minor leagues then accuse me of
Being a brainwashed lackey when u agreed with me lol they are now fixing what mo broke he even admitted he gutted the minors development to spend on the majors and MM sucked so there’s that

You’re brainwashed with this notion that they couldn’t have a robust minor league system AND VET MLB TALENT. It has nothing to do with money. BDW/MO thought that the organization only needed them and some wonderful analytics program to cultivate a winning team. You still believe BDW can’t have a 180mil payroll while building a minor league system. You’ve written it many times over the last few weeks.

They can and will. But first they have to rebuild the team that can actually win and that means developing a core you can spend to build around. Gray is not a core piece Contreras was not a core piece Donovan is not a core piece they are players you sign to supplement a good core. You’ve been completely brainwashed to believe this team is one or two moves away from being able to actually win something you are wrong very wrong. And as I have said repeatedly they will be spending more money this offseason you’re the only one saying they aren’t going to spend anymore money. And you’ve also been brainwashed into thinking every player will hurry up and sign with a team that is rebuilding

Congratulations! That's a thoughtful, cogent, logical and sensible post.

Too bad the willfully ignorant will not even attempt to understand or comprehend it.

Herrera
Burly
Winn
JJ
Scott
Must be throwaways then?? Because this current team could field 6-7 then add a very highly paid 2x30mil players and you would have a rather robust lineup.
Add another 30mil SP
30mil
May
Libby
McGreevy
Dobbins
Your back to 170-180mil
Heck maybe you keep Donny
You’re winning games, fans are back in park, and Bloom can still rebuild farm.
Unless the current Cards listed are trash to you??? Then I guess you need to build an entire starting 9 from Bloom farm
There’s a step in your plan that where either you play the boys already here and add FA’s or you don’t think they’re good enough, like you said, and you need to replace 6-7 starters from Bloom Farm and then you spend $$ on FA’s. I say the 6 already here can win with some elite talent

Who are these two mystery $30M players you have in mind? What is your backup plan if one or both don't want to sign here? What if they want $35 or $40M to come here. Do you go that high? How many years? And with those contracts, they'll definitely command no trade protections. Do you grant that too? Aren't we trying to get out from under NTCs? If not, who are your back up $30M players?

Who is this $30M pitcher you're adding? Now apply the same questions for the above players. Who is your backup $30M pitcher?

Only a simpleton says, 'just sign X guys for X dollars' without putting actual names and contract details in place.

Sorry, man but you're wrong. They must re-build from the bottom up and then go buy (or acquire via trade) the final piece(s) to put them over the top. Otherwise they'll just be spinning the wheels like they've been doing for the last 10 years.

[Cardinals1964]

Well the cardinals can’t and won’t be able to spend their way out of the mess mo got them into. Mo was awful no debate there and Dewitt was an idiot for keeping him around as long as it did but theirs is no way the cardinals can fix this team by spending. The only way to fix it is to be able to produce players that actually contribute then spend money to augment them with free agents. You don’t like the rebuild I knew you wouldn’t you wouldn’t like anything the cardinals did anyway so no surprise there. Cardinals signed gray and Contreras you complained cardinals traded gray and Contreras you complained

Oz
I suggested he take up knitting, stamp or coin collecting.
Don’t think he has the stomach for team sports???

lol no kidding or just play video game baseball where he can be GM and trade burly and a catching prospect for tatis and spend unlimited money on every player he wants to of course he would probably still complain about the moves he makes

All your playful banter back and forth is highly entertaining…..but other than repeating the Cards party line…..why are you so cocksure that this exact plan you think is being implemented will transform the org into the promise land? Faith, Hope??

Because the plan of destroying the develop system in order to sign mediocre and mid tier free agents has failed spectacularly when what you’re doing fails over and over you have to try something else and I get it you think fixing the farm system and the development system so it produces productive players is a bad thing I don’t. And why do I think it will work? Because it’s a rational plan it’s a smart plan it’s a clear direction which they never had before.

The PLAN wasn’t to destroy the development system. Listen REALLY CLOSELY HERE:
For some unknown disillusioned reason BDW/MO thought they were the secret sauce brilliant brain trust after the amazing Pujols/TLR/Dunc fueled success between 2000-2011
They hired an unproven controllable Manager in Matheny
They brought in an analytics GM
They gutted old school scouts, coaches, directors in the minor leagues.
Mo wanted to be the new age Branch Rickey and went about it destroying decades of Cardinals Way George Kissel baseball fundamentals.
They fired Matheny, brought in another unknown who they thought they could control, they fired him and hired a 35yr old nobody and a college pitching coach.
We all now see what their PLAN has produced. This has nothing to do with not being able to have vibrant minor leagues system while PAYING some VETS on the ML Team.
You are a brainwashed lackey if you actually believe what you typed.

You literally just confirmed exactly what I said. I said they gutted the development system and no longer were able develop players that were ready you wanted to argue and confirmed exactly what I said by saying they gutted scouts coaches and directors in the minor leagues then accuse me of
Being a brainwashed lackey when u agreed with me lol they are now fixing what mo broke he even admitted he gutted the minors development to spend on the majors and MM sucked so there’s that

You’re brainwashed with this notion that they couldn’t have a robust minor league system AND VET MLB TALENT. It has nothing to do with money. BDW/MO thought that the organization only needed them and some wonderful analytics program to cultivate a winning team. You still believe BDW can’t have a 180mil payroll while building a minor league system. You’ve written it many times over the last few weeks.

They can and will. But first they have to rebuild the team that can actually win and that means developing a core you can spend to build around. Gray is not a core piece Contreras was not a core piece Donovan is not a core piece they are players you sign to supplement a good core. You’ve been completely brainwashed to believe this team is one or two moves away from being able to actually win something you are wrong very wrong. And as I have said repeatedly they will be spending more money this offseason you’re the only one saying they aren’t going to spend anymore money. And you’ve also been brainwashed into thinking every player will hurry up and sign with a team that is rebuilding

Congratulations! That's a thoughtful, cogent, logical and sensible post.

Too bad the willfully ignorant will not even attempt to understand or comprehend it.

Herrera
Burly
Winn
JJ
Scott
Must be throwaways then?? Because this current team could field 6-7 then add a very highly paid 2x30mil players and you would have a rather robust lineup.
Add another 30mil SP
30mil
May
Libby
McGreevy
Dobbins
Your back to 170-180mil
Heck maybe you keep Donny
You’re winning games, fans are back in park, and Bloom can still rebuild farm.
Unless the current Cards listed are trash to you??? Then I guess you need to build an entire starting 9 from Bloom farm
There’s a step in your plan that where either you play the boys already here and add FA’s or you don’t think they’re good enough, like you said, and you need to replace 6-7 starters from Bloom Farm and then you spend $$ on FA’s. I say the 6 already here can win with some elite talent

Who are these two mystery $30M players you have in mind? What is your backup plan if one or both don't want to sign here? What if they want $35 or $40M to come here. Do you go that high? How many years? And with those contracts, they'll definitely command no trade protections. Do you grant that too? Aren't we trying to get out from under NTCs? If not, who are your back up $30M players?

Who is this $30M pitcher you're adding? Now apply the same questions for the above players. Who is your backup $30M pitcher?

Only a simpleton says, 'just sign X guys for X dollars' without putting actual names and contract details in place.

Sorry, man but you're wrong. They must re-build from the bottom up and then go buy (or acquire via trade) the final piece(s) to put them over the top. Otherwise they'll just be spinning the wheels like they've been doing for the last 10 years.

I’ve been asking the same questions. Name names of who you want.