How much money will DeWitt and company lose with 3-5 years of tanking?

[CCard]

I mean that's gotta be enough to at least up the payroll 30 million? Right? A competitive talent with actual top tier talent on the field draws close to 3 million. You got to figure at least a million or so if the team is pretty bad. That's probably a drop of nearly 2 million tickets per year. How much is a ticket now a days?
Here are prices for the May 19 , 2023 game against the Los Angeles Dodgers: Lowest price: $22 before fees for Section 431, Row 3 Pricey side: $1,026 before fees for Section 1, Row K Dugout box: $103 before fees for Section 132, Row C Fans looking for less expensive options can also wait for promotional periods. Cardinals tickets have been sold for as little as $6 this season.

So, if we just take the $22 tickets that's what about $40 million? Give or take? That's just ticket sales and that's the lowest except for promotional sales.

So, how much money are they throwing in the wind with their tanking? Why would they intentionally throw away money?

Less than when they were trying to win the past couple of seasons

You're laughable. You and your cohorts. At least they were trying to win. Now we get to watch them trying to lose.

[CCard]

I mean that's gotta be enough to at least up the payroll 30 million? Right? A competitive talent with actual top tier talent on the field draws close to 3 million. You got to figure at least a million or so if the team is pretty bad. That's probably a drop of nearly 2 million tickets per year. How much is a ticket now a days?
Here are prices for the May 19 , 2023 game against the Los Angeles Dodgers: Lowest price: $22 before fees for Section 431, Row 3 Pricey side: $1,026 before fees for Section 1, Row K Dugout box: $103 before fees for Section 132, Row C Fans looking for less expensive options can also wait for promotional periods. Cardinals tickets have been sold for as little as $6 this season.

So, if we just take the $22 tickets that's what about $40 million? Give or take? That's just ticket sales and that's the lowest except for promotional sales.

So, how much money are they throwing in the wind with their tanking? Why would they intentionally throw away money?

Reducing long term debt…aka expensive contracts….to make the club more marketable

I don't care what their reasoning is. I do care that they are actively tanking. Intentionally losing. That's just wrong.

[hmoss859]

He wont lose one cent, he has drastically reduced expenses to offset the revenue loss.

[Bubble4427]

He wont lose one cent, he has drastically reduced expenses to offset the revenue loss.

Sorry, but he hasn’t reduced expenses that much. Not even close.
He is drawing 1.2 million less and his 50 million dollar television contract is in the krapper. You don’t make up that type of revenue overnight, much less ever.
Dewitt is stripping the team down to the studs by unloading every expensive contract because he knows the labor situation will not be solved by opening day 2027. Until he knows what the framework of a new deal consists of…he will continue to keep his wallet closed.
If the new labor deal isn’t to his liking…he will sell the team with no long term contracts on the books. It’s how sports business works.
I would say odds are Less than 50/50 he still owns the team in 2028.

[Ozziesfan41]

He wont lose one cent, he has drastically reduced expenses to offset the revenue loss.

Sorry, but he hasn’t reduced expenses that much. Not even close.
He is drawing 1.2 million less and his 50 million dollar television contract is in the krapper. You don’t make up that type of revenue overnight, much less ever.
Dewitt is stripping the team down to the studs by unloading every expensive contract because he knows the labor situation will not be solved by opening day 2027. Until he knows what the framework of a new deal consists of…he will continue to keep his wallet closed.
If the new labor deal isn’t to his liking…he will sell the team with no long term contracts on the books. It’s how sports business works.
I would say odds are Less than 50/50 he still owns the team in 2028.

I don’t know why people keep saying the wallet is closed. They sent 20 million to the redsox to get better prospects back in the gray trade then spent 12 million on basically a gamble in may so they saved what 3 million on gray? They sent more money to the red Sox for Contreras to get better prospects back and are going to spend even more money by the end of the offseason. So they got two big league ready starters back and one pitcher with a big arm for a guy who can’t pitch on the road or heat

[Cardinals1964]

Are the Cardinals even eligible for a top 10 lottery pick? I can’t remember. Rule is there to stop tanking. A rebuild could look like tanking. Use whatever word you want. Who cares. Rebuild, tweaking, sandbagging, tanking, who cares.

[zuck698]

Are the Cardinals even eligible for a top 10 lottery pick? I can’t remember. Rule is there to stop tanking. A rebuild could look like tanking. Use whatever word you want. Who cares. Rebuild, tweaking, sandbagging, tanking, who cares.

Yes, the Cards are eligible next year. Pick 13 this year so they are eligible.

[mattmitchl44]

Revenue/attendance goes down during a rebuild, as does payroll/operating expenses. So who knows if they make more, less, or break even.

[CCard]

He wont lose one cent, he has drastically reduced expenses to offset the revenue loss.

Sorry, but he hasn’t reduced expenses that much. Not even close.
He is drawing 1.2 million less and his 50 million dollar television contract is in the krapper. You don’t make up that type of revenue overnight, much less ever.
Dewitt is stripping the team down to the studs by unloading every expensive contract because he knows the labor situation will not be solved by opening day 2027. Until he knows what the framework of a new deal consists of…he will continue to keep his wallet closed.
If the new labor deal isn’t to his liking…he will sell the team with no long term contracts on the books. It’s how sports business works.
I would say odds are Less than 50/50 he still owns the team in 2028.

I don’t know why people keep saying the wallet is closed. They sent 20 million to the redsox to get better prospects back in the gray trade then spent 12 million on basically a gamble in may so they saved what 3 million on gray? They sent more money to the red Sox for Contreras to get better prospects back and are going to spend even more money by the end of the offseason. So they got two big league ready starters back and one pitcher with a big arm for a guy who can’t pitch on the road or heat

LOL...Big league ready starters. Put the pipe down. Neither pitcher is proven. Neither is the "Prospects" they got in the salary dump for Contreras. Just look at team payroll and that'll tell you why people say the wallet is closed.

[CCard]

Are the Cardinals even eligible for a top 10 lottery pick? I can’t remember. Rule is there to stop tanking. A rebuild could look like tanking. Use whatever word you want. Who cares. Rebuild, tweaking, sandbagging, tanking, who cares.

When you plan on intentionally losing, that's the very definition of tanking.

[rockondlouie]

Dewitt is stripping the team down to the studs by unloading every expensive contract because he knows the labor situation will not be solved by opening day 2027. Until he knows what the framework of a new deal consists of…he will continue to keep his wallet closed.

+1

[ecleme22]

He wont lose one cent, he has drastically reduced expenses to offset the revenue loss.

Sorry, but he hasn’t reduced expenses that much. Not even close.
He is drawing 1.2 million less and his 50 million dollar television contract is in the krapper. You don’t make up that type of revenue overnight, much less ever.
Dewitt is stripping the team down to the studs by unloading every expensive contract because he knows the labor situation will not be solved by opening day 2027. Until he knows what the framework of a new deal consists of…he will continue to keep his wallet closed.
If the new labor deal isn’t to his liking…he will sell the team with no long term contracts on the books. It’s how sports business works.
I would say odds are Less than 50/50 he still owns the team in 2028.

I don’t know why people keep saying the wallet is closed. They sent 20 million to the redsox to get better prospects back in the gray trade then spent 12 million on basically a gamble in may so they saved what 3 million on gray? They sent more money to the red Sox for Contreras to get better prospects back and are going to spend even more money by the end of the offseason. So they got two big league ready starters back and one pitcher with a big arm for a guy who can’t pitch on the road or heat

LOL...Big league ready starters. Put the pipe down. Neither pitcher is proven. Neither is the "Prospects" they got in the salary dump for Contreras. Just look at team payroll and that'll tell you why people say the wallet is closed.

Contreras got us Dobbins, who would’ve led the 2025 cardinals in starter ERA, as well as the Sox #23 best prospect.

[cardsrmyteam]

I mean that's gotta be enough to at least up the payroll 30 million? Right? A competitive talent with actual top tier talent on the field draws close to 3 million. You got to figure at least a million or so if the team is pretty bad. That's probably a drop of nearly 2 million tickets per year. How much is a ticket now a days?
Here are prices for the May 19 , 2023 game against the Los Angeles Dodgers: Lowest price: $22 before fees for Section 431, Row 3 Pricey side: $1,026 before fees for Section 1, Row K Dugout box: $103 before fees for Section 132, Row C Fans looking for less expensive options can also wait for promotional periods. Cardinals tickets have been sold for as little as $6 this season.

So, if we just take the $22 tickets that's what about $40 million? Give or take? That's just ticket sales and that's the lowest except for promotional sales.

So, how much money are they throwing in the wind with their tanking? Why would they intentionally throw away money?

Has the same answer as to how much money did DeWitt lose given he held onto Mo for so long?

[Carp4Cy]

He wont lose one cent, he has drastically reduced expenses to offset the revenue loss.

Sorry, but he hasn’t reduced expenses that much. Not even close.
He is drawing 1.2 million less and his 50 million dollar television contract is in the krapper. You don’t make up that type of revenue overnight, much less ever.
Dewitt is stripping the team down to the studs by unloading every expensive contract because he knows the labor situation will not be solved by opening day 2027. Until he knows what the framework of a new deal consists of…he will continue to keep his wallet closed.
If the new labor deal isn’t to his liking…he will sell the team with no long term contracts on the books. It’s how sports business works.
I would say odds are Less than 50/50 he still owns the team in 2028.

I don’t know why people keep saying the wallet is closed. They sent 20 million to the redsox to get better prospects back in the gray trade then spent 12 million on basically a gamble in may so they saved what 3 million on gray? They sent more money to the red Sox for Contreras to get better prospects back and are going to spend even more money by the end of the offseason. So they got two big league ready starters back and one pitcher with a big arm for a guy who can’t pitch on the road or heat

LOL...Big league ready starters. Put the pipe down. Neither pitcher is proven. Neither is the "Prospects" they got in the salary dump for Contreras. Just look at team payroll and that'll tell you why people say the wallet is closed.

Contreras got us Dobbins,

With Dobbins on the roster, why did Boston feel the need to trade for Oviedo?

[ecleme22]

He wont lose one cent, he has drastically reduced expenses to offset the revenue loss.

Sorry, but he hasn’t reduced expenses that much. Not even close.
He is drawing 1.2 million less and his 50 million dollar television contract is in the krapper. You don’t make up that type of revenue overnight, much less ever.
Dewitt is stripping the team down to the studs by unloading every expensive contract because he knows the labor situation will not be solved by opening day 2027. Until he knows what the framework of a new deal consists of…he will continue to keep his wallet closed.
If the new labor deal isn’t to his liking…he will sell the team with no long term contracts on the books. It’s how sports business works.
I would say odds are Less than 50/50 he still owns the team in 2028.

I don’t know why people keep saying the wallet is closed. They sent 20 million to the redsox to get better prospects back in the gray trade then spent 12 million on basically a gamble in may so they saved what 3 million on gray? They sent more money to the red Sox for Contreras to get better prospects back and are going to spend even more money by the end of the offseason. So they got two big league ready starters back and one pitcher with a big arm for a guy who can’t pitch on the road or heat

LOL...Big league ready starters. Put the pipe down. Neither pitcher is proven. Neither is the "Prospects" they got in the salary dump for Contreras. Just look at team payroll and that'll tell you why people say the wallet is closed.

Contreras got us Dobbins,

With Dobbins on the roster, why did Boston feel the need to trade for Oviedo?

Well maybe acquiring Oviedo had more to do with trading Fitts and letting May walk.

[Cardinals1964]

Are the Cardinals even eligible for a top 10 lottery pick? I can’t remember. Rule is there to stop tanking. A rebuild could look like tanking. Use whatever word you want. Who cares. Rebuild, tweaking, sandbagging, tanking, who cares.

When you plan on intentionally losing, that's the very definition of tanking.

They won’t intentionally lose.