Cards Looking for RHH OF

[JuanAgosto]

It’s ironic because this is the same type of list Mo would assemble in the offseason for his “playoff push” moves…..

lol mo would continue to have faith in the outfielders they already have and not bring anyone from the outside so that’s far from a mo move it would be a jockety/Larussa move to bring in a veteran outfielder but Mos would be we like what we have don’t want to take at bats away from anyone and blah blah

Mo would throw an outfield of Nootbaar, Scott, and Walker and hope all made unrealistic improvements. He was a master at spending entire winters sticking his thumbs up his (donkey).

Mo was a genius until it ran out. He kept 3 million fans in the stadium with the promise of the next prospect was the real deal. Like most Cardinals fans, they ate up everything the Cardinals told them, because to disagree with their idols would be blasphemy. So most fans adopted whatever mentality Mo was throwing out there at the time.
Now they will adopt whatever Bloom throws out there. Hopefully Bloom produces.

Still doesn't change the fact that Mo typically hibernated every winter instead of making moves. He was a putz. His "success " was the result of Jocketty, LaRussa, Luhnow, and the great players they obtained.

You should hurry and ask Santa if he can get Mo out of your bum for Christmas.
It would be a gift for us all.

No, you should get santa to pull your nose out of Mo's (donkey).

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Trade Arenado for Castellanos.
Maybe sign Pham to a minor league contract with a NRI.
Victor
Walker
Burleson in the mix
Church backup
Noot traded

NC in right field
JW in LF
VS in CF

If Pham makes the team, he shares some time w JW and NC, but he’s mostly a backup. Church is a def replacement and spot starter. Burleson plays here and there in the OF.

I like that trade you listed at the top. Is he great, no, but he can hit and maybe even surge for a month or so...

[Cardinals1964]

I would consider this list horse hockey. Quite frankly if your going to put a guy out there for 3 to 10 mill per just because he has some experience, knowing full well he will be a .250ish, 10 to 15 HR guy at best, at best I say. Then your better off just throwing a Church, or Koperniak out there along with Noot, Scott and Walker and calling it a day. Save some money and see what you got. See who rises to the top considering this is a rebuild year. That is a Johnny Moz list all day long. I do hope Bloom has more sense than that. If he goes after a RHH OF then it needs to be via trade for someone controllable and you know is a legit player for a few years, no questions asked. Does not have to hit 30HR's but a .285, and 20 to 25HR's works. That can be had in a Donovan, Pallante, lower minors prospect deal.

Tank Tank Tank…..Tank real good.
Someone please explain the need for May and RHH OF??
Certainly isn’t going to make much a difference in standings

Because the team isn’t tanking.

May can eat some innings. And all vets on one year deals can be flipped at the deadline.

So Bloom is spending $$$ to flip them at deadline??
The product on the field is going to stink. The product last year stunk. The product the year before was 71-91
I want a winning team……you seem fine and content to Wait….for players who today are not ready to win but somehow you have faith or hope that at some point in the future they will win. FAR from any guarantee….but you and those like you feel as though it is a guarantee. Wait a few years and presto talent abound at Busch stadium.
But you also want middling talent to be brought in for ‘26……to eat innings?? Why?? Pallente can eat innings….Leahy can eat innings
I filled out lineup with current players…..we really don’t need any more. Winning isn’t an objective.
What’s the objective ???

But the team and make the moves you want. Money is no object.
I would be more excited than butt hurt over the changes. I can live with a poor record again.

[ClassicO]

Replacing the void left by moving Willson Contreras…

Cardinals Looking To Add Right-Handed Hitting Outfielder

Names include:
Willi Castro
Miguel Andujar
Luis Rengifo
Austin Hays
Tommy Pham
Chas McCormick

From that list I prefer Andujar or Hayes.

Keep playing the kids. Try Herrera in LF. Baez should get a shot at some point. Try more Church. Even try Torres.
None of those players listed above are going to make a difference.

[StlMike1969]

Replacing the void left by moving Willson Contreras…

Cardinals Looking To Add Right-Handed Hitting Outfielder

Names include:
Willi Castro
Miguel Andujar
Luis Rengifo
Austin Hays
Tommy Pham
Chas McCormick

From that list I prefer Andujar or Hayes.

Keep playing the kids. Try Herrera in LF. Baez should get a shot at some point. Try more Church. Even try Torres.
None of those players listed above are going to make a difference.

Exactly! The team is low on the payroll and long on wanting to see what they got. They cannot say that any more times than they have already. Some on here apparently like the Mozeliak way of building and bringing in the aged vets that don't do anything special than fill a spot. If all your going to get is .250 and 15 HR's then play the kids that have the potential to be better with experience and forget about all these supposed FA vets. The only thing Bloom should be doing is find a good trade partner for that controllable young guy that can grow with this team. Otherwise work from in house.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Replacing the void left by moving Willson Contreras…

Cardinals Looking To Add Right-Handed Hitting Outfielder

Names include:
Willi Castro
Miguel Andujar
Luis Rengifo
Austin Hays
Tommy Pham
Chas McCormick

From that list I prefer Andujar or Hayes.

Keep playing the kids. Try Herrera in LF. Baez should get a shot at some point. Try more Church. Even try Torres.
None of those players listed above are going to make a difference.

Agree with looking more often at Herrera in LF, giving Church more opps, and seeing Torres at a number of positions. I am hopeful about Baez, but don't want to have any MLB expectations of him next season. If he makes it, fine. I would like to see Baiez and Chase Davis go to Memphis and really kick the door down to the point that you just know you have to give them a look. I wouldn't bring either one of them up on a hope.

[renostl]

Trade Arenado for Castellanos.
Maybe sign Pham to a minor league contract with a NRI.
Victor
Walker
Burleson in the mix
Church backup
Noot traded

NC in right field
JW in LF
VS in CF

If Pham makes the team, he shares some time w JW and NC, but he’s mostly a backup. Church is a def replacement and spot starter. Burleson plays here and there in the OF.

You lost me with Pham.

If a trade for more longevity can not had.
it's works.
NA for NC can stand alone.

If any of the talk about Seattle holds true.
Arroyo has some intrigue. Not a big power hitter
but 20-25 maybe

Well let me remind you that TP would be a NRI.

I assume Arroyo would be part of a Donovan trade? That’s cool, but we are talking about two different things.

No need for Pham. He is mostly done.
Whatever you might flip him can be found in the
MiLB FA bin.

Arroyo or any player is part of the 26 why not use those spots for players who could be a part of a team.
I understand the desire of flipping, I see it with NC.
IMO TP is very low hanging fruit that may have zero desire to be in St Louis. There more value to just keeping Lars and seeing if he increases his value

I’m not talking about flipping Pham. If he struggles, he can be released. It’s like the 2004 cards bringing in Roger Cedeno.

As far as having NCon the team and possibly flipping him….every offseason on CardsTalk I have to remind CTers how freaking long the mlb season is and how many innings pitched and plate appearances are required.

Assuming they trade for Arroyo, they don’t need to clear out the outfield options in order for him to get a large chunk of PT over 162 games.

Maybe you are feeling an obligation to remind that doesn't always exist.

TP is a product of reporters saying he has some great desire to win.
Somehow more than others who can show discipline that TP doesn't.

There isn't any need or upside for this player on any team.
Let the 38 y/o ghost of TP go, you have far superior ideas than this one.
Instead of trading LN and signing TP keep Lars.

[Carp4Cy]

I believe that Bader is in his prime and could potentially outperform a 2 year contract.

Agree.

Funny because I mentioned Bader almost three months ago and everyone here said it would/should never happen.

[ClassicO]

Replacing the void left by moving Willson Contreras…

Cardinals Looking To Add Right-Handed Hitting Outfielder

Names include:
Willi Castro
Miguel Andujar
Luis Rengifo
Austin Hays
Tommy Pham
Chas McCormick

From that list I prefer Andujar or Hayes.

Keep playing the kids. Try Herrera in LF. Baez should get a shot at some point. Try more Church. Even try Torres.
None of those players listed above are going to make a difference.

Agree with looking more often at Herrera in LF, giving Church more opps, and seeing Torres at a number of positions. I am hopeful about Baez, but don't want to have any MLB expectations of him next season. If he makes it, fine. I would like to see Baiez and Chase Davis go to Memphis and really kick the door down to the point that you just know you have to give them a look. I wouldn't bring either one of them up on a hope.

I watched a lot of MiLB games last year thanks to the archive element of that subscription, and Davis was a major disappointment offensively (and surprisingly good defensively). His pitch recognition and huge swing are a major problems, as he misses pitches by big margins.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Replacing the void left by moving Willson Contreras…

Cardinals Looking To Add Right-Handed Hitting Outfielder

Names include:
Willi Castro
Miguel Andujar
Luis Rengifo
Austin Hays
Tommy Pham
Chas McCormick

From that list I prefer Andujar or Hayes.

Keep playing the kids. Try Herrera in LF. Baez should get a shot at some point. Try more Church. Even try Torres.
None of those players listed above are going to make a difference.

Agree with looking more often at Herrera in LF, giving Church more opps, and seeing Torres at a number of positions. I am hopeful about Baez, but don't want to have any MLB expectations of him next season. If he makes it, fine. I would like to see Baiez and Chase Davis go to Memphis and really kick the door down to the point that you just know you have to give them a look. I wouldn't bring either one of them up on a hope.

I watched a lot of MiLB games last year thanks to the archive element of that subscription, and Davis was a major disappointment offensively (and surprisingly good defensively). His pitch recognition and huge swing are a major problems, as he misses pitches by big margins.

From the outside looking in at the boxscores, it seems like his results got quite a bit better from July (or so) on. Is that accurate, or do you think that was a fluke?

[renostl]

I believe that Bader is in his prime and could potentially outperform a 2 year contract.

Agree.

Funny because I mentioned Bader almost three months ago and everyone here said it would/should never happen.

He could work.
That 2yr contract is where it might become sticky. 2/$32, 3/$40
He scored his career year by a lot. His best by far since 2021.
2022-2024 he's a D replacement level. The point this is his payday.

What do you think it would take?

[Basil Shabazz]

I believe that Bader is in his prime and could potentially outperform a 2 year contract.

Agree.

Funny because I mentioned Bader almost three months ago and everyone here said it would/should never happen.

Thanks. Some try to flame me over this opinion, but Bader would be a perfect 4th OF Zfor this LH heavy team

[ecleme22]

I believe that Bader is in his prime and could potentially outperform a 2 year contract.

Agree.

Funny because I mentioned Bader almost three months ago and everyone here said it would/should never happen.

Thanks. Some try to flame me over this opinion, but Bader would be a perfect 4th OF Zfor this LH heavy team

Read the room.

Bader is coming off his best season in years and is a FA approaching 33 years old.

There’s no doubt he’s positioning for his last ‘big’ contract, which could be over 30mil for 2-3 years.

[Goldfan]

I believe that Bader is in his prime and could potentially outperform a 2 year contract.

Agree.

Funny because I mentioned Bader almost three months ago and everyone here said it would/should never happen.

Thanks. Some try to flame me over this opinion, but Bader would be a perfect 4th OF Zfor this LH heavy team

Read the room.

Bader is coming off his best season in years and is a FA approaching 33 years old.

There’s no doubt he’s positioning for his last ‘big’ contract, which could be over 30mil for 2-3 years.

Harry Bader…..the best CF in the game…..33yr old…..what could’ve been….

[Basil Shabazz]

I believe that Bader is in his prime and could potentially outperform a 2 year contract.

Agree.

Funny because I mentioned Bader almost three months ago and everyone here said it would/should never happen.

Thanks. Some try to flame me over this opinion, but Bader would be a perfect 4th OF Zfor this LH heavy team

Read the room.

Bader is coming off his best season in years and is a FA approaching 33 years old.

There’s no doubt he’s positioning for his last ‘big’ contract, which could be over 30mil for 2-3 years.

Read the room? Coming from the guy blowing the Nick Castellsnos and T Pham trumpet?

You are laughable.

Most reports have him anywhere from 2/16 yo 3/36.

I'd go 2/16 in a heartbeat. Another tradeable piece at the deadline.

Good luck dealing Castellanos at the deadline.

You really don’t understand how this rebuild thing works. Especially with a lockout on the horizon

[ClassicO]

Replacing the void left by moving Willson Contreras…

Cardinals Looking To Add Right-Handed Hitting Outfielder

Names include:
Willi Castro
Miguel Andujar
Luis Rengifo
Austin Hays
Tommy Pham
Chas McCormick

From that list I prefer Andujar or Hayes.

Keep playing the kids. Try Herrera in LF. Baez should get a shot at some point. Try more Church. Even try Torres.
None of those players listed above are going to make a difference.

Agree with looking more often at Herrera in LF, giving Church more opps, and seeing Torres at a number of positions. I am hopeful about Baez, but don't want to have any MLB expectations of him next season. If he makes it, fine. I would like to see Baiez and Chase Davis go to Memphis and really kick the door down to the point that you just know you have to give them a look. I wouldn't bring either one of them up on a hope.

I watched a lot of MiLB games last year thanks to the archive element of that subscription, and Davis was a major disappointment offensively (and surprisingly good defensively). His pitch recognition and huge swing are a major problems, as he misses pitches by big margins.

From the outside looking in at the boxscores, it seems like his results got quite a bit better from July (or so) on. Is that accurate, or do you think that was a fluke?

You're right that he finished strong in a short September, but he was all over the place, as the screenshot below shows. He can't hit LHP. Not much power (10 HRs) for a guy who seems to swing for the fences every AB. He's fallen to the #26 prospect for STL and that says volumes for the former #1 pick. Last - note his troubles with older pitchers, which he'd see at the big league level.

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