Why Army does not want draft picks in return...

[Nublues69]

I do my best to broadcast Army-isms... He's such a smart GM.

I've let Islander fans know that Schaeffer was the wrong choice. Schaeffer does not FIT into their core age group. They are going to really regret the pick.

more like grayisms from a gray boy

[Jeff Goldblum]

I do my best to broadcast Army-isms... He's such a smart GM.

I've let Islander fans know that Schaeffer was the wrong choice. Schaeffer does not FIT into their core age group. They are going to really regret the pick.

Aren’t you one of those that constantly whines about tanking for Top 5 Picks? Now you’re whining about the #1 Overall Pick?

The Islanders dealt Dobson, Drafted Schaefer, and went from Worst team the prior season to potential Metropolitan Division Champ w/a shot at the #1 Seed in the East. They are 3 Points behind Carolina & Detroit.

What an absurd take.

While BleedingBleu doesn't understand ASOGG at all, he does understand the NHL HOCKEY DRAFT and what it brings to NHL teams pretty well!!!!

Thank you BleedingBleu for saying what I have been saying for years. It's refreshing to see it in print.

Cool. Now do Erik Johnson… or Owen Power, Alexis Lafreniere, Rasmus Dailin, Nail Yakupov, etc

I never said that a TOP5 pick guaranteed greatness. I only say that the very best NHL teams are powered by their successful TOP5 picks.

So how are the Blues going to acquire their Crosby, Celebrini, Draisitl, or Pietrangelo talent to win another Cup? Do you think that our great abundance of 3rd-liners are going to gang tackle the other team's McKinnon?

Pietrangelo isn't the reason the Blues won a cup. He just happened to be along for the ride.

[a smell of green grass]

I do my best to broadcast Army-isms... He's such a smart GM.

I've let Islander fans know that Schaeffer was the wrong choice. Schaeffer does not FIT into their core age group. They are going to really regret the pick.

Aren’t you one of those that constantly whines about tanking for Top 5 Picks? Now you’re whining about the #1 Overall Pick?

The Islanders dealt Dobson, Drafted Schaefer, and went from Worst team the prior season to potential Metropolitan Division Champ w/a shot at the #1 Seed in the East. They are 3 Points behind Carolina & Detroit.

What an absurd take.

While BleedingBleu doesn't understand ASOGG at all, he does understand the NHL HOCKEY DRAFT and what it brings to NHL teams pretty well!!!!

Thank you BleedingBleu for saying what I have been saying for years. It's refreshing to see it in print.

Cool. Now do Erik Johnson… or Owen Power, Alexis Lafreniere, Rasmus Dailin, Nail Yakupov, etc

I never said that a TOP5 pick guaranteed greatness. I only say that the very best NHL teams are powered by their successful TOP5 picks.

So how are the Blues going to acquire their Crosby, Celebrini, Draisitl, or Pietrangelo talent to win another Cup? Do you think that our great abundance of 3rd-liners are going to gang tackle the other team's McKinnon?

Pietrangelo isn't the reason the Blues won a cup. He just happened to be along for the ride.

Wow. That Pietrangelo is a lucky chap. After leaving St Louis, he went for the same ride with Vegas.

Evidently, Goldblum can't distinguish passengers from drivers.

[Bubble4427]

I do my best to broadcast Army-isms... He's such a smart GM.

I've let Islander fans know that Schaeffer was the wrong choice. Schaeffer does not FIT into their core age group. They are going to really regret the pick.

Aren’t you one of those that constantly whines about tanking for Top 5 Picks? Now you’re whining about the #1 Overall Pick?

The Islanders dealt Dobson, Drafted Schaefer, and went from Worst team the prior season to potential Metropolitan Division Champ w/a shot at the #1 Seed in the East. They are 3 Points behind Carolina & Detroit.

What an absurd take.

While BleedingBleu doesn't understand ASOGG at all, he does understand the NHL HOCKEY DRAFT and what it brings to NHL teams pretty well!!!!

Thank you BleedingBleu for saying what I have been saying for years. It's refreshing to see it in print.

Cool. Now do Erik Johnson… or Owen Power, Alexis Lafreniere, Rasmus Dailin, Nail Yakupov, etc

I never said that a TOP5 pick guaranteed greatness. I only say that the very best NHL teams are powered by their successful TOP5 picks.

So how are the Blues going to acquire their Crosby, Celebrini, Draisitl, or Pietrangelo talent to win another Cup? Do you think that our great abundance of 3rd-liners are going to gang tackle the other team's McKinnon?

You realize 2 of the 4 guys you listed haven't won anything either....
No guarantees in hockey or life.

You have stated numerous times that a teams success is not near as important to you as having a superstar.
That's your opinion....shared by many casual fans or wives who don't know the game but are dragged to the game because their husband is making them go. This will be my only post over the next 2 days....enjoy your Christmas and troll on...

[a smell of green grass]

I do my best to broadcast Army-isms... He's such a smart GM.

I've let Islander fans know that Schaeffer was the wrong choice. Schaeffer does not FIT into their core age group. They are going to really regret the pick.

Aren’t you one of those that constantly whines about tanking for Top 5 Picks? Now you’re whining about the #1 Overall Pick?

The Islanders dealt Dobson, Drafted Schaefer, and went from Worst team the prior season to potential Metropolitan Division Champ w/a shot at the #1 Seed in the East. They are 3 Points behind Carolina & Detroit.

What an absurd take.

While BleedingBleu doesn't understand ASOGG at all, he does understand the NHL HOCKEY DRAFT and what it brings to NHL teams pretty well!!!!

Thank you BleedingBleu for saying what I have been saying for years. It's refreshing to see it in print.

Cool. Now do Erik Johnson… or Owen Power, Alexis Lafreniere, Rasmus Dailin, Nail Yakupov, etc

I never said that a TOP5 pick guaranteed greatness. I only say that the very best NHL teams are powered by their successful TOP5 picks.

So how are the Blues going to acquire their Crosby, Celebrini, Draisitl, or Pietrangelo talent to win another Cup? Do you think that our great abundance of 3rd-liners are going to gang tackle the other team's McKinnon?

You realize 2 of the 4 guys you listed haven't won anything either....
No guarantees in hockey or life.

You have stated numerous times that a teams success is not near as important to you as having a superstar.
That's your opinion....shared by many casual fans or wives who don't know the game but are dragged to the game because their husband is making them go. This will be my only post over the next 2 days....enjoy your Christmas and troll on...

Every NHL city understands the value of superstars. As an example, Colorado, Minnesota, and Dallas each have 2. Ownership knows that the fans are owed the ability to watch a superstar every game. These fans are smart enough to know that superstars are a necessary component to a Stanley Cup run.

Here in St Louis, however, the fans believe that their 3rd-line is the only essential component for a Stanley Cup. This is because the many Army's wives believe whatever their Superstar Husband and GM says. These women don't ever question their Superstar husband.

Enjoy your Superstar GM and continue to just suck on the hind one of the NHL.

[BluesDom]

What do you want? What's the point?

Should we purposely lose to get a top pick? How do we accomplish this tank?
Why do we need to do this?

[hullie]

What do you want? What's the point?

Should we purposely lose to get a top pick? How do we accomplish this tank?
Why do we need to do this?

Makes zero sense. What year is the Chicago rebuild in now?

[BluesDom]

2018 #8 overall Adam Boqvist No longer a blackhawk
2019 #3 overall Kirby Dach No longer a blackhawk
2020 #17 overall Lukas Reichel No longer a blackhawk
2021 #32 Nolan Allen in AHL

2022 #7 overall Korchinski in AHL
2022 #13 Frank Nazar--producing in nHL

2023 #1 Bedard Gone be awesome
2023 # 19 Oliver Moore 9 pits so far this year in NHL

2024 #2 overall Artyom Levshunov---in NHL
2025 #3 Frondell


Looks like the more recent picks may propel Hawks to be relevant again.
18-21--not much to show for their stinking.
'
Chicago will be good again.

[Jeff Goldblum]

I do my best to broadcast Army-isms... He's such a smart GM.

I've let Islander fans know that Schaeffer was the wrong choice. Schaeffer does not FIT into their core age group. They are going to really regret the pick.

Aren’t you one of those that constantly whines about tanking for Top 5 Picks? Now you’re whining about the #1 Overall Pick?

The Islanders dealt Dobson, Drafted Schaefer, and went from Worst team the prior season to potential Metropolitan Division Champ w/a shot at the #1 Seed in the East. They are 3 Points behind Carolina & Detroit.

What an absurd take.

While BleedingBleu doesn't understand ASOGG at all, he does understand the NHL HOCKEY DRAFT and what it brings to NHL teams pretty well!!!!

Thank you BleedingBleu for saying what I have been saying for years. It's refreshing to see it in print.

Cool. Now do Erik Johnson… or Owen Power, Alexis Lafreniere, Rasmus Dailin, Nail Yakupov, etc

I never said that a TOP5 pick guaranteed greatness. I only say that the very best NHL teams are powered by their successful TOP5 picks.

So how are the Blues going to acquire their Crosby, Celebrini, Draisitl, or Pietrangelo talent to win another Cup? Do you think that our great abundance of 3rd-liners are going to gang tackle the other team's McKinnon?

Pietrangelo isn't the reason the Blues won a cup. He just happened to be along for the ride.

Wow. That Pietrangelo is a lucky chap. After leaving St Louis, he went for the same ride with Vegas.

Evidently, Goldblum can't distinguish passengers from drivers.

What was Vegas's full roster? How many years did pietrangelo play for the blues before they won? If anybody was the driver, it was binnington because they were last in the league until he was brought up. Schwartz was the driver in the playoffs. Parayko/bouwmeester were the shutdown pairing.

[Bacchk29]

What do you want? What's the point?

Should we purposely lose to get a top pick? How do we accomplish this tank?
Why do we need to do this?

Makes zero sense. What year is the Chicago rebuild in now?

He didn’t say he wanted a full rebuild. It’s an opportunity to draft high in a deep draft. Why wouldn’t you sell the vets who won’t be here for the next run?

[Harry S Deals]

I do my best to broadcast Army-isms... He's such a smart GM.

I've let Islander fans know that Schaeffer was the wrong choice. Schaeffer does not FIT into their core age group. They are going to really regret the pick.

Aren’t you one of those that constantly whines about tanking for Top 5 Picks? Now you’re whining about the #1 Overall Pick?

The Islanders dealt Dobson, Drafted Schaefer, and went from Worst team the prior season to potential Metropolitan Division Champ w/a shot at the #1 Seed in the East. They are 3 Points behind Carolina & Detroit.

What an absurd take.

The Islanders had the #10 pick and some how won the lottery and went all the way to #1 isnt this correct? The Islanders didn't tank they had something like a 3% chance. Didn't the Rangers also win the draft lottery with a #10 spot? I could be wrong it's not worth looking up and spending any time on these ridiculous posts. The market will determine the value of Faulk, Schenn, etc Army doesn't make these decisions alone in a vacuum it's an organizational decision Army consults with the rest of the management group before a huge decision is made. Schenn is a good bottom 6 player on a Cup team that maybe worth a #1 and a prospect time will tell

[seattleblue]

lol the moral cavity that is dierker told me in a private message that this whole "gray boy" stuff was literally a reverse racism where nublues isn't constantly telling people they're gay ... on Christmas ... no, dierker says it's he's insulting a white person, calling the white person "gray."

I had asked respectfully if he wouldn't mind moderating that particular one. that is the moral grotesquerie of dierker in case you didn't know prior. Naturally because he is one I told him he was a thoroughgoing moral failure. another reason I am not around as much ...

[BleedingBleu]

I do my best to broadcast Army-isms... He's such a smart GM.

I've let Islander fans know that Schaeffer was the wrong choice. Schaeffer does not FIT into their core age group. They are going to really regret the pick.

Aren’t you one of those that constantly whines about tanking for Top 5 Picks? Now you’re whining about the #1 Overall Pick?

The Islanders dealt Dobson, Drafted Schaefer, and went from Worst team the prior season to potential Metropolitan Division Champ w/a shot at the #1 Seed in the East. They are 3 Points behind Carolina & Detroit.

What an absurd take.

The Islanders had the #10 pick and some how won the lottery and went all the way to #1 isnt this correct? The Islanders didn't tank they had something like a 3% chance. Didn't the Rangers also win the draft lottery with a #10 spot? I could be wrong it's not worth looking up and spending any time on these ridiculous posts. The market will determine the value of Faulk, Schenn, etc Army doesn't make these decisions alone in a vacuum it's an organizational decision Army consults with the rest of the management group before a huge decision is made. Schenn is a good bottom 6 player on a Cup team that maybe worth a #1 and a prospect time will tell

No, you were correct. I misspoke

[a smell of green grass]

Let's conclude this thread with a summary...

1) Good players bring winning, not a good player in the same core age group. Matthew Schaefer is younger than the rest of the Islanders. Is anyone doubting if he will be a net-positive for their Stanley Cup chances? Draft picks is how Schaefer is found. Saying that you can't use draft picks because you need players in the same age group is equal to saying that you can't use a talent like Matthew Schaeffer. It's a ridiculous claim, and no one should believe it.

2) Army proclaiming that he wants a young player instead of draft picks is not a message to other NHL teams. The target group for the message is the STL fans. No way that Schenn would bring anything higher than a Round #2 pick, and no GM would trade a regular, starter, contributing, Captain like Schenn for a Round 2 pick. With his message, Army is conditioning fans to NOT EXPECT draft picks when we jettison our veterans. A trade is the only option for our trade bait. Don't expect a return similar to what the Islanders got for Noah Dobson is the real message that Army is sending.

3) Army has told us repeatedly that our best players are lesser than other team's best players. We believe him. It's obvious. So why doesn't he tell us how he is going to fix this situation? St Louis fans should demand that answer.

[Jeff Goldblum]

Give it a rest, man.

[DawgDad]

Let's not close it. ASOGG, you are overlooking a couple of key points, perhaps intentionally. Let's see how long it takes you to acknowledge what they are.