Well...If they can move the Chiefs....Goodbye Cardinals

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

Loyalty? They are an entertainment business.

They are the "St Louis" Cardinals. That's why fans go to see them. What the hell are you on about.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

The Cardinals aren't going to move to Illinois. Why would they do that? For new stadium that the public is going to pay way more for? It's Illinois. They're going through this right now with the Bears and are going out of their way not to appease the ownership there. As long as the political situation in Illinois stays basically the way it is, it ain't happening.

[rockondlouie]

ZERO

REPEAT

ZERO

Chance the Cardinals ever leave St. Louis.

First they'd never move and second MLB would NEVER, EVER okay one of their crown jewel franchises leaving St. Louis.

Anyone who thinks this is happening is loco.

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.

Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.

Your cool with teams abandoning their cities that they've played in for a long time. Cool for you I guess. They are moving like 20 miles....to another frigging state.

St. Louis to me means the Greater St. Louis Area, not the tiny 66 sq miles, under 300k population city boundary.

If they move out of St Louis then they aren't the "St Louis Cardinals". Not to mention the impact the move will have on the downtown economy. All those workers can't or won't relocate. You just can't speak about a great and storied franchise the same if they move.

I live in St Charles county and still like the Cardinals. My niece lives in Arkansas and still likes the Cardinals. I think you are overreacting.

Well, I certainly can speak for myself anyway. They move, I quit watching. The Rams left St Louis and I haven't watched a game since. If you don't care where a team plays then you might as well be Dodgers or Yankee's fans.

[cardinalsfever44]

ZERO

REPEAT

ZERO

Chance the Cardinals ever leave St. Louis.

First they'd never move and second MLB would NEVER, EVER okay one of their crown jewel franchises leaving St. Louis.

Anyone who thinks this is happening is loco.

Especially to a smaller market like Nashville, which is already mostly Braves territory. This isn't like the Rams situation where the 2nd biggest market in the league was sitting empty. A move from St. Louis to Nashville makes less than ZERO sense.

[rockondlouie]

ZERO

REPEAT

ZERO

Chance the Cardinals ever leave St. Louis.

First they'd never move and second MLB would NEVER, EVER okay one of their crown jewel franchises leaving St. Louis.

Anyone who thinks this is happening is loco.

Especially to a smaller market like Nashville, which is already mostly Braves territory. This isn't like the Rams situation where the 2nd biggest market in the league was sitting empty. A move from St. Louis to Nashville makes less than ZERO sense.

No doubt

And the Rams went back HOME to L.A.

Don't even waste one brain cell on this topic, it's NEVER HAPPENING.

[scoutyjones2]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

Loyalty? They are an entertainment business.

They are the "St Louis" Cardinals. That's why fans go to see them. What the hell are you on about.

Your post (bleep)...

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.

Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.

Your cool with teams abandoning their cities that they've played in for a long time. Cool for you I guess. They are moving like 20 miles....to another frigging state.

Why would I care if the Cardinals moved to East St. Louis?

I guess that's up to you. It bothers some people and some people don't care. You could be a Yankee or Dodger fan living in Missouri i guess.

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

The Kansas City Chiefs will still be the Kansas City Chiefs. It’s basically if the Cardinals decided to build their next stadium in Chesterfield.

So it's okay to move a franchise if the "billionaire" owners can get a tax funded stadium and a better deal huh. Wow.

Are sports teams any different than any other business? You run your business where it is most efficient and profitable to run it. So yea, its ok. How far might not be preferable to the fans, but it is a business. Like another poster said. 2 of NYs football teams play in NJ. Their fans DONT CARE . They still sell out every game.

Why even bother. Just go for the gold. The Yankees are far and away the most successful MLB team, just root for them. I mean location doesn't matter right? Only dollars matter. All for sale. All for sale.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I have no use for the Chiefs, so I don't care that they're moving to wherever. And I'm very happy the state of Missouri is not helping to bankroll a new stadium for them. There are a lot better uses for our tax money than for subsidizing billionaires.

Yea, [fork] the Chiefs. I tried being a fan after the Rams left, but I can stop now. Let them scrounge for every last cent somewhere else.

[dugoutrex]

'congratulations to the entire state of Kansas'

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

Do you even want them here? Doesn't seem like any of you "BFIB" want, like or support them. Who gave up on who?

Schools suffering from shortages, infrastructure crumbling, property taxes going up but tax funded stadiums for billionaires should take precedence? Mercenaries go to the highest bidders. This team had plenty of support when they wanted to win but losing breeds indifference....and they know that.

Haven't been to Kansas City (MO) in a few years maybe 5, but last time I was there I had a good time. Things looked good, people seemed content and as happy as anywhere else. I think your question is better suited for the people of Kanas (the state). I'm on the opposite side of this, pro sports teams bring in revenues, they attract attention, make people feel good, bring a sense of pride to folks (if done right), and greatly impact communities. When i think of Kansas City, I think of the Chiefs and Royals. When I think of Kansas, I think of trash that really has nothing.

It's been studied to death. Tax payer funded stadiums have a negative overall impact. With all that "revenue" which mostly goes to the owners, there also is added strain on infrastructure. More police presence, more services, more strain on traffic and trash collection. That's just a few of the things. There's no doubt that if brings in tourist revenue as well as an uptick in sales taxes and such, but that stadium has a life expectancy also. So in a decade or 15 years there will have to some some renovations and then the inevitable "we need a new tax payer funded stadium" cry.

Fair enough and I respect your point. This to me isn't necessarily about economics, it's about quality of life and I ask you to respect my point. What is economically beneficial to planting trees, creating a beautiful public park, improving roads and bridges to make them just look better when completely functional etc?

IT MAKES PEOPLE HAPPY!

Maybe it's not the most economically best thing (which is need to investigate) but people want it. Let's look at a bigger picture and include the variables. Do people want nicer things or just what is the best economically? I bet big bucks people and fans want nicer neighborhoods with fun activities far more than just what is best economically. Why would anyone buy the TV that is cool VS a piece of TV that you can watch the same game on? Why would anyone want a 1995 pick up truck VS. A 2026 model? It's kind of better because it makes them feel better.

But tax funded parks benefit everyone that pays taxes. Planting trees benefits everyone. Using tax dollars( that every pays in) to subsidize a billionaires business is just wrong. Especially in this economy when people are getting their food subsidies and healthcare subsidies whacked radically. How you don't see that is beyond me. Everyone wants nice neighborhoods but not everyone wants their tax dollars to go to a billionaires pet hobby. Especially when said billionaire could pay for it him/her self.This isn't rocket science here. We have real people in real need and they deserve for their tax dollars to be used responsibly. Just like the whole gambling thing. It's just a way to funnel money from poor and stupid people to those that don't need or deserve it. The lottery started out as a way to help schools, then once established they cut the taxes for the schools, so the schools got shafted. Now instead of the wealthy paying their share of the tax burden we have the poor and middle class paying more because gambling on the lotter is basically a poor person tax. The wealthy don't play or pay.

[earp]

Montreal government interest in MLB return

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.

Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.

Your cool with teams abandoning their cities that they've played in for a long time. Cool for you I guess. They are moving like 20 miles....to another frigging state.

St. Louis to me means the Greater St. Louis Area, not the tiny 66 sq miles, under 300k population city boundary.

If they move out of St Louis then they aren't the "St Louis Cardinals". Not to mention the impact the move will have on the downtown economy. All those workers can't or won't relocate. You just can't speak about a great and storied franchise the same if they move.

lol if they move to another municipality within St. Louis County why would they still not be the St. Louis Cardinals?

It’s not the Santa Clara 49ers. Or Inglewood Rams. Or East Rutherford Jets/Giants. Or the Cobb County Braves.

Like chill. This is not a new thing. Plus, there’s not even any whispers of the Cardinals relocating or for sale. You’re getting worked up for nothing. They didn’t spend a decade building two phases of Ballpark Village just to pick up and leave.

I'm sure they were saying similar stuff about the Chiefs a while back. True it's not a far move for them, but it is another state. And if they had moved two states away the result would still be the same. The St Louis Browns, The Brooklyn Dodgers, The Montreal Expos. Don't tell me it can't happen. If they were planning to do this what would they do different from what they're doing right now? Nothing.

[BrummerStealsHome]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

lol they’re moving like 20 miles. I don’t think Edwardsville is making a stadium play for the Cardinals.

Hey guess what, the 49ers don’t play in SF anymore either. And both NY football teams play in Jersey.

I'm old enough to remember the Boston Patriots.

It brings up an interesting trivia question. How many NFL teams (or MLB, etc.) play within the city limits of the city in their name?

Here's a quick list off the tip of my head.
NY Giants
Dallas
San Francisco
LA Rams
Miami
LA Chargers
*Arizona
*New England

Arizona and New England don't play in Phoenix and Boston so they belong on this list, even though they changed their name to notate the region.

[CCard]

It's only a matter of time. Sports teams have no loyalty. They are hired mercenaries. Always looking for the Bigger Better Deal. The Chiefs were one of the original teams to begin with. With all that history and fabulous fan support, it still comes down to how much they can extort from another state. Maybe that's what Dewitt and the others are doing. They're going to wreck the franchise and fan base so there won't be such an uproar when they move to Illinois. Sad times and I'm sure some of you will pooh pooh it off as never happening just as I'm sure there are a lot of fans in northern Missouri who are shocked. Makes one wonder if maybe there's too much emphasis on pro sports.

The Cardinals aren't going to move to Illinois. Why would they do that? For new stadium that the public is going to pay way more for? It's Illinois. They're going through this right now with the Bears and are going out of their way not to appease the ownership there. As long as the political situation in Illinois stays basically the way it is, it ain't happening.

Your trying to make this political? It's not political at all. Facts are facts. Illinois has a far larger GDP than Missouri. This is all about the dollars. Billionaires (as we've seen with Stan Kronke) have no loyalty. They want more money and that is just about that.