Contreras to Red Sox

[Midrange Jay]

I'm not excited about tanking 2026 and 2027 but this Contreras trade appears to be a good move in the strategy they have chosen. The just saved another $10M in 2026 and $23M in 2027 and as the payroll continues to go down, it is possible they will add to the 2026 and 2027 rosters. Presently, this seems like a 70 win team. Lots of offseason to go...

I am excited that the Cards seem to be making better long term decisions. They have a pretty good farm system now so there's hope for the future. It may be a bit rough waiting though. If they win most trades, develop well, and make smarter FA signings, they will turn this ship around eventually.

What are the long term acquisitions we have amassed during this offseason of salary dump? The only ones I can see are Clarke and Fajardo. The rest appear to be roster filler. Tanking will, in theory, get us better draft picks.

[Bomber1]

Wasn’t worried about how much Bloom seems tunnel focused on the Red Sox till now.

Concerning he can’t seem to work with anyone else.

It has been reported all along that Boston was the top player in the game for WC.

I haven't read that other teams refuse to deal with him. If what you say is fact, that is concerning.

Contreras also had a NTC and preferred to stay would waive it only for a very limited number of teams so that severely limited blooms options. Same with gray so to draw the conclusion he can’t work with anyone else from that is crazy

I have no problem with him dealing with Boston, other than, are we sure he still isn’t working for them?
I mean, Boston has a lot of good prospects and MLB ready players who are currently blocked. But we get a guy who has torn his ACL. “ twice” , and projects to be a #4, at best starter!
I can’t believe some of you people actually approve of this deal.
I’ve always been against him Trading Donovan, but now I’m terrified of what that return will look like!

You must have loved the Cards’ last 3 years.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

That is correct. 2 HR's in 122.2 IP. 2.93 ERA, 147 K's and 1.13 WHIP. He's also only 18.

That's awesome. If he was a high school draft pick and put up those numbers, people would be very excited about him.

[Bomber1]

Older, relatively highly paid vets have no home in a rebuild. It's that simple. Call it what you like, he had to go.

Correct and I said this last year……if this was the end game it should’ve been initiated LAST offseason instead of ASKING if these guys wanted to stay.
The time wasted by this ownership…….

The former regime kept trying to "compete" with an inadequate base rather than clearing house so, yes, it should have been initiated last year or even before that. But it wasn't then so the time is now.

They had to ask if they wanted to stay. They had no trade clauses, the team couldn't just move them without their say so. Arenado said no last year. End of story. Gray and Contreras said they wanted to stay. End of story. Blame the previous guy for getting them into this mess, not the current guy for doing what he can to start getting them out of it.

If you don't have the stomach for a re-build go away and come back when the weather is more fair.

Good post.

[rockondlouie]

Best of luck to an outstanding player who did nothing but show class during his time here.

Good luck WillyC!

[Bomber1]

I mean we already didn’t have any RH bats and now we lose our best one? Lol

This is about moving Herrera to 1B.

That thought occurred to me as well.

omg Web7 thought LongCon was our best RH bat? That guy is still batship cray-cray.

Herrera looked fine in LF to me. Would much rather see him there than catching. He's far too injury-prone to be behind the plate.

IMO it’s stupid to even consider Herrera at C. They have Pages, Crooks, Pozo, Bernal, Rodriguez.

But let’s make them all take a backseat so that Herrera can catch. After all that’s what Herrera “wants to do”.

Yet let’s roll with Nootbaar, Scot, and Walker in the outfield again, especially since those 3 have been so productive.

[Hoosier59]

Wasn’t worried about how much Bloom seems tunnel focused on the Red Sox till now.

Concerning he can’t seem to work with anyone else.

It has been reported all along that Boston was the top player in the game for WC.

I haven't read that other teams refuse to deal with him. If what you say is fact, that is concerning.

Contreras also had a NTC and preferred to stay would waive it only for a very limited number of teams so that severely limited blooms options. Same with gray so to draw the conclusion he can’t work with anyone else from that is crazy

I have no problem with him dealing with Boston, other than, are we sure he still isn’t working for them?
I mean, Boston has a lot of good prospects and MLB ready players who are currently blocked. But we get a guy who has torn his ACL. “ twice” , and projects to be a #4, at best starter!
I can’t believe some of you people actually approve of this deal.
I’ve always been against him Trading Donovan, but now I’m terrified of what that return will look like!

You must have loved the Cards’ last 3 years.

Actually, no, I did not. Mo constantly stopped short of adding what was needed to field a team that could really compete!
Now, we are so far away from competing that who knows when or if we will ever see it again!
My Brother won’t! I lost him last week. He was a big Cardinal's fan, who loved collecting memorabilia of McGwire, Pujols, Yadi, and other former Cardinal greats.
Looks like it’s going to be many years before there are any of those types of players in Cardinals’ Red again.

[Goldfan]

Older, relatively highly paid vets have no home in a rebuild. It's that simple. Call it what you like, he had to go.

Correct and I said this last year……if this was the end game it should’ve been initiated LAST offseason instead of ASKING if these guys wanted to stay.
The time wasted by this ownership…….

The former regime kept trying to "compete" with an inadequate base rather than clearing house so, yes, it should have been initiated last year or even before that. But it wasn't then so the time is now.

They had to ask if they wanted to stay. They had no trade clauses, the team couldn't just move them without their say so. Arenado said no last year. End of story. Gray and Contreras said they wanted to stay. End of story. Blame the previous guy for getting them into this mess, not the current guy for doing what he can to start getting them out of it.

If you don't have the stomach for a re-build go away and come back when the weather is more fair.

Good post.

Last season was “Let the Youth Play”…..Even the FO’s official public stance had nothing to do vets or winning. BDW and MO and Bloom should’ve traded ALL those contracts last offseason. Instead they ASKED if they wanted to stay
Again this Ownership doesn’t care about wasting time……or your money…..or your allegiance…..if any fan actually looks at this cluster with a realistic eye they wouldn’t put another dime into chitshow. NOW BDW is loading his own pockets with payroll and the fan will wait multiple seasons with great anticipation for Bloom “rebuild” to emerge. Nothing returned in trades so far is going launch a glorious rebuild.

[Bomber1]

Older, relatively highly paid vets have no home in a rebuild. It's that simple. Call it what you like, he had to go.

Correct and I said this last year……if this was the end game it should’ve been initiated LAST offseason instead of ASKING if these guys wanted to stay.
The time wasted by this ownership…….

The former regime kept trying to "compete" with an inadequate base rather than clearing house so, yes, it should have been initiated last year or even before that. But it wasn't then so the time is now.

They had to ask if they wanted to stay. They had no trade clauses, the team couldn't just move them without their say so. Arenado said no last year. End of story. Gray and Contreras said they wanted to stay. End of story. Blame the previous guy for getting them into this mess, not the current guy for doing what he can to start getting them out of it.

If you don't have the stomach for a re-build go away and come back when the weather is more fair.

Good post.

Last season was “Let the Youth Play”…..Even the FO’s official public stance had nothing to do vets or winning. BDW and MO and Bloom should’ve traded ALL those contracts last offseason. Instead they ASKED if they wanted to stay
Again this Ownership doesn’t care about wasting time……or your money…..or your allegiance…..if any fan actually looks at this cluster with a realistic eye they wouldn’t put another dime into chitshow. NOW BDW is loading his own pockets with payroll and the fan will wait multiple seasons with great anticipation for Bloom “rebuild” to emerge. Nothing returned in trades so far is going launch a glorious rebuild.

You and I both agreed that Mozeliak is a full-blown idiot. He left on his own terms due to his and DeWitt’s complicity in HackGate. So yes the rebuild was stupidly delayed.

Bloom is not Mozeliak (thank God). He has only been in control for 3 months. At this point I want this team to accumulate as many prospects as possible, and IMO Bloom’s first 2 trades are solid steps towards future contention.

I really don’t understand what you continue to complain about. You hated Mozeliak and the complete lack of a coherent plan under his regime. Now he’s gone, and 3 months later you think this team is never going to win again?

I am willing to give Bloom the benefit of the doubt. And I am willing to give him 3 years, not 3 months, to accomplish his plan, which unlike Mozeliak’s, is a real plan.

[davdaddy]

I'm not excited about tanking 2026 and 2027 but this Contreras trade appears to be a good move in the strategy they have chosen. The just saved another $10M in 2026 and $23M in 2027 and as the payroll continues to go down, it is possible they will add to the 2026 and 2027 rosters. Presently, this seems like a 70 win team. Lots of offseason to go...

I am excited that the Cards seem to be making better long term decisions. They have a pretty good farm system now so there's hope for the future. It may be a bit rough waiting though. If they win most trades, develop well, and make smarter FA signings, they will turn this ship around eventually.

You expressed my thoughts exactly Cardstatman. Change was sorely needed. Now we need to support the plan and enjoy watching the young guys develop.

[Cusecards]

Older, relatively highly paid vets have no home in a rebuild. It's that simple. Call it what you like, he had to go.

Correct and I said this last year……if this was the end game it should’ve been initiated LAST offseason instead of ASKING if these guys wanted to stay.
The time wasted by this ownership…….

The former regime kept trying to "compete" with an inadequate base rather than clearing house so, yes, it should have been initiated last year or even before that. But it wasn't then so the time is now.

They had to ask if they wanted to stay. They had no trade clauses, the team couldn't just move them without their say so. Arenado said no last year. End of story. Gray and Contreras said they wanted to stay. End of story. Blame the previous guy for getting them into this mess, not the current guy for doing what he can to start getting them out of it.

If you don't have the stomach for a re-build go away and come back when the weather is more fair.

Good post.

Perfect post!
The fact that he and Web7 are critical of the deals excites me to no end!
I think everyone here knows their track records for Hindsight Brilliance.

[Goldfan]

Older, relatively highly paid vets have no home in a rebuild. It's that simple. Call it what you like, he had to go.

Correct and I said this last year……if this was the end game it should’ve been initiated LAST offseason instead of ASKING if these guys wanted to stay.
The time wasted by this ownership…….

The former regime kept trying to "compete" with an inadequate base rather than clearing house so, yes, it should have been initiated last year or even before that. But it wasn't then so the time is now.

They had to ask if they wanted to stay. They had no trade clauses, the team couldn't just move them without their say so. Arenado said no last year. End of story. Gray and Contreras said they wanted to stay. End of story. Blame the previous guy for getting them into this mess, not the current guy for doing what he can to start getting them out of it.

If you don't have the stomach for a re-build go away and come back when the weather is more fair.

Good post.

Last season was “Let the Youth Play”…..Even the FO’s official public stance had nothing to do vets or winning. BDW and MO and Bloom should’ve traded ALL those contracts last offseason. Instead they ASKED if they wanted to stay
Again this Ownership doesn’t care about wasting time……or your money…..or your allegiance…..if any fan actually looks at this cluster with a realistic eye they wouldn’t put another dime into chitshow. NOW BDW is loading his own pockets with payroll and the fan will wait multiple seasons with great anticipation for Bloom “rebuild” to emerge. Nothing returned in trades so far is going launch a glorious rebuild.

You and I both agreed that Mozeliak is a full-blown idiot. He left on his own terms due to his and DeWitt’s complicity in HackGate. So yes the rebuild was stupidly delayed.

Bloom is not Mozeliak (thank God). He has only been in control for 3 months. At this point I want this team to accumulate as many prospects as possible, and IMO Bloom’s first 2 trades are solid steps towards future contention.

I really don’t understand what you continue to complain about. You hated Mozeliak and the complete lack of a coherent plan under his regime. Now he’s gone, and 3 months later you think this team is never going to win again?

I am willing to give Bloom the benefit of the doubt. And I am willing to give him 3 years, not 3 months, to accomplish his plan, which unlike Mozeliak’s, is a real plan.

I don’t think Mo was the entire problem. BDW was and is still running the show. And it’s obvious he’s in SAVE MONEY mode. As I’ve stated the return so far are not the difference makers in this “rebuild” process. It’s mostly filler with the hope one shines off in the future…..sometime.
That’s what we’re left with as a Cardinals fan?? Last season was a GIANT waste of time. Keeping Vets when you publicly state the intentions is play all the youth. If WC and GRAY agreed to a trade now they could’ve been persuaded last season. And Bloom was in the house with a signed POBO contract, this thought that he had no say last season is ridiculous

[Goldfan]

Older, relatively highly paid vets have no home in a rebuild. It's that simple. Call it what you like, he had to go.

Correct and I said this last year……if this was the end game it should’ve been initiated LAST offseason instead of ASKING if these guys wanted to stay.
The time wasted by this ownership…….

The former regime kept trying to "compete" with an inadequate base rather than clearing house so, yes, it should have been initiated last year or even before that. But it wasn't then so the time is now.

They had to ask if they wanted to stay. They had no trade clauses, the team couldn't just move them without their say so. Arenado said no last year. End of story. Gray and Contreras said they wanted to stay. End of story. Blame the previous guy for getting them into this mess, not the current guy for doing what he can to start getting them out of it.

If you don't have the stomach for a re-build go away and come back when the weather is more fair.

Good post.

Perfect post!
The fact that he and Web7 are critical of the deals excites me to no end!
I think everyone here knows their track records for Hindsight Brilliance.

Cuse I’m glad you’re excited…..make sure to keep some wet wipes handy

[Cusecards]

Older, relatively highly paid vets have no home in a rebuild. It's that simple. Call it what you like, he had to go.

Correct and I said this last year……if this was the end game it should’ve been initiated LAST offseason instead of ASKING if these guys wanted to stay.
The time wasted by this ownership…….

The former regime kept trying to "compete" with an inadequate base rather than clearing house so, yes, it should have been initiated last year or even before that. But it wasn't then so the time is now.

They had to ask if they wanted to stay. They had no trade clauses, the team couldn't just move them without their say so. Arenado said no last year. End of story. Gray and Contreras said they wanted to stay. End of story. Blame the previous guy for getting them into this mess, not the current guy for doing what he can to start getting them out of it.

If you don't have the stomach for a re-build go away and come back when the weather is more fair.

Good post.

Perfect post!
The fact that he and Web7 are critical of the deals excites me to no end!
I think everyone here knows their track records for Hindsight Brilliance.

Cuse I’m glad you’re excited…..make sure to keep some wet wipes handy

You personify the saying that “Ignorance is Bliss”!
Now that you’ve singled me out as usual please respond to the other half dozen or so posters who share my opinion of your whining and crying.

[ClassicO]

I mean we already didn’t have any RH bats and now we lose our best one? Lol

This is about moving Herrera to 1B.

Probably more Burleson to first

Burleson can already play first.
This is about adding a RH to the mix in replacement of Herrera.
Unless, of course, the Donovan deal is done and yet another 1B is headed to STL.

“Burleson can already play first?!”
By “play” do you mean stand over there?
All stats and the eye test tell us all he’s a stiff at the position - negatives per DRS, OAA and FRV.
Not agile and slow as molasses = no range; and a negative arm. What’s not to like? Ha.

[Goldfan]

Older, relatively highly paid vets have no home in a rebuild. It's that simple. Call it what you like, he had to go.

Correct and I said this last year……if this was the end game it should’ve been initiated LAST offseason instead of ASKING if these guys wanted to stay.
The time wasted by this ownership…….

The former regime kept trying to "compete" with an inadequate base rather than clearing house so, yes, it should have been initiated last year or even before that. But it wasn't then so the time is now.

They had to ask if they wanted to stay. They had no trade clauses, the team couldn't just move them without their say so. Arenado said no last year. End of story. Gray and Contreras said they wanted to stay. End of story. Blame the previous guy for getting them into this mess, not the current guy for doing what he can to start getting them out of it.

If you don't have the stomach for a re-build go away and come back when the weather is more fair.

Good post.

Perfect post!
The fact that he and Web7 are critical of the deals excites me to no end!
I think everyone here knows their track records for Hindsight Brilliance.

Cuse I’m glad you’re excited…..make sure to keep some wet wipes handy

You personify the saying that “Ignorance is Bliss”!
Now that you’ve singled me out as usual please respond to the other half dozen or so posters who share my opinion of your whining and crying.

Cuse….just about every one of your posts calls out my handle whether I’m in that thread or not and when I reply to you you complain about it
Listen enjoy your time on CT, attempting to debate baseball topics with you is like having a conversation with a 2 yr old. Merry Christmas