Contreras to Red Sox

[Ronnie Dobbs]

Fajardo looks like a pretty good get....we'll see. Not familiar with the other guys.

Yep.... Fajardo is the GEM of this trade.

We did GREAT there. Sequera, AD4, Fajardo.... very young RHP ....we need the depth. Palm Beach for all 3, with immediate promotions to Peoria...imo.

He might be 23rd in the Red Sox pipeline...but by mid summer, he'll be that or higher with the Cards. Our system is currently a bit deeper than the Sox, so I'm not sure if he lines up in our Top 30....I would be put him Top 20, imo....his K rate and control are stupendous for an 18yo

Baseball America has him ranked 9th. Seems to be a guy with a lot of potential.

[scoutyjones2]

So Bloom gets what? A (C) for this trade?

This is a nothing move

[craviduce]

Fajardo looks like a pretty good get....we'll see. Not familiar with the other guys.

Yep.... Fajardo is the GEM of this trade.

We did GREAT there. Sequera, AD4, Fajardo.... very young RHP ....we need the depth. Palm Beach for all 3, with immediate promotions to Peoria...imo.

He might be 23rd in the Red Sox pipeline...but by mid summer, he'll be that or higher with the Cards. Our system is currently a bit deeper than the Sox, so I'm not sure if he lines up in our Top 30....I would be put him Top 20, imo....his K rate and control are stupendous for an 18yo

Baseball America has him ranked 9th. Seems to be a guy with a lot of potential.

BA has him that high? Good stuff....I'll read up on him later, I guess.

I'm really stoked about Fajardo. It's becoming a rare thing to find Control from a young Latin pitchers now a days. The focus is more on the Athletic Bats...just seems that way.

Sequera and Fajardo in our system, there's some hope there.

[brock118]

MLB Pipeline has Dobbins rated #14 in the Boston prospect rankings.

He’s not the centerpiece of the return

I didn't see him listed on Boston's prospects. When were these rankings?

[cardinalsfever44]

MLB Pipeline has Dobbins rated #14 in the Boston prospect rankings.

He’s not the centerpiece of the return

I didn't see him listed on Boston's prospects. When were these rankings?

He's not a prospect, he's an MLB pitcher. Made the Red Sox rotation last season before his injury.

[Absolut]

MLB Pipeline has Dobbins rated #14 in the Boston prospect rankings.

He’s not the centerpiece of the return

I didn't see him listed on Boston's prospects. When were these rankings?

This had fajardo at 10
https://www.soxprospects.com/players/fa ... hoiker.htm

[2ninr]

This is all they can get for Contreras? Lolol

What did you think they were going to get for him lol

Mo could have gotten more than this!

Mo would have kept him got nothing for him and the cardinals would have still missed the playoffs the next two years with him then he would have left with nothing to show in return

^^^^^^^.
Thanks Oz. This really is the truth.

That’s always the excuse for salary dumps. We could have competed in 2027 if Bill was willing to try.
As it is we are getting back long shots and non needle moving role players. Filler and the dreaded innings eaters.

I understand. I really do. People want to win. But this roster that was put together is incapable of it with the amount of money they would need to spend to make it competitive vs the amount of money they actually have to spend plus the big contracts they already had. They are rebuilding. Hopefully it is a short one.

[Bushiro]

MLB Pipeline has Dobbins rated #14 in the Boston prospect rankings.

He’s not the centerpiece of the return

I didn't see him listed on Boston's prospects. When were these rankings?

This had fajardo at 10
https://www.soxprospects.com/players/fa ... hoiker.htm

He's only given up 2 long balls in 120 total innings pitched?...did I read that right?

[82birds]

Found this on one of the prospects: https://talksox.com/news-rumors/red-sox ... lab-r2681/

thanks for the link rage dave

[Whatashame]

I mean we already didn’t have any RH bats and now we lose our best one? Lol

This is about moving Herrera to 1B.

Probably more Burleson to first

Maybe not. I think Herrera is going to be given every opportunity to show his work over the winter to improve his catching defense has legs. If it doesn’t work out, then Herrera to 1B makes a lot of sense. I have never seen Herrera as an outfield option and many don’t believe that he’s a catching option. He needs a place to play. 1B is a definite option.

He's not a 1b option. Keep Ivan in the OF. The less touches the better

I don’t think he’s an outfield option either but he needs a position to play. It sounds like they are going to give him another opportunity to catch. Many don’t think he can do that either but he needs a place to play. Maybe it’s 1B, maybe he fixes his defense at catcher over the winter. Maybe he catches
40ish games and DHs the rest. I happen to see 1B as an option.

[Absolut]

MLB Pipeline has Dobbins rated #14 in the Boston prospect rankings.

He’s not the centerpiece of the return

I didn't see him listed on Boston's prospects. When were these rankings?

This had fajardo at 10
https://www.soxprospects.com/players/fa ... hoiker.htm

He's only given up 2 long balls in 120 total innings pitched?...did I read that right?

Insane!

Another write up
https://fansided.com/mlb/mlb-trade-grad ... reras-deal

[cardinalsfever44]

MLB Pipeline has Dobbins rated #14 in the Boston prospect rankings.

He’s not the centerpiece of the return

I didn't see him listed on Boston's prospects. When were these rankings?

This had fajardo at 10
https://www.soxprospects.com/players/fa ... hoiker.htm

He's only given up 2 long balls in 120 total innings pitched?...did I read that right?

That is correct. 2 HR's in 122.2 IP. 2.93 ERA, 147 K's and 1.13 WHIP. He's also only 18.

[craviduce]

This is all they can get for Contreras? Lolol

What did you think they were going to get for him lol

Mo could have gotten more than this!

Mo would have kept him got nothing for him and the cardinals would have still missed the playoffs the next two years with him then he would have left with nothing to show in return

^^^^^^^.
Thanks Oz. This really is the truth.

That’s always the excuse for salary dumps. We could have competed in 2027 if Bill was willing to try.
As it is we are getting back long shots and non needle moving role players. Filler and the dreaded innings eaters.

I understand. I really do. People want to win. But this roster that was put together is incapable of it with the amount of money they would need to spend to make it competitive vs the amount of money they actually have to spend plus the big contracts they already had. They are rebuilding. Hopefully it is a short one.

I think the "GO Point" will be when the Rotation becomes strong. We're gathering assets by the bunches right now. And AAA is looking mighty juicy with pitching talent in 2026. Springfield, too, will have the Likes of Doyle and maybe Clarke.

Let's assume for the sake of this exercise we're keeping Libby and McGreevy as future cogs in the rotation....we would need 3 of the following to make it to the BIGs and succeed enough to cement a place in the rotation : Henderson, Mathews, Doyle, Mautz, Clarke, Franklin....3 of the 6. And still having the "next men up" in Memphis.

From there, you can starting trading your piled up assets in Springfield/Peoria for offensive MLB gems for your lineup. I love the potential Wetherholt, but he's not going to be able to do it on his own.

All eyes are on the Pitching prospects, imo....or that's where our eyes should be.

[Ozziesfan41]

This is all they can get for Contreras? Lolol

What did you think they were going to get for him lol

Mo could have gotten more than this!

Mo would have kept him got nothing for him and the cardinals would have still missed the playoffs the next two years with him then he would have left with nothing to show in return

^^^^^^^.
Thanks Oz. This really is the truth.

That’s always the excuse for salary dumps. We could have competed in 2027 if Bill was willing to try.
As it is we are getting back long shots and non needle moving role players. Filler and the dreaded innings eaters.

I understand. I really do. People want to win. But this roster that was put together is incapable of it with the amount of money they would need to spend to make it competitive vs the amount of money they actually have to spend plus the big contracts they already had. They are rebuilding. Hopefully it is a short one.

I think the "GO Point" will be when the Rotation becomes strong. We're gathering assets by the bunches right now. And AAA is looking mighty juicy with pitching talent in 2026. Springfield, too, will have the Likes of Doyle and maybe Clarke.

Let's assume for the sake of this exercise we're keeping Libby and McGreevy as future cogs in the rotation....we would need 3 of the following to make it to the BIGs and succeed enough to cement a place in the rotation : Henderson, Mathews, Doyle, Mautz, Clarke, Franklin....3 of the 6. And still having the "next men up" in Memphis.

From there, you can starting trading your piled up assets in Springfield/Peoria for offensive MLB gems for your lineup. I love the potential Wetherholt, but he's not going to be able to do it on his own.

All eyes are on the Pitching prospects, imo....or that's where our eyes should be.

+1 a lot of people can’t comprehend the strategy but the strategy is a good one.

[scoutyjones2]

I mean we already didn’t have any RH bats and now we lose our best one? Lol

This is about moving Herrera to 1B.

Probably more Burleson to first

Maybe not. I think Herrera is going to be given every opportunity to show his work over the winter to improve his catching defense has legs. If it doesn’t work out, then Herrera to 1B makes a lot of sense. I have never seen Herrera as an outfield option and many don’t believe that he’s a catching option. He needs a place to play. 1B is a definite option.

He's not a 1b option. Keep Ivan in the OF. The less touches the better

I don’t think he’s an outfield option either but he needs a position to play. It sounds like they are going to give him another opportunity to catch. Many don’t think he can do that either but he needs a place to play. Maybe it’s 1B, maybe he fixes his defense at catcher over the winter. Maybe he catches
40ish games and DHs the rest. I happen to see 1B as an option.

DH and LF. The less he handles the ball, the better.

[BleedingBleu]

So Bloom gets what? A (C) for this trade?

This is a nothing move

Considering Mo failed his one goal in the 2024/5 offseason; which was to trade Arenado. This is at least a C, because no one will be contributing to the Major League club for possibly 2 years