Oli did it. I must retract my statements

[ScotchMIrish]

Just saw on one of the podcasts that Oli adamantly confirmed that ALL of the stupid lineups and moves he’s ever made as Cards Manager…….
Have been HIS and that at no time has anyone from the front office given him direction for game lineups or moves.
I extend my sincerest apologies to MO, Girsch, and any of their minions for previous statements to the contrary.
Repeat OLI confirmed HE is the lone idiot.

Very funny. I noticed Bloom fired or reassigned someone whose title was "game planner".

[JuanAgosto]

Just saw on one of the podcasts that Oli adamantly confirmed that ALL of the stupid lineups and moves he’s ever made as Cards Manager…….
Have been HIS and that at no time has anyone from the front office given him direction for game lineups or moves.
I extend my sincerest apologies to MO, Girsch, and any of their minions for previous statements to the contrary.
Repeat OLI confirmed HE is the lone idiot.

Very funny. I noticed Bloom fired or reassigned someone whose title was "game planner".

Hopefully this means oli is able to think for himself this year. Enough with the 100% analytics [nonsense].

[Red7]

So they run all these analytics and put in no name managers, just to have the manager not go by the daily analytics they feed him? And Oli put his hind quarters on the line by frequently doing what he thought and not what the daily data dump told him, instead using their data and saying its your data during tough times?

Analytics advise, Oli decides.

Been telling people this for years, don't know why they continue to doubt. Both Mo, Girsch, Oli, God, they've all said repeatedly the manager has the final say in day-to-day lineups. If the GM doesn't like or agree with the lineup, he'll make personnel changes to the point the manager will have to make lineup changes. But as Oli was always a Mo puppy, they clearly were never that far apart in thinking.

And to comment on the Fedde remark... Oli basically had no choice but to keep putting him out there. It's not like they were swimming in extra starter arms. If he just lets Fedde ride the bench, he's not only burning a roster spot, he's causing dissent in the org from top to bottom.

"Scheduled day off" sounds exactly like something stupid enough that only Oli would make it. I may be mistaken but I don't recall TLR, Matheny, or Schildt ever using these anywhere near the frequency Oli does, and since Mo was in charge since 2007...

Not even Dave Roberts have the kind of authority/autonomy you describe. Neither does Kevin Cash. About the only ones who do are the departed Bruce Bochy and Terry Francona. Managers today are implenters of decisions, not decisions makers. Oli has A say, not THE say.

[mattmitchl44]

So they run all these analytics and put in no name managers, just to have the manager not go by the daily analytics they feed him? And Oli put his hind quarters on the line by frequently doing what he thought and not what the daily data dump told him, instead using their data and saying its your data during tough times?

Analytics advise, Oli decides.

Been telling people this for years, don't know why they continue to doubt. Both Mo, Girsch, Oli, God, they've all said repeatedly the manager has the final say in day-to-day lineups. If the GM doesn't like or agree with the lineup, he'll make personnel changes to the point the manager will have to make lineup changes. But as Oli was always a Mo puppy, they clearly were never that far apart in thinking.

And to comment on the Fedde remark... Oli basically had no choice but to keep putting him out there. It's not like they were swimming in extra starter arms. If he just lets Fedde ride the bench, he's not only burning a roster spot, he's causing dissent in the org from top to bottom.

"Scheduled day off" sounds exactly like something stupid enough that only Oli would make it. I may be mistaken but I don't recall TLR, Matheny, or Schildt ever using these anywhere near the frequency Oli does, and since Mo was in charge since 2007...

Let's be honest - there are some people who just like to rail against things that they think are "new" and that they mostly don't understand, and "analytics" has become that boogeyman for a lot of CT posters.

Analytics - data, information - is neither good nor bad. You simply have to understand how to use that data/information appropriately - what is it telling you?, what are its limitations?, etc. - when you are making decisions.

Managers who have access to state-of-the-art data/information, and who use it appropriately, are going to make better decisions over the long run. However, no matter what decision-making approach a manager uses, not all of their decisions will work out favorably. But it has become fashionable to assume that any decision made based on "analytics" that does not work out favorably would have worked out favorably if the manager had just ignored the "analytics" and gone with their "gut." Which is, of course, complete bunk.

No manager is going to be better over the long run in 2025 by just going on their "gut baseball instinct" and trying to ignore all of the available information entirely.

[AnExParrot]

Just saw on one of the podcasts that Oli adamantly confirmed that ALL of the stupid lineups and moves he’s ever made as Cards Manager…….
Have been HIS and that at no time has anyone from the front office given him direction for game lineups or moves.
I extend my sincerest apologies to MO, Girsch, and any of their minions for previous statements to the contrary.
Repeat OLI confirmed HE is the lone idiot.

Very good of you to admit your error . It is pretty well know in baseball that managers have the exclusive responsibility to set their own lineups.
I highly doubt though that on a podcast that Oli said he made any 'stupid lineups' .. maybe that statement should be retracted too. lol

Are you familiar with the movie “Moneyball”?

That's a pretty bad example to support your case - Howe made out the lineup he wanted until Billy traded the guy(s) Howe kept putting in the lineup. Also, a bad example since the A's were making players pay for sodas in the clubhouse as a way to cut costs so every penny available could go to on field talent - Mo never had to do that, as evidenced by the really dumb extensions and legacy contracts he gave out.

[ScotchMIrish]

Just saw on one of the podcasts that Oli adamantly confirmed that ALL of the stupid lineups and moves he’s ever made as Cards Manager…….
Have been HIS and that at no time has anyone from the front office given him direction for game lineups or moves.
I extend my sincerest apologies to MO, Girsch, and any of their minions for previous statements to the contrary.
Repeat OLI confirmed HE is the lone idiot.

Very funny. I noticed Bloom fired or reassigned someone whose title was "game planner".

Hopefully this means oli is able to think for himself this year. Enough with the 100% analytics [nonsense].

Perhaps but none of us have inside information. Wearing out starting pitchers to save the bullpen made no sense.

[rockondlouie]

The POBO/GM sets the roster, the Manager the lineup.

I fully believe Oli was responsible for the idiotic lineups we've seen since his hire.

[Cardinals4Life]

So they run all these analytics and put in no name managers, just to have the manager not go by the daily analytics they feed him? And Oli put his hind quarters on the line by frequently doing what he thought and not what the daily data dump told him, instead using their data and saying its your data during tough times?

Analytics advise, Oli decides.

Been telling people this for years, don't know why they continue to doubt. Both Mo, Girsch, Oli, God, they've all said repeatedly the manager has the final say in day-to-day lineups. If the GM doesn't like or agree with the lineup, he'll make personnel changes to the point the manager will have to make lineup changes. But as Oli was always a Mo puppy, they clearly were never that far apart in thinking.

And to comment on the Fedde remark... Oli basically had no choice but to keep putting him out there. It's not like they were swimming in extra starter arms. If he just lets Fedde ride the bench, he's not only burning a roster spot, he's causing dissent in the org from top to bottom.

"Scheduled day off" sounds exactly like something stupid enough that only Oli would make it. I may be mistaken but I don't recall TLR, Matheny, or Schildt ever using these anywhere near the frequency Oli does, and since Mo was in charge since 2007...

Let's be honest - there are some people who just like to rail against things that they think are "new" and that they mostly don't understand, and "analytics" has become that boogeyman for a lot of CT posters.

Analytics - data, information - is neither good nor bad. You simply have to understand how to use that data/information appropriately - what is it telling you?, what are its limitations?, etc. - when you are making decisions.

Managers who have access to state-of-the-art data/information, and who use it appropriately, are going to make better decisions over the long run. However, no matter what decision-making approach a manager uses, not all of their decisions will work out favorably. But it has become fashionable to assume that any decision made based on "analytics" that does not work out favorably would have worked out favorably if the manager had just ignored the "analytics" and gone with their "gut." Which is, of course, complete bunk.

No manager is going to be better over the long run in 2025 by just going on their "gut baseball instinct" and trying to ignore all of the available information entirely.

Analytics have always been in the game. They are just getting more and more complex. Managers always use data to make decisions. However when that data overrides everything and all decisions are made solely on data, that is a problem. Baseball is too complex of a game to be solely controlled by data. It can be useful and helpful, no doubt, but you still have to have baseball minds in the managers seat, who know when to use data and when to go with what the game on the field dictates, which is not always data driven. Using the correct data and data that is important is also important. Having a feel for the actual game beinf played in front of you is also very important. (i.e. players who are hot, players who are struggling, momentum in a game, a players mental state, etc.) Great managers know how to look at data, understand their team and the game of baseball, and put their players in spots to be successful.

Unfortunately, Marmol does not possess these qualities.