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Re: Kyrou Injury

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Could be ACL but bend direction would have compromised the MCL more than anything.
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MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
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Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
+1. Addition by subtraction? Very well could be.
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Re: Kyrou Injury

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SameOldBlues wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:09 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
+1. Addition by subtraction? Very well could be.
Schenn asked for a trade once, cause he never knew when and where Tarasenko was gonna show up.
Tarasenko was twice the player Kyrou ever was.
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Re: Kyrou Injury

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Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
Have they really been a better team? Because they barely squeaked by against two mediocre teams? Hofer completely bailed them out against OTT. Had nothing to do with "compete" or anything else you may say that Kyrou lacks. The MTL game was better than the OTT game for sure but nothing crazy and they still almost blew it.

The main point though is that you taking a victory lap on your anti-Kyrou agenda after one (or even two) full games is absurd. I don't love Kyrou by any means but you can't take a guy that puts up the goals and points he does, replace it with nothing, and think the team will be better long term.
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Re: Kyrou Injury

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MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:24 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
Have they really been the better team? Because they barely squeaked by against two mediocre teams? Hofer completely bailed them out against OTT. Had nothing to do with "compete" or anything else you may say that Kyrou lacks. The MTL game was better than the OTT game for sure but nothing crazy and they still almost blew it.

The main point though is that you taking a victory lap on your anti-Kyrou agenda after one (or two) full games is absurd. I don't love Kyrou by any means but you can't take a guy that puts up the goals and points he does, replace it with nothing, and think the team will be better long term.
I question your Hockey IQ on the bolded.
Were you poring over a legal brief when you watched those games?
They had their backs against the wall in both games and nobody backed down. Not an inch was ceded to anyone.
Hofer threw down and Binner came back from goalie hades.

Its a different bench and a different team.
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Re: Kyrou Injury

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Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:27 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:24 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
Have they really been the better team? Because they barely squeaked by against two mediocre teams? Hofer completely bailed them out against OTT. Had nothing to do with "compete" or anything else you may say that Kyrou lacks. The MTL game was better than the OTT game for sure but nothing crazy and they still almost blew it.

The main point though is that you taking a victory lap on your anti-Kyrou agenda after one (or two) full games is absurd. I don't love Kyrou by any means but you can't take a guy that puts up the goals and points he does, replace it with nothing, and think the team will be better long term.
I question your Hockey IQ on the bolded.
Were you poring over a legal brief when you watched those games?
They had their backs against the wall in both games and nobody backed down.

Its a different bench and a different team.
Lol they scored two goals and gave up 42 shots and somehow won. Anyone with "hockey IQ" would know that is 100% a goalie bail out.
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Re: Kyrou Injury

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MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:29 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:27 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:24 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
Have they really been the better team? Because they barely squeaked by against two mediocre teams? Hofer completely bailed them out against OTT. Had nothing to do with "compete" or anything else you may say that Kyrou lacks. The MTL game was better than the OTT game for sure but nothing crazy and they still almost blew it.

The main point though is that you taking a victory lap on your anti-Kyrou agenda after one (or two) full games is absurd. I don't love Kyrou by any means but you can't take a guy that puts up the goals and points he does, replace it with nothing, and think the team will be better long term.
I question your Hockey IQ on the bolded.
Were you poring over a legal brief when you watched those games?
They had their backs against the wall in both games and nobody backed down.

Its a different bench and a different team.
Lol they scored two goals and gave up 42 shots and somehow won. Anyone with "hockey IQ" would know that is 100% a goalie bail out.
People with Hockey IQ s that pay off don’t speak of stats. They speak of attitudes, swagger, and confidence.
I don’t think you get close enough to smell those things.

if you did, you would acknowledge that this team is better.
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Re: Kyrou Injury

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Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:29 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:27 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:24 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
Have they really been the better team? Because they barely squeaked by against two mediocre teams? Hofer completely bailed them out against OTT. Had nothing to do with "compete" or anything else you may say that Kyrou lacks. The MTL game was better than the OTT game for sure but nothing crazy and they still almost blew it.

The main point though is that you taking a victory lap on your anti-Kyrou agenda after one (or two) full games is absurd. I don't love Kyrou by any means but you can't take a guy that puts up the goals and points he does, replace it with nothing, and think the team will be better long term.
I question your Hockey IQ on the bolded.
Were you poring over a legal brief when you watched those games?
They had their backs against the wall in both games and nobody backed down.

Its a different bench and a different team.
Lol they scored two goals and gave up 42 shots and somehow won. Anyone with "hockey IQ" would know that is 100% a goalie bail out.
People with Hockey IQ s that pay off don’t speak of stats. They speak of attitudes, swagger, and confidence.
I don’t think you get close enough to smell those things.
Yea scoring two goals and giving up 42 shots against a bad team is a boatload of swagger. Your confirmation bias on Kyrou is as ridiculous as your declaration that Buchnevich has the highest hockey IQ on the team.
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Re: Kyrou Injury

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Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
I'm not at all convinced they really played any better at all in those 2 games. One of them they gave up 42 shots.

I personally think Hofer won us both of those games, 1 with his play and the other with the momentum he created.
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Hey guys. Stop criticizing Jordan. It's mean.
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Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:29 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:27 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:24 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
Have they really been the better team? Because they barely squeaked by against two mediocre teams? Hofer completely bailed them out against OTT. Had nothing to do with "compete" or anything else you may say that Kyrou lacks. The MTL game was better than the OTT game for sure but nothing crazy and they still almost blew it.

The main point though is that you taking a victory lap on your anti-Kyrou agenda after one (or two) full games is absurd. I don't love Kyrou by any means but you can't take a guy that puts up the goals and points he does, replace it with nothing, and think the team will be better long term.
I question your Hockey IQ on the bolded.
Were you poring over a legal brief when you watched those games?
They had their backs against the wall in both games and nobody backed down.

Its a different bench and a different team.
Lol they scored two goals and gave up 42 shots and somehow won. Anyone with "hockey IQ" would know that is 100% a goalie bail out.
People with Hockey IQ s that pay off don’t speak of stats. They speak of attitudes, swagger, and confidence.
I don’t think you get close enough to smell those things.

if you did, you would acknowledge that this team is better.
Our lives are also full of people with attitude, swagger, and confidence and they are still full of [shirt].

Also people with a room temperature IQ would also be able to discern if the puck is not deposited in the net (generating stats) that you won't win a lot of hockey games with those platitudes.
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MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:38 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:29 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:27 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:24 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
Have they really been the better team? Because they barely squeaked by against two mediocre teams? Hofer completely bailed them out against OTT. Had nothing to do with "compete" or anything else you may say that Kyrou lacks. The MTL game was better than the OTT game for sure but nothing crazy and they still almost blew it.

The main point though is that you taking a victory lap on your anti-Kyrou agenda after one (or two) full games is absurd. I don't love Kyrou by any means but you can't take a guy that puts up the goals and points he does, replace it with nothing, and think the team will be better long term.
I question your Hockey IQ on the bolded.
Were you poring over a legal brief when you watched those games?
They had their backs against the wall in both games and nobody backed down.

Its a different bench and a different team.
Lol they scored two goals and gave up 42 shots and somehow won. Anyone with "hockey IQ" would know that is 100% a goalie bail out.
People with Hockey IQ s that pay off don’t speak of stats. They speak of attitudes, swagger, and confidence.
I don’t think you get close enough to smell those things.
Yea scoring two goals and giving up 42 shots against a bad team is a boatload of swagger. Your confirmation bias on Kyrou is as ridiculous as your declaration that Buchnevich has the highest hockey IQ on the team.
Your case is bogus.
I never EVER said Buch had a huge IQ. It’s always about his unwavering commitment to do the dirty work- the grunt details that garner him the most playoff assists since he’s been on this club…

Your idea of swagger seems to be derived from numbers and a detached viewpoint, rather than the way fought like hell to win those games- even though their numbers were bad.
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Kilokaai wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:51 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:29 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:27 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:24 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
Have they really been the better team? Because they barely squeaked by against two mediocre teams? Hofer completely bailed them out against OTT. Had nothing to do with "compete" or anything else you may say that Kyrou lacks. The MTL game was better than the OTT game for sure but nothing crazy and they still almost blew it.

The main point though is that you taking a victory lap on your anti-Kyrou agenda after one (or two) full games is absurd. I don't love Kyrou by any means but you can't take a guy that puts up the goals and points he does, replace it with nothing, and think the team will be better long term.
I question your Hockey IQ on the bolded.
Were you poring over a legal brief when you watched those games?
They had their backs against the wall in both games and nobody backed down.

Its a different bench and a different team.
Lol they scored two goals and gave up 42 shots and somehow won. Anyone with "hockey IQ" would know that is 100% a goalie bail out.
People with Hockey IQ s that pay off don’t speak of stats. They speak of attitudes, swagger, and confidence.
I don’t think you get close enough to smell those things.

if you did, you would acknowledge that this team is better.
Our lives are also full of people with attitude, swagger, and confidence and they are still full of [shirt].

Also people with a room temperature IQ would also be able to discern if the puck is not deposited in the net (generating stats) that you won't win a lot of hockey games with those platitudes.
Winning both those games in spite of their play to this point, and losing so many starters is proof of attitude, confidence nd swagger.

in the broad sense of Hockey IQ. i have seen many teams lose games with a great deal of attitude confidence and swagger.
Nobody wins em all.

The Blues of early in the season would have rolled over and given those games away, wouldn’t they?
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Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:52 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:38 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:29 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:27 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:24 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
Have they really been the better team? Because they barely squeaked by against two mediocre teams? Hofer completely bailed them out against OTT. Had nothing to do with "compete" or anything else you may say that Kyrou lacks. The MTL game was better than the OTT game for sure but nothing crazy and they still almost blew it.

The main point though is that you taking a victory lap on your anti-Kyrou agenda after one (or two) full games is absurd. I don't love Kyrou by any means but you can't take a guy that puts up the goals and points he does, replace it with nothing, and think the team will be better long term.
I question your Hockey IQ on the bolded.
Were you poring over a legal brief when you watched those games?
They had their backs against the wall in both games and nobody backed down.

Its a different bench and a different team.
Lol they scored two goals and gave up 42 shots and somehow won. Anyone with "hockey IQ" would know that is 100% a goalie bail out.
People with Hockey IQ s that pay off don’t speak of stats. They speak of attitudes, swagger, and confidence.
I don’t think you get close enough to smell those things.
Yea scoring two goals and giving up 42 shots against a bad team is a boatload of swagger. Your confirmation bias on Kyrou is as ridiculous as your declaration that Buchnevich has the highest hockey IQ on the team.
Your case is bogus.
I never EVER said Buch had a huge IQ. It’s always about his unwavering commitment to do the dirty work- the grunt details that garner him the most playoff assists since he’s been on this club…

Your idea of swagger seems to be derived from numbers and a detached viewpoint, rather than the way fought like hell to win those games- even though their numbers were bad.
You absolutely argued that, since Buch had the most assists in the playoffs over the last few years, he thereby had the highest hockey IQ on the team. Now that I think of it, that is pretty ironic considering what you are now saying in this thread about stats...

And my view is not just from stats. I also watched the games. Anyone who says the Blues showed any more swagger in that Ottawa game than they otherwise have all season is, frankly, delusional.
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MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 14:17 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:52 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:38 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:31 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:29 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:27 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:24 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 13:08 pm
MiamiLaw wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:35 pm
Harry York 37 wrote: 08 Dec 2025 12:29 pm The team isn’t missing Kyrou, as far as I can see.

Color me unsurprised.
It's been one full game dude.
It’s two games, realistically… and they have even a better team.
From the Captain
"Guys just buying in for one another," Schen said. "At the end of the day there are no complaints and guys are going out there and playing hard for one another. When you do that you start to build something and you can feel it. I think we have had a good response since Boston."

Kyrou played less than one full shift after the Boton Game
Have they really been the better team? Because they barely squeaked by against two mediocre teams? Hofer completely bailed them out against OTT. Had nothing to do with "compete" or anything else you may say that Kyrou lacks. The MTL game was better than the OTT game for sure but nothing crazy and they still almost blew it.

The main point though is that you taking a victory lap on your anti-Kyrou agenda after one (or two) full games is absurd. I don't love Kyrou by any means but you can't take a guy that puts up the goals and points he does, replace it with nothing, and think the team will be better long term.
I question your Hockey IQ on the bolded.
Were you poring over a legal brief when you watched those games?
They had their backs against the wall in both games and nobody backed down.

Its a different bench and a different team.
Lol they scored two goals and gave up 42 shots and somehow won. Anyone with "hockey IQ" would know that is 100% a goalie bail out.
People with Hockey IQ s that pay off don’t speak of stats. They speak of attitudes, swagger, and confidence.
I don’t think you get close enough to smell those things.
Yea scoring two goals and giving up 42 shots against a bad team is a boatload of swagger. Your confirmation bias on Kyrou is as ridiculous as your declaration that Buchnevich has the highest hockey IQ on the team.
Your case is bogus.
I never EVER said Buch had a huge IQ. It’s always about his unwavering commitment to do the dirty work- the grunt details that garner him the most playoff assists since he’s been on this club…

Your idea of swagger seems to be derived from numbers and a detached viewpoint, rather than the way fought like hell to win those games- even though their numbers were bad.
You absolutely argued that, since Buch had the most assists in the playoffs over the last few years, he thereby had the highest hockey IQ on the team. Now that I think of it, that is pretty ironic considering what you are now saying in this thread about stats...

And my view is not just from stats. I also watched the games. Anyone who says the Blues showed any more swagger in that Ottawa game than they otherwise have all season is, frankly, delusional.
Putting words in my mouth is desperate and despicable. I would expect that from a Miami Shyster and that really pisses me off. Moving the goal posts and lying are bad moves in most courtrooms.

I love Buch and make no excuses.
I have never said he had a high hockey IQ.
I am fairly stingy with that accolade.

Stick to the [fork]ing point… if ya can!
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