Harry S Deals wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 10:56 am
At this point for me trade Binnington, Parayko and Schenn now, turn it over to faster slightly more skilled younger guys who will compete for pucks.
Schenn has 4 goals in 27 games and hes a -16. I fully believe if given 16+ TOI per night Kaskimaki could score 4 times and not be a -16. Kaskimaki can skate well and will check and hound pucks, not drift around slowly bobble pucks and not be able to literally pass or shoot.
Trade Binnie now and promote Zherenko, Hofer is the starter. Yes the Blues have made glaring turnovers, but believe it or not sometimes a goalie has to STILL make the save. Goals being tipped from 30' away is not an excuse then when i saw Bummingtons tantrum that was it for me. .878 save pct is not ALL about the team defense
Trade Parayko, something is off with him hes either injured or past him prime who knows but hes not the same players hes been for the last few years. You want to talk about Buch being a bad contract what about Parayko? $6.5 NTC till '28-'29. Bad looking deal right now
Buch Thomas Kyrou
Neigbours Dvorsky Snuggerud
Holloway Bjudstad Joseph
Kaskimaki Suter Sunny
Broberg Faulk
Fowler Kessel
Tucker Mailloux
Hofer
Zhernko
Is this really any worse
Id be 110% in favor of this. If Army would set the team up to get a Top 5 pick, and sell off assets instead of hanging on too long to vets that have peaked, or are on the downside, then they could very well get that coveted game breaker and could surround it with alot of nice pieces, and could potentially rebound soon with a very exciting up and coming team.
Or we can continue down this path to boredom and no hope hockey.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 10:56 am
At this point for me trade Binnington, Parayko and Schenn now, turn it over to faster slightly more skilled younger guys who will compete for pucks.
Schenn has 4 goals in 27 games and hes a -16. I fully believe if given 16+ TOI per night Kaskimaki could score 4 times and not be a -16. Kaskimaki can skate well and will check and hound pucks, not drift around slowly bobble pucks and not be able to literally pass or shoot.
Trade Binnie now and promote Zherenko, Hofer is the starter. Yes the Blues have made glaring turnovers, but believe it or not sometimes a goalie has to STILL make the save. Goals being tipped from 30' away is not an excuse then when i saw Bummingtons tantrum that was it for me. .878 save pct is not ALL about the team defense
Trade Parayko, something is off with him hes either injured or past him prime who knows but hes not the same players hes been for the last few years. You want to talk about Buch being a bad contract what about Parayko? $6.5 NTC till '28-'29. Bad looking deal right now
Buch Thomas Kyrou
Neigbours Dvorsky Snuggerud
Holloway Bjudstad Joseph
Kaskimaki Suter Sunny
Broberg Faulk
Fowler Kessel
Tucker Mailloux
Hofer
Zhernko
Is this really any worse
The forum will tell you here that you can’t trade Parayko , so we can never move on from him. They have him penciled in the lineup until 2040
It’s comical the overvalue this place has for him for years. Can’t we at least give someone else his minutes. To me Broberg needs to be given the minutes and multiple situations to see if we want to pay him.
Well right now Broberg and Parayko are D partners and neither gets PP minutes, so their minutes should be nearly identical.
But again, sure, trade him or whatever, but I don't see how that is anything but waving the white flag on this season at least. "Overvaluing" someone is different than realizing what a player means to THIS team right now. He's still overall your best D-man and a team leader; 1-2 weeks of good hockey from Broberg doesn't change that yet.
He’s got no goals only 7 points coughs the puck up and is nothing like the guy we’ve seen in the past. How is that giving up on the season?
To me the much more intriguing question or issue is WHY?
Aside from the forward power outage Fowler, Parayko, and Broberg have THREE goals total in 27 games played by each. The Blues are playing a top-9 center who has ZERO even strength goals in 17 games, and his ice time is on the rise. WHY?
Complicated and probably multi-faceted:
1. Monty talked at the beginning of the year about shifting defensive strategy to more of a zone. I don't know if he's still trying to make that adjustment but we saw that repeatedly with Van Ryn with the same results. Ultimately the coaches reverted to man defense and Van Ryn was canned.
2. The third pairing is such a liability that it has impacted pairings, matchups, zone starts, etc. All of that saddles the top four with less desirable opportunities and in some cases having to babysit a [shirt]ty pairing partner.
3. We can't get the puck out of the defensive zone. Our scoring forward group, namely Schenn, Buchnevich, Thomas, Kryou and even Holloway are massively struggling at our defensive blue-line which is causing the defense to get pinned in. This is especially problematic because its our offensive lines that should be generating ozone pressure allowing guys like Fowler, Parayko and Broberg to attack vs. defend.
4. We've lost some pretty stable puck moving defensemen in Suter and Leddy. Same issue as above.
5. The forecheck and offensive zone time is horrendous. The lack of down low board battles behind the offensive net means our defense has no opportunity to setup on the blue line. Its all one and gun transition hockey.
The aging contracts on this team were massively fumbled. Montgomery is trying to milk dead oranges to jump start some of the failing vets, but the truth is they need to start reducing their TOI and roles.
This last part we absolutely agree on: it’s Army’s responsibility. I see it as forcing skill guys to play a dump n chase game they’ve never played in their lives. The roles aren’t defined correctly by the staff. This has been an issue through multiple coaches over the years under Army’s watch.
Younghopp1991 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 16:09 pm
Seattle had said before about about the pieces you could essentially get for thomas if you could trade him. I wonder what the reset looks like without thomas, parayko, schenn and faulk. With the young guys we currently have + the pieces in return + our our own picks with a couple real low years.
I may be wrong but i think fans will still show up to watch the turnover. You can still be a fun product with a losing record. So i dont agree with the idea that the owners would have to sell.
I do understand that maybe today isnt the day, but at some point there is going to be a bunch of people upset we didnt sell high on parayko because we may have a false sense of where our talent level is/will be.
Maybe. Although in 05/06 the Blues averaged 14,213 in attendance. In 06/07 they averaged 12,520. That was quite awhile ago and under different owners, but does seem to indicate there would be a drop in support.
Younghopp1991 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 16:09 pm
Seattle had said before about about the pieces you could essentially get for thomas if you could trade him. I wonder what the reset looks like without thomas, parayko, schenn and faulk. With the young guys we currently have + the pieces in return + our our own picks with a couple real low years.
I may be wrong but i think fans will still show up to watch the turnover. You can still be a fun product with a losing record. So i dont agree with the idea that the owners would have to sell.
I do understand that maybe today isnt the day, but at some point there is going to be a bunch of people upset we didnt sell high on parayko because we may have a false sense of where our talent level is/will be.
Maybe. Although in 05/06 the Blues averaged 14,213 in attendance. In 06/07 they averaged 12,520. That was quite awhile ago and under different owners, but does seem to indicate there would be a drop in support.
I 100% brlieve there would be a drop in support. We already have a good amount of pieces. We have a wave that is about to come through. Nothing elite, but we arent bare. Without thomas and parayko this team would set themselves up pretty well to draft high. Possibly in the spots that you get the superstar players.
Younghopp1991 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 16:09 pm
Seattle had said before about about the pieces you could essentially get for thomas if you could trade him. I wonder what the reset looks like without thomas, parayko, schenn and faulk. With the young guys we currently have + the pieces in return + our our own picks with a couple real low years.
I may be wrong but i think fans will still show up to watch the turnover. You can still be a fun product with a losing record. So i dont agree with the idea that the owners would have to sell.
I do understand that maybe today isnt the day, but at some point there is going to be a bunch of people upset we didnt sell high on parayko because we may have a false sense of where our talent level is/will be.
Maybe. Although in 05/06 the Blues averaged 14,213 in attendance. In 06/07 they averaged 12,520. That was quite awhile ago and under different owners, but does seem to indicate there would be a drop in support.
I 100% brlieve there would be a drop in support. We already have a good amount of pieces. We have a wave that is about to come through. Nothing elite, but we arent bare. Without thomas and parayko this team would set themselves up pretty well to draft high. Possibly in the spots that you get the superstar players.
Every team has young guys on the farm though. The Blues are ranked 10-15 in most rankings I’ve seen. Not bad of course but certainly not stellar.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 10:56 am
At this point for me trade Binnington, Parayko and Schenn now, turn it over to faster slightly more skilled younger guys who will compete for pucks.
Schenn has 4 goals in 27 games and hes a -16. I fully believe if given 16+ TOI per night Kaskimaki could score 4 times and not be a -16. Kaskimaki can skate well and will check and hound pucks, not drift around slowly bobble pucks and not be able to literally pass or shoot.
Trade Binnie now and promote Zherenko, Hofer is the starter. Yes the Blues have made glaring turnovers, but believe it or not sometimes a goalie has to STILL make the save. Goals being tipped from 30' away is not an excuse then when i saw Bummingtons tantrum that was it for me. .878 save pct is not ALL about the team defense
Trade Parayko, something is off with him hes either injured or past him prime who knows but hes not the same players hes been for the last few years. You want to talk about Buch being a bad contract what about Parayko? $6.5 NTC till '28-'29. Bad looking deal right now
Buch Thomas Kyrou
Neigbours Dvorsky Snuggerud
Holloway Bjudstad Joseph
Kaskimaki Suter Sunny
Broberg Faulk
Fowler Kessel
Tucker Mailloux
Hofer
Zhernko
Is this really any worse
Welcome to reality.
Aside from 1 hot streak it’s been rough times for 3+ seasons.
There’s a lot of work that needs to be done and the Blues are unnecessarily behind schedule with assets that have since lost value or become nearly unmovable.
Report reveals massive failed trade involving Jordan Kyrou that Kent Hughes might want back
"According to my information, the trade that brought forward Zachary Bolduc to Montreal in exchange for Logan Mailloux was originally much larger and also involved Kyrou. However, the two teams were unable to agree on the price for the forward and ultimately decided to stick with Bolduc and Mailloux.
Still according to my information, the price to acquire Kyrou would have been defenseman Kaiden Guhle, which GM Kent Hughes refused."
crookedfeeder wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 18:49 pm
Report reveals massive failed trade involving Jordan Kyrou that Kent Hughes might want back
"According to my information, the trade that brought forward Zachary Bolduc to Montreal in exchange for Logan Mailloux was originally much larger and also involved Kyrou. However, the two teams were unable to agree on the price for the forward and ultimately decided to stick with Bolduc and Mailloux.
Still according to my information, the price to acquire Kyrou would have been defenseman Kaiden Guhle, which GM Kent Hughes refused."
crookedfeeder wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 18:49 pm
Report reveals massive failed trade involving Jordan Kyrou that Kent Hughes might want back
"According to my information, the trade that brought forward Zachary Bolduc to Montreal in exchange for Logan Mailloux was originally much larger and also involved Kyrou. However, the two teams were unable to agree on the price for the forward and ultimately decided to stick with Bolduc and Mailloux.
Still according to my information, the price to acquire Kyrou would have been defenseman Kaiden Guhle, which GM Kent Hughes refused."
Younghopp1991 wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 16:09 pm
Seattle had said before about about the pieces you could essentially get for thomas if you could trade him. I wonder what the reset looks like without thomas, parayko, schenn and faulk. With the young guys we currently have + the pieces in return + our our own picks with a couple real low years.
I may be wrong but i think fans will still show up to watch the turnover. You can still be a fun product with a losing record. So i dont agree with the idea that the owners would have to sell.
I do understand that maybe today isnt the day, but at some point there is going to be a bunch of people upset we didnt sell high on parayko because we may have a false sense of where our talent level is/will be.
Maybe. Although in 05/06 the Blues averaged 14,213 in attendance. In 06/07 they averaged 12,520. That was quite awhile ago and under different owners, but does seem to indicate there would be a drop in support.
I 100% brlieve there would be a drop in support. We already have a good amount of pieces. We have a wave that is about to come through. Nothing elite, but we arent bare. Without thomas and parayko this team would set themselves up pretty well to draft high. Possibly in the spots that you get the superstar players.
Every team has young guys on the farm though. The Blues are ranked 10-15 in most rankings I’ve seen. Not bad of course but certainly not stellar.
The pieces we currently have is the base, you would have a haul of draft picks and prospects in the returns for thomas and parayko alone. Then you can trade schenn for best package which is probably a 2nd and a prospect. I have no idea what you get for faulk but he brings next highest return if he keeps putting up offensive numbers someone will buy. If you go this route then you maximize returns on faulk and possibly schenn and retain 2mil each. We probably finish 1-3 this year which is maybe mckenna, stenberg, belchetz. The following season you finish bottom 3 and a lot of your 2023 draft gets their licks. There are some players in the 27 draft.
crookedfeeder wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 18:49 pm
Report reveals massive failed trade involving Jordan Kyrou that Kent Hughes might want back
"According to my information, the trade that brought forward Zachary Bolduc to Montreal in exchange for Logan Mailloux was originally much larger and also involved Kyrou. However, the two teams were unable to agree on the price for the forward and ultimately decided to stick with Bolduc and Mailloux.
Still according to my information, the price to acquire Kyrou would have been defenseman Kaiden Guhle, which GM Kent Hughes refused."
crookedfeeder wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 18:49 pm
Report reveals massive failed trade involving Jordan Kyrou that Kent Hughes might want back
"According to my information, the trade that brought forward Zachary Bolduc to Montreal in exchange for Logan Mailloux was originally much larger and also involved Kyrou. However, the two teams were unable to agree on the price for the forward and ultimately decided to stick with Bolduc and Mailloux.
Still according to my information, the price to acquire Kyrou would have been defenseman Kaiden Guhle, which GM Kent Hughes refused."
I am for being bad and getting high draft picks, but trades have to be for the right pieces that benefit us. No helping other teams and no trades with questionable quality coming back. Yes make trades, but only make the right ones, no Binnington gor Skinner type trades. If the value isn’t there make no move, its as simple as that.
Harry S Deals wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 10:56 am
At this point for me trade Binnington, Parayko and Schenn now, turn it over to faster slightly more skilled younger guys who will compete for pucks.
Schenn has 4 goals in 27 games and hes a -16. I fully believe if given 16+ TOI per night Kaskimaki could score 4 times and not be a -16. Kaskimaki can skate well and will check and hound pucks, not drift around slowly bobble pucks and not be able to literally pass or shoot.
Trade Binnie now and promote Zherenko, Hofer is the starter. Yes the Blues have made glaring turnovers, but believe it or not sometimes a goalie has to STILL make the save. Goals being tipped from 30' away is not an excuse then when i saw Bummingtons tantrum that was it for me. .878 save pct is not ALL about the team defense
Trade Parayko, something is off with him hes either injured or past him prime who knows but hes not the same players hes been for the last few years. You want to talk about Buch being a bad contract what about Parayko? $6.5 NTC till '28-'29. Bad looking deal right now
Buch Thomas Kyrou
Neigbours Dvorsky Snuggerud
Holloway Bjudstad Joseph
Kaskimaki Suter Sunny
Broberg Faulk
Fowler Kessel
Tucker Mailloux
Hofer
Zhernko
Is this really any worse
The forum will tell you here that you can’t trade Parayko , so we can never move on from him. They have him penciled in the lineup until 2040
It’s comical the overvalue this place has for him for years. Can’t we at least give someone else his minutes. To me Broberg needs to be given the minutes and multiple situations to see if we want to pay him.
Well right now Broberg and Parayko are D partners and neither gets PP minutes, so their minutes should be nearly identical.
But again, sure, trade him or whatever, but I don't see how that is anything but waving the white flag on this season at least. "Overvaluing" someone is different than realizing what a player means to THIS team right now. He's still overall your best D-man and a team leader; 1-2 weeks of good hockey from Broberg doesn't change that yet.
Exactly. Its not that you can't trade Parayko. The question is "then what?" What is your plan after that? Three part question:
1) This organization literally cannot fill third pairing minutes effectively. So we're going to dump the most veteran, the most reliable minute eating defenseman on the team? Who fills those minutes? What a disaster.
2) The last time we figured a cornerstone defenseman was replaceable, we spent the next 5+ years desperately flailing at replacing him - both through internal draft and develop and through trade - only to find ourselves in this current defensive and financial mess. So, sure trade Parayko, let's kick off the rebuild. How long does it take to re-establish a viable top 4? 3-5 years? Longer?
3) Now that we're firmly in the rebuild conversation, how long do you think this ownership group can survive on rebuild income?
It's normal to want change. I want it too, but there's rational and there's irrational and this organization walks a fine line of sustainability. Trim the fat but beware cutting too close to bone.
No really, you can’t trade him because of his contract, but you can cut his minutes and find out if other guys can fill the situations better. He’s 32. He’s also not a #1 as some of us have been saying for years.
His contract is a bargain. If you are going to trade him you would get more in the offseason when teams have cap space. And if you cut his minutes you are giving the mins to a guy older than him. Broberg is LH and getting more mins the last 5 weeks than any other Blues D. Parayko is RH and has very little to do with Brobergs minutes or lack thereof.
crookedfeeder wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 18:49 pm
Report reveals massive failed trade involving Jordan Kyrou that Kent Hughes might want back
"According to my information, the trade that brought forward Zachary Bolduc to Montreal in exchange for Logan Mailloux was originally much larger and also involved Kyrou. However, the two teams were unable to agree on the price for the forward and ultimately decided to stick with Bolduc and Mailloux.
Still according to my information, the price to acquire Kyrou would have been defenseman Kaiden Guhle, which GM Kent Hughes refused."
crookedfeeder wrote: ↑02 Dec 2025 18:49 pm
Report reveals massive failed trade involving Jordan Kyrou that Kent Hughes might want back
"According to my information, the trade that brought forward Zachary Bolduc to Montreal in exchange for Logan Mailloux was originally much larger and also involved Kyrou. However, the two teams were unable to agree on the price for the forward and ultimately decided to stick with Bolduc and Mailloux.
Still according to my information, the price to acquire Kyrou would have been defenseman Kaiden Guhle, which GM Kent Hughes refused."
Yeah, solid info from a fan podcast repeated in a fan blog not affiliated with the Habs.
Very solid proof of trade negotiations.
yeah. so hard to believe. I heard Kyrou rejected the trade to Montreal; way too much pressure.
Aesa's exactly right. So much "posting" presented as facts.
As for Kyrou, his NTC kicked in July 1; before then, he would have had no say.
Mailloux addition July 1st.
And Kyrou's NTC kicked in at 00:00:01 on July 1st. Apparently, the Blues and the Habs could not agree on terms before midnight on May 31st even if Kyrou was actually being shopped otherwise he would have been traded. Kyrou would not have been able to kill the deal before that time.
