Montgomery already justifying the dollars

[theograce]

So all this trolling is because you think he might hypothetically get offered 8 when you feel it should be closer to 7? That's it?

It’s about assessment, term, and principle. Yes millions. It’s not your money so it doesn’t matter?

[The Average Gatsby]

That he’s not the type of player you build around. So what’s a reasonable contract for him in your estimation?

What I said was he hasn’t proven to be a player you build around. A true stud who plays in all situations. A leader in and off the ice. No he has yet to prove that. That’s fact.

The Blues said the same things about Thomas and Kyrou. Armstrong publicly stated that teams would tank for both players. Do you think that’s true? It’s hilarious actually.

When negotiating with Pietrangelo (who scored a cup goal, captained the team, and did things you will never see again in your lifetime), they never said anything close to that. It’s politics and agenda driven.

For Broberg I’d start in low 7’s with not a lot of term. There is risk in that, but there’s risk the other way too.

He’d probably be worth up to 9 million but I think he signs for less than that. I can’t imagine he’ll get equal to or more than the 8.85 that Hutson got. He’s young enough that he shouldn’t decline during the life of the contract so I’d prefer to give him term. The contract will most likely get better as the cap goes up. The main thing for me would be to avoid any movement protection. That handcuffs teams more than anything else.

[theograce]

That he’s not the type of player you build around. So what’s a reasonable contract for him in your estimation?

What I said was he hasn’t proven to be a player you build around. A true stud who plays in all situations. A leader in and off the ice. No he has yet to prove that. That’s fact.

The Blues said the same things about Thomas and Kyrou. Armstrong publicly stated that teams would tank for both players. Do you think that’s true? It’s hilarious actually.

When negotiating with Pietrangelo (who scored a cup goal, captained the team, and did things you will never see again in your lifetime), they never said anything close to that. It’s politics and agenda driven.

For Broberg I’d start in low 7’s with not a lot of term. There is risk in that, but there’s risk the other way too.

He’d probably be worth up to 9 million

Based on what? More than Hutson? Why?

[Bacchk29]

That he’s not the type of player you build around. So what’s a reasonable contract for him in your estimation?

What I said was he hasn’t proven to be a player you build around. A true stud who plays in all situations. A leader in and off the ice. No he has yet to prove that. That’s fact.

The Blues said the same things about Thomas and Kyrou. Armstrong publicly stated that teams would tank for both players. Do you think that’s true? It’s hilarious actually.

When negotiating with Pietrangelo (who scored a cup goal, captained the team, and did things you will never see again in your lifetime), they never said anything close to that. It’s politics and agenda driven.

For Broberg I’d start in low 7’s with not a lot of term. There is risk in that, but there’s risk the other way too.

He’d probably be worth up to 9 million

Based on what? More than Hutson? Why?

Exactly. Unless he hits the gas offensively and starts playing in multiple situations, he gets another bridge deal probably 2/14 mil

[theograce]

That he’s not the type of player you build around. So what’s a reasonable contract for him in your estimation?

What I said was he hasn’t proven to be a player you build around. A true stud who plays in all situations. A leader in and off the ice. No he has yet to prove that. That’s fact.

The Blues said the same things about Thomas and Kyrou. Armstrong publicly stated that teams would tank for both players. Do you think that’s true? It’s hilarious actually.

When negotiating with Pietrangelo (who scored a cup goal, captained the team, and did things you will never see again in your lifetime), they never said anything close to that. It’s politics and agenda driven.

For Broberg I’d start in low 7’s with not a lot of term. There is risk in that, but there’s risk the other way too.

He’d probably be worth up to 9 million

Based on what? More than Hutson? Why?

Exactly. Unless he hits the gas offensively and starts playing in multiple situations, he gets another bridge deal probably 2/14 mil

He’s not playing on the pp or when the game is on the line when the Blues are behind. What core player doesn’t do that?

Yet Montgomery says he can take over games.

Just shut up…it’s hilarious

[theograce]

“He could also be on one of team’s two power-play units, but they prefer to save him for five-on-five and pk”

They are saving him guys … for the next game. That’s why he doesn’t play in crucial 6 on 5’s either. I mean all the teams are doing this with their best players.

Not even sure what their philosophy is at this point

[Bacchk29]

“He could also be on one of team’s two power-play units, but they prefer to save him for five-on-five and pk”

They are saving him guys … for the next game. That’s why he doesn’t play in crucial 6 on 5’s either. I mean all the teams are doing this with their best players.

Not even sure what their philosophy is at this point

He could take some of Paraykos minutes. We could find out if he’s the alpha male. Blasphemy on here to some I know.

[The Average Gatsby]

That he’s not the type of player you build around. So what’s a reasonable contract for him in your estimation?

What I said was he hasn’t proven to be a player you build around. A true stud who plays in all situations. A leader in and off the ice. No he has yet to prove that. That’s fact.

The Blues said the same things about Thomas and Kyrou. Armstrong publicly stated that teams would tank for both players. Do you think that’s true? It’s hilarious actually.

When negotiating with Pietrangelo (who scored a cup goal, captained the team, and did things you will never see again in your lifetime), they never said anything close to that. It’s politics and agenda driven.

For Broberg I’d start in low 7’s with not a lot of term. There is risk in that, but there’s risk the other way too.

He’d probably be worth up to 9 million

Based on what? More than Hutson? Why?

I think the market for a first pairing but not superstar defenseman is around 9 million bucks with the current cap. Hutson is better than Broberg but since he got slightly underpaid Broberg will also. At least that’s my guess.

You just aren’t being realistic about what contracts are going to be now that the cap is going up again. 8.5 million is the new 6.5 million.

[theograce]

That he’s not the type of player you build around. So what’s a reasonable contract for him in your estimation?

What I said was he hasn’t proven to be a player you build around. A true stud who plays in all situations. A leader in and off the ice. No he has yet to prove that. That’s fact.

The Blues said the same things about Thomas and Kyrou. Armstrong publicly stated that teams would tank for both players. Do you think that’s true? It’s hilarious actually.

When negotiating with Pietrangelo (who scored a cup goal, captained the team, and did things you will never see again in your lifetime), they never said anything close to that. It’s politics and agenda driven.

For Broberg I’d start in low 7’s with not a lot of term. There is risk in that, but there’s risk the other way too.

He’d probably be worth up to 9 million

Based on what? More than Hutson? Why?

I think the market for a first pairing but not superstar defenseman is around 9 million bucks

Those guys making that money typically get PP time and close out games. They are considered cornerstone, core players.

What do we have here? A later stage Jaybo? That’s what they are playing him like. That what his production resembles. He’s got size and speed but looks like Parayko more than makar or Hutson. Weak shot…with average hands. Not physical at all. Not strong enough on his stick yet.

He deserves nowhere close to 9 thus far. You could hope he develops into that…but he’s pushing 25 not 22.

A huge problem for the blues has been inflated contracts with term…for guys who aren’t as good as their peers making similar or less.

[sdaltons]

Not sure where this nonsense that Broberg doesn't close out games has come from. When the Blues have a late lead, the bench shortens and Fowler and Broberg basically rotate on LD.

As a recent example, while protecting a 1-0 lead against Utah, Broberg was credited with blocking a shot with 13 seconds on the clock. Tough to do from the bench.

The night before, he blocked a shot with about 1:30 remaining in a 4-3 win over Ottawa. He then took a hit from Cozens with :09 on the clock.

[theograce]

Not sure where this nonsense that Broberg doesn't close out games has come from. When the Blues have a late lead, the bench shortens and Fowler and Broberg basically rotate on LD.

I’m talking about ending games on a deficit…trying to tie a game. Everyone knows he pk’s and plays with a lead.

The other night the vet phenom Mails was out there over him lol. A game a bit ago it was 3+ minutes with the goalie pulled where he didn’t even see the ice.

What a core player that is hey

[The Average Gatsby]

That he’s not the type of player you build around. So what’s a reasonable contract for him in your estimation?

What I said was he hasn’t proven to be a player you build around. A true stud who plays in all situations. A leader in and off the ice. No he has yet to prove that. That’s fact.

The Blues said the same things about Thomas and Kyrou. Armstrong publicly stated that teams would tank for both players. Do you think that’s true? It’s hilarious actually.

When negotiating with Pietrangelo (who scored a cup goal, captained the team, and did things you will never see again in your lifetime), they never said anything close to that. It’s politics and agenda driven.

For Broberg I’d start in low 7’s with not a lot of term. There is risk in that, but there’s risk the other way too.

He’d probably be worth up to 9 million

Based on what? More than Hutson? Why?

I think the market for a first pairing but not superstar defenseman is around 9 million bucks

Those guys making that money typically get PP time and close out games. They are considered cornerstone, core players.

What do we have here? A later stage Jaybo? That’s what they are playing him like. That what his production resembles. He’s got size and speed but looks like Parayko more than makar or Hutson. Weak shot…with average hands. Not physical at all. Not strong enough on his stick yet.

He deserves nowhere close to 9 thus far. You could hope he develops into that…but he’s pushing 25 not 22.

A huge problem for the blues has been inflated contracts with term…for guys who aren’t as good as their peers making similar or less.

You’re just getting sticker shock because of the rising cap. A 9 million dollar cap hit isn’t going to be reserved for superstars anymore.

Makar signed for a 9.0m cap hit in 2021 when the cap was 81.5m. That’s 11% of the cap. In 2026-2027 the cap is projected to be 104m. If Makar signed this exact contract today it would be for 11.4m. If Justin Faulk signed his current contract today it would be 8.29m. I think it’s pretty reasonable to slot Broberg in between these 2 players but much closer to Faulk than Makar. And I still think he’ll sign for less than this.

[Bubble4427]

That he’s not the type of player you build around. So what’s a reasonable contract for him in your estimation?

What I said was he hasn’t proven to be a player you build around. A true stud who plays in all situations. A leader in and off the ice. No he has yet to prove that. That’s fact.

The Blues said the same things about Thomas and Kyrou. Armstrong publicly stated that teams would tank for both players. Do you think that’s true? It’s hilarious actually.

When negotiating with Pietrangelo (who scored a cup goal, captained the team, and did things you will never see again in your lifetime), they never said anything close to that. It’s politics and agenda driven.

For Broberg I’d start in low 7’s with not a lot of term. There is risk in that, but there’s risk the other way too.

He’d probably be worth up to 9 million

Based on what? More than Hutson? Why?

I think the market for a first pairing but not superstar defenseman is around 9 million bucks

Those guys making that money typically get PP time and close out games. They are considered cornerstone, core players.

What do we have here? A later stage Jaybo? That’s what they are playing him like. That what his production resembles. He’s got size and speed but looks like Parayko more than makar or Hutson. Weak shot…with average hands. Not physical at all. Not strong enough on his stick yet.

He deserves nowhere close to 9 thus far. You could hope he develops into that…but he’s pushing 25 not 22.

A huge problem for the blues has been inflated contracts with term…for guys who aren’t as good as their peers making similar or less.

You’re just getting sticker shock because of the rising cap. A 9 million dollar cap hit isn’t going to be reserved for superstars anymore.

Makar signed for a 9.0m cap hit in 2021 when the cap was 81.5m. That’s 11% of the cap. In 2026-2027 the cap is projected to be 104m. If Makar signed this exact contract today it would be for 11.4m. If Justin Faulk signed his current contract today it would be 8.29m. I think it’s pretty reasonable to slot Broberg in between these 2 players but much closer to Faulk than Makar. And I still think he’ll sign for less than this.

Finally, someone who is reasonable has spoken...
+1

[Bubble4427]

That he’s not the type of player you build around. So what’s a reasonable contract for him in your estimation?

What I said was he hasn’t proven to be a player you build around. A true stud who plays in all situations. A leader in and off the ice. No he has yet to prove that. That’s fact.

The Blues said the same things about Thomas and Kyrou. Armstrong publicly stated that teams would tank for both players. Do you think that’s true? It’s hilarious actually.

When negotiating with Pietrangelo (who scored a cup goal, captained the team, and did things you will never see again in your lifetime), they never said anything close to that. It’s politics and agenda driven.

For Broberg I’d start in low 7’s with not a lot of term. There is risk in that, but there’s risk the other way too.

He’d probably be worth up to 9 million

Based on what? More than Hutson? Why?

I think the market for a first pairing but not superstar defenseman is around 9 million bucks

Those guys making that money typically get PP time and close out games. They are considered cornerstone, core players.

What do we have here? A later stage Jaybo? That’s what they are playing him like. That what his production resembles. He’s got size and speed but looks like Parayko more than makar or Hutson. Weak shot…with average hands. Not physical at all. Not strong enough on his stick yet.

He deserves nowhere close to 9 thus far. You could hope he develops into that…but he’s pushing 25 not 22.

A huge problem for the blues has been inflated contracts with term…for guys who aren’t as good as their peers making similar or less.

You’re just getting sticker shock because of the rising cap. A 9 million dollar cap hit isn’t going to be reserved for superstars anymore.

Makar signed for a 9.0m cap hit in 2021 when the cap was 81.5m. That’s 11% of the cap. In 2026-2027 the cap is projected to be 104m. If Makar signed this exact contract today it would be for 11.4m. If Justin Faulk signed his current contract today it would be 8.29m. I think it’s pretty reasonable to slot Broberg in between these 2 players but much closer to Faulk than Makar. And I still think he’ll sign for less than this.

I didn't realize that he averaged 24:30 of ice time per game in the month of November....

If he played 28 minutes a night being on the PP unit as well....that is Chris Pronger ice time territory. He's not Pronger, no one will ever be.
I was at a game once where Pronger took a 6 1/2 minute shift to end a game...the guy was a freak.

[theograce]

You’re just getting sticker shock because of the rising cap.

No it’s not sticker shock at all. It’s about player assessment and making him earn the highest contract in franchise history. Because they are playing him more? Because he skates well? There’s propaganda right now. If Montgomery truly thinks Broberg can take over games right now…he’s back on the sauce. Tell me one game he took over. I wanna watch it lol.

You can point to the cap increase all you like, but that’s not the point. Buchnevich is getting 8 per long term in part to them seeing a cap rise, but that’s doesn’t make it good when you compare to peers.

[crookedfeeder]

Broberg camp has the inside track on negotiations; Armstrong put the offer sheet in for him; he's Armstrong's guy (his brilliance- in his mind); he's getting paid. i.e. Armstrong traded for Buchnevich; nobody else wanted him (realistic); but Armstrong had to save face and paid him. nobody wanted us spending money on Buchnevich.

Don't get me wrong; I want Broberg. but, also, don't get it wrong, his camp (Broberg) is in the drivers seat.

$8m-out, $8m-in; ideally.