Holy Sheet!!!--Cards having preliminary talks to EXTEND Oli Marmol

[Ozziesfan41]

Lol at anyone that thinks could manage the team half as well as Oli. I love watching people's heads explode though. I hope they resign him for 5 years.

I honestly don't know if anyone else could have gotten a better record from this team in 2025. I do know pulling Quintana after 75 pitches and trying to get 2 innings from a closer with a jammed finger was idiotic and he STILL thinks he made the right decisions that night. He did pull starters far too early in 23 and 24, but this year, at least before their epic collapse, I thought he did a much better job managing the BP.

What I DO know is the majority of the fans have no faith in Oli and view him as a remnant of the past regime and do not believe he's done anything to prove he's worthy of an extension at this time. Giving him ANOTHER undeserving extension will do nothing but further alienate the fans and slow the timetable of trust and success they're trying to rebuild.

As far as you Oli apologists go, I have no idea what you see in him that warrants such undeserving loyalty.

Not an Oli apologist at all. I couldn't care less if he were fired today or extended another couple season. This team does not have the talent to compete. Look at the starting rotation and 9 man starting lineup the last couple seasons and tell me with a straight face what manager could actually guide this team into the playoffs, keeping in mind that we sold off our top 2 bullpen arms at the trade deadline last season as well.

Which forced The Marmot to give more appearances to Svanson, who was clearly the team's most effective reliever.
That never would have happened had it not been forced on The Marmot.

Oli is fine as long as he is paint by numbers managing. Give him 3 or 4 good relievers and he will go with the formula 7,8,9 to win games. Other than that when he has to actually manage or if the paint by numbers fails he short circuits. He’s also not a good motivator the players like him because he’s their buddy but he doesn’t motivate them it was confirmed when arenado said in the win streak it was a couple of years since they came to the ball park expecting good things to happen instead of hoping good things happen that said it all there. It means when pujols and Molina left it was all on oli to lead the team and he isn’t a leader he’s a friend

[cardinalsfever44]

Lol at anyone that thinks could manage the team half as well as Oli. I love watching people's heads explode though. I hope they resign him for 5 years.

I honestly don't know if anyone else could have gotten a better record from this team in 2025. I do know pulling Quintana after 75 pitches and trying to get 2 innings from a closer with a jammed finger was idiotic and he STILL thinks he made the right decisions that night. He did pull starters far too early in 23 and 24, but this year, at least before their epic collapse, I thought he did a much better job managing the BP.

What I DO know is the majority of the fans have no faith in Oli and view him as a remnant of the past regime and do not believe he's done anything to prove he's worthy of an extension at this time. Giving him ANOTHER undeserving extension will do nothing but further alienate the fans and slow the timetable of trust and success they're trying to rebuild.

As far as you Oli apologists go, I have no idea what you see in him that warrants such undeserving loyalty.

Not an Oli apologist at all. I couldn't care less if he were fired today or extended another couple season. This team does not have the talent to compete. Look at the starting rotation and 9 man starting lineup the last couple seasons and tell me with a straight face what manager could actually guide this team into the playoffs, keeping in mind that we sold off our top 2 bullpen arms at the trade deadline last season as well.

Which forced The Marmot to give more appearances to Svanson, who was clearly the team's most effective reliever.
That never would have happened had it not been forced on The Marmot.

Oli is fine as long as he is paint by numbers managing. Give him 3 or 4 good relievers and he will go with the formula 7,8,9 to win games. Other than that when he has to actually manage or if the paint by numbers fails he short circuits. He’s also not a good motivator the players like him because he’s their buddy but he doesn’t motivate them it was confirmed when arenado said in the win streak it was a couple of years since they came to the ball park expecting good things to happen instead of hoping good things happen that said it all there. It means when pujols and Molina left it was all on oli to lead the team and he isn’t a leader he’s a friend

So he had a top 10 MLB bullpen by being paint by numbers? He certainly didn't have a top 10 talented MLB bullpen.

[11WSChamps]

The manager is the least of this team's worries.

Managers with years left on a contract have been fired before.

This team needs three OFers, a 3B, 3 starting pitchers, a closer and soon a real LH option out of the BP...not to mention an everyday catcher.

[Ozziesfan41]

Lol at anyone that thinks could manage the team half as well as Oli. I love watching people's heads explode though. I hope they resign him for 5 years.

I honestly don't know if anyone else could have gotten a better record from this team in 2025. I do know pulling Quintana after 75 pitches and trying to get 2 innings from a closer with a jammed finger was idiotic and he STILL thinks he made the right decisions that night. He did pull starters far too early in 23 and 24, but this year, at least before their epic collapse, I thought he did a much better job managing the BP.

What I DO know is the majority of the fans have no faith in Oli and view him as a remnant of the past regime and do not believe he's done anything to prove he's worthy of an extension at this time. Giving him ANOTHER undeserving extension will do nothing but further alienate the fans and slow the timetable of trust and success they're trying to rebuild.

As far as you Oli apologists go, I have no idea what you see in him that warrants such undeserving loyalty.

Not an Oli apologist at all. I couldn't care less if he were fired today or extended another couple season. This team does not have the talent to compete. Look at the starting rotation and 9 man starting lineup the last couple seasons and tell me with a straight face what manager could actually guide this team into the playoffs, keeping in mind that we sold off our top 2 bullpen arms at the trade deadline last season as well.

Which forced The Marmot to give more appearances to Svanson, who was clearly the team's most effective reliever.
That never would have happened had it not been forced on The Marmot.

Oli is fine as long as he is paint by numbers managing. Give him 3 or 4 good relievers and he will go with the formula 7,8,9 to win games. Other than that when he has to actually manage or if the paint by numbers fails he short circuits. He’s also not a good motivator the players like him because he’s their buddy but he doesn’t motivate them it was confirmed when arenado said in the win streak it was a couple of years since they came to the ball park expecting good things to happen instead of hoping good things happen that said it all there. It means when pujols and Molina left it was all on oli to lead the team and he isn’t a leader he’s a friend

So he had a top 10 MLB bullpen by being paint by numbers? He certainly didn't have a top 10 talented MLB bullpen.

How did he not? The numbers say otherwise. He would go to the same solid relievers when he had the lead paint by numbers. If the game didn’t go that way he lost his mind. Look no more than the confused bewildered look on his face when he watched and watched and watched and watched as helsley melted down in the post season classic deer in the headlights look on his face had no clue what to do because that wasn’t scripted. He’s solid as long as he’s paint by numbers get him out of that and he’s done. If you like him cool but cardinals will never win with him managing never

[cardinalsfever44]

Lol at anyone that thinks could manage the team half as well as Oli. I love watching people's heads explode though. I hope they resign him for 5 years.

I honestly don't know if anyone else could have gotten a better record from this team in 2025. I do know pulling Quintana after 75 pitches and trying to get 2 innings from a closer with a jammed finger was idiotic and he STILL thinks he made the right decisions that night. He did pull starters far too early in 23 and 24, but this year, at least before their epic collapse, I thought he did a much better job managing the BP.

What I DO know is the majority of the fans have no faith in Oli and view him as a remnant of the past regime and do not believe he's done anything to prove he's worthy of an extension at this time. Giving him ANOTHER undeserving extension will do nothing but further alienate the fans and slow the timetable of trust and success they're trying to rebuild.

As far as you Oli apologists go, I have no idea what you see in him that warrants such undeserving loyalty.

Not an Oli apologist at all. I couldn't care less if he were fired today or extended another couple season. This team does not have the talent to compete. Look at the starting rotation and 9 man starting lineup the last couple seasons and tell me with a straight face what manager could actually guide this team into the playoffs, keeping in mind that we sold off our top 2 bullpen arms at the trade deadline last season as well.

Which forced The Marmot to give more appearances to Svanson, who was clearly the team's most effective reliever.
That never would have happened had it not been forced on The Marmot.

Oli is fine as long as he is paint by numbers managing. Give him 3 or 4 good relievers and he will go with the formula 7,8,9 to win games. Other than that when he has to actually manage or if the paint by numbers fails he short circuits. He’s also not a good motivator the players like him because he’s their buddy but he doesn’t motivate them it was confirmed when arenado said in the win streak it was a couple of years since they came to the ball park expecting good things to happen instead of hoping good things happen that said it all there. It means when pujols and Molina left it was all on oli to lead the team and he isn’t a leader he’s a friend

So he had a top 10 MLB bullpen by being paint by numbers? He certainly didn't have a top 10 talented MLB bullpen.

How did he not? The numbers say otherwise. He would go to the same solid relievers when he had the lead paint by numbers. If the game didn’t go that way he lost his mind. Look no more than the confused bewildered look on his face when he watched and watched and watched and watched as helsley melted down in the post season classic deer in the headlights look on his face had no clue what to do because that wasn’t scripted. He’s solid as long as he’s paint by numbers get him out of that and he’s done. If you like him cool but cardinals will never win with him managing never

There's the go to Cards Talk come back. "Well if you love Oli....." Again, I never even said I like him or hate him. With this roster, what manager is going to win? He led a patched together bullpen to a top 10 ERA in 2025. That's not paint by numbers.

[Goldfan]

Can someone post a list of the things Oli has done over the course of a game, games, season that definitively prove to you and us that he has won ballgames for this team and outmanaged the fella in the other dugout

[cardinalsfever44]

Can someone post a list of the things Oli has done over the course of a game, games, season that definitively prove to you and us that he has won ballgames for this team and outmanaged the fella in the other dugout

Can you post this list for any manager?

If Cards Talk greatest manager ever is all that, why was Francona only 6-7 vs. Oli and the Cardinals last season if Oli is the worst manager in the history of MLB?

[Goldfan]

Can someone post a list of the things Oli has done over the course of a game, games, season that definitively prove to you and us that he has won ballgames for this team and outmanaged the fella in the other dugout

Can you post this list for any manager?

If Cards Talk greatest manager ever is all that, why was Francona only 6-7 vs. Oli and the Cardinals last season if Oli is the worst manager in the history of MLB?

Absolutely

[cardinalsfever44]

Can someone post a list of the things Oli has done over the course of a game, games, season that definitively prove to you and us that he has won ballgames for this team and outmanaged the fella in the other dugout

Can you post this list for any manager?

If Cards Talk greatest manager ever is all that, why was Francona only 6-7 vs. Oli and the Cardinals last season if Oli is the worst manager in the history of MLB?

Absolutely

Let's see it.

[Goldfan]

Can someone post a list of the things Oli has done over the course of a game, games, season that definitively prove to you and us that he has won ballgames for this team and outmanaged the fella in the other dugout

Can you post this list for any manager?

If Cards Talk greatest manager ever is all that, why was Francona only 6-7 vs. Oli and the Cardinals last season if Oli is the worst manager in the history of MLB?

Absolutely

Beginning of this season Oli was batting WC 2nd, I pointed out at the time that WC was terrible batting 2 and his best career position in the order was 5th
But here was the thinking ….”WC is the best hitter on the team, so he must bat 2nd because that’s how we do it in MLB now”
Very robotic and he no feel or game intuition

[Goldfan]

Can someone post a list of the things Oli has done over the course of a game, games, season that definitively prove to you and us that he has won ballgames for this team and outmanaged the fella in the other dugout

Can you post this list for any manager?

If Cards Talk greatest manager ever is all that, why was Francona only 6-7 vs. Oli and the Cardinals last season if Oli is the worst manager in the history of MLB?

Absolutely

Let's see it.

Did you watch Robert’s manage his team back into the WS and eventually winning it. Clearly outmanaged his BlueJays counterpart

[Ozziesfan41]

Lol at anyone that thinks could manage the team half as well as Oli. I love watching people's heads explode though. I hope they resign him for 5 years.

I honestly don't know if anyone else could have gotten a better record from this team in 2025. I do know pulling Quintana after 75 pitches and trying to get 2 innings from a closer with a jammed finger was idiotic and he STILL thinks he made the right decisions that night. He did pull starters far too early in 23 and 24, but this year, at least before their epic collapse, I thought he did a much better job managing the BP.

What I DO know is the majority of the fans have no faith in Oli and view him as a remnant of the past regime and do not believe he's done anything to prove he's worthy of an extension at this time. Giving him ANOTHER undeserving extension will do nothing but further alienate the fans and slow the timetable of trust and success they're trying to rebuild.

As far as you Oli apologists go, I have no idea what you see in him that warrants such undeserving loyalty.

Not an Oli apologist at all. I couldn't care less if he were fired today or extended another couple season. This team does not have the talent to compete. Look at the starting rotation and 9 man starting lineup the last couple seasons and tell me with a straight face what manager could actually guide this team into the playoffs, keeping in mind that we sold off our top 2 bullpen arms at the trade deadline last season as well.

Which forced The Marmot to give more appearances to Svanson, who was clearly the team's most effective reliever.
That never would have happened had it not been forced on The Marmot.

Oli is fine as long as he is paint by numbers managing. Give him 3 or 4 good relievers and he will go with the formula 7,8,9 to win games. Other than that when he has to actually manage or if the paint by numbers fails he short circuits. He’s also not a good motivator the players like him because he’s their buddy but he doesn’t motivate them it was confirmed when arenado said in the win streak it was a couple of years since they came to the ball park expecting good things to happen instead of hoping good things happen that said it all there. It means when pujols and Molina left it was all on oli to lead the team and he isn’t a leader he’s a friend

So he had a top 10 MLB bullpen by being paint by numbers? He certainly didn't have a top 10 talented MLB bullpen.

How did he not? The numbers say otherwise. He would go to the same solid relievers when he had the lead paint by numbers. If the game didn’t go that way he lost his mind. Look no more than the confused bewildered look on his face when he watched and watched and watched and watched as helsley melted down in the post season classic deer in the headlights look on his face had no clue what to do because that wasn’t scripted. He’s solid as long as he’s paint by numbers get him out of that and he’s done. If you like him cool but cardinals will never win with him managing never

There's the go to Cards Talk come back. "Well if you love Oli....." Again, I never even said I like him or hate him. With this roster, what manager is going to win? He led a patched together bullpen to a top 10 ERA in 2025. That's not paint by numbers.

It doesn’t matter wins and losses I agree with that but the team plays poor fundamental baseball. I don’t think oli is the primary problem with the team but he’s definitely not
Part of the solution the team has players like noot Gorman and walker who have played several years and still play poor fundamentally that’s on the manager

[cardinalsfever44]

Can someone post a list of the things Oli has done over the course of a game, games, season that definitively prove to you and us that he has won ballgames for this team and outmanaged the fella in the other dugout

Can you post this list for any manager?

If Cards Talk greatest manager ever is all that, why was Francona only 6-7 vs. Oli and the Cardinals last season if Oli is the worst manager in the history of MLB?

Absolutely

Let's see it.

Did you watch Robert’s manage his team back into the WS and eventually winning it. Clearly outmanaged his BlueJays counterpart

Ha. So what you're saying is the Cards and Dodgers have comparable talent on their 2025 rosters?

Why couldn't the Dodgers hit in the postseason? Roberts clearly sucks.

[Goldfan]

Can someone post a list of the things Oli has done over the course of a game, games, season that definitively prove to you and us that he has won ballgames for this team and outmanaged the fella in the other dugout

Can you post this list for any manager?

If Cards Talk greatest manager ever is all that, why was Francona only 6-7 vs. Oli and the Cardinals last season if Oli is the worst manager in the history of MLB?

Absolutely

Let's see it.

Did you watch Robert’s manage his team back into the WS and eventually winning it. Clearly outmanaged his BlueJays counterpart

Ha. So what you're saying is the Cards and Dodgers have comparable talent on their 2025 rosters?

Why couldn't the Dodgers hit in the postseason? Roberts clearly sucks.

Either a manager matters or he doesn’t…….take a stand

[cardinalsfever44]

Can someone post a list of the things Oli has done over the course of a game, games, season that definitively prove to you and us that he has won ballgames for this team and outmanaged the fella in the other dugout

Can you post this list for any manager?

If Cards Talk greatest manager ever is all that, why was Francona only 6-7 vs. Oli and the Cardinals last season if Oli is the worst manager in the history of MLB?

Absolutely

Let's see it.

Did you watch Robert’s manage his team back into the WS and eventually winning it. Clearly outmanaged his BlueJays counterpart

Ha. So what you're saying is the Cards and Dodgers have comparable talent on their 2025 rosters?

Why couldn't the Dodgers hit in the postseason? Roberts clearly sucks.

Either a manager matters or he doesn’t…….take a stand

My stand, as I've stated many times on this board, is that a managers impact is negligible unless he's a total dumpster fire.

It's funny to me that you guys lose your [shirt] over anything and everything Oli. Keep up the solid work on telling me how great of a manager Dave Roberts is while coaching most likely the most talented roster in MLB history.

[Southern Illinois]

I hate this.

Because now I have to read and hear a bunch of simpletons shout to the hills that the manager is the problem with this deeply, deeply flawed team for the past four years.

The Marmot is a weak, obedient member of the STL rodent community, perfectly willing to remain prey for superior predators at the expense of living a minimalist existence for as long as he can survive.
Who gave Mikolas 31 starts?
The Marmot.
Who obediently denied starts to McGreevy until it will too late and irrelevant, even though he was the far superior option?
The Marmot.
Who refused to bench N/A simply because of his contract, wasting yet another season of giving opportunities to younger, better players?
The Marmot.
Who continued to play Lars The Human-Sushi-baar and repeat the propaganda that he was "a long term core player" at the direction of Super Slo Mo - even though it had been obvious for years that the outfielder was no such thing and never would be?
The Marmot.
Who made the laughably inept decision to begin the season with Herrera as the anointed starting catcher - even though Ivan has never displayed even the most basic competency at the position and had been rejected by the pitching staff?
The Marmot.
On and on and on the list could go.
Oliver Marmol has badly mismanaged the roster simply because he is too weak, too much of a yes man for the front office, too interested in being liked rather than respected by players.
We can fairly debate the quality of the roster he has had to work with each year.
But he consistently gets less from it than he should.

Marmol does not have final say who is on the roster.

Marmol said as diplomatically as he could that he wanted to put in McGreevy for Fedde.

Consistently gets less than he should from the roster!? A roster that includes Miles Mikolas, Garret Hampson, Erick Fedde, and Andre Pallante?

Melville, if you weren't consistently enjoying the smell of your own farts on here, I would absolutely think you were joking.

He decides who plays.
When.
And where.
The Marmot has consistently been terrible in those decisions.
As illustrated though my perfect list of examples above - which is but a small sampling of the many mistakes he has made.

If you were 1/3 as smart as you think you are you wouldn’t be pontificating and patting yourself on the back in Cards Talk but would be running a team somewhere.