Holy Sheet!!!--Cards having preliminary talks to EXTEND Oli Marmol

[Voldemort]

A body on the cheap! Why would anyone be surprised? Company man who won't raise a stink.

[Melville]

I've been saying this all offseason. Everyone keeps complaining that Oli hasn't been fired immediately and think that they're only keeping him because they are cheap and don't want to pay him for doing nothing next year, as if they haven't done that in the past or didn't just now pay $20 million to trade a guy.

But what if Bloom actually likes Oli. The players all seem to. I've heard for years how cheap DeWitt is and how Mo is so awful that he ruined a perennial World Series caliber franchise. If that's true, why would anyone expect Oli to succeed in such an awful regime? Maybe Bloom would like to see how it goes next year, and if it's working, then they extend him.

It doesn't seem crazy at all to me.

"But what if Bloom actually likes Oli."
That would make him a Blooming idiot.

[Strummer Jones]

I hate this.

Because now I have to read and hear a bunch of simpletons shout to the hills that the manager is the problem with this deeply, deeply flawed team for the past four years.

[Melville]

A body on the cheap! Why would anyone be surprised? Company man who won't raise a stink.

"Company man"
The ONLY reason The Marmot got the job.
The ONLY reason The Marmot has kept the job.

[Strummer Jones]

I've been saying this all offseason. Everyone keeps complaining that Oli hasn't been fired immediately and think that they're only keeping him because they are cheap and don't want to pay him for doing nothing next year, as if they haven't done that in the past or didn't just now pay $20 million to trade a guy.

But what if Bloom actually likes Oli. The players all seem to. I've heard for years how cheap DeWitt is and how Mo is so awful that he ruined a perennial World Series caliber franchise. If that's true, why would anyone expect Oli to succeed in such an awful regime? Maybe Bloom would like to see how it goes next year, and if it's working, then they extend him.

It doesn't seem crazy at all to me.

BUT HE USEZ IPEDS AN NO OTHER SIKSESFIL BASEBAL TEAM DUZ THAT OLI IPED ISN'T THAT A CLEAVER NAME

Too much logic, Ronnie. And too much critical thinking.

[Melville]

I hate this.

Because now I have to read and hear a bunch of simpletons shout to the hills that the manager is the problem with this deeply, deeply flawed team for the past four years.

The Marmot is a weak, obedient member of the STL rodent community, perfectly willing to remain prey for superior predators at the expense of living a minimalist existence for as long as he can survive.
Who gave Mikolas 31 starts?
The Marmot.
Who obediently denied starts to McGreevy until it will too late and irrelevant, even though he was the far superior option?
The Marmot.
Who refused to bench N/A simply because of his contract, wasting yet another season of giving opportunities to younger, better players?
The Marmot.
Who continued to play Lars The Human-Sushi-baar and repeat the propaganda that he was "a long term core player" at the direction of Super Slo Mo - even though it had been obvious for years that the outfielder was no such thing and never would be?
The Marmot.
Who made the laughably inept decision to begin the season with Herrera as the anointed starting catcher - even though Ivan has never displayed even the most basic competency at the position and had been rejected by the pitching staff?
The Marmot.
On and on and on the list could go.
Oliver Marmol has badly mismanaged the roster simply because he is too weak, too much of a yes man for the front office, too interested in being liked rather than respected by players.
We can fairly debate the quality of the roster he has had to work with each year.
But he consistently gets less from it than he should.

[Idaho Cards]

My experience is that most people are not as good as they seem, or as bad as they seem. They're probably somewhere in the middle. There are some solid baseball people in the organization who obviously see OM as an asset. I think a litmus test will be how he handles spring training with such a young roster.

[Goldfan]

I hate this.

Because now I have to read and hear a bunch of simpletons shout to the hills that the manager is the problem with this deeply, deeply flawed team for the past four years.

If he’s pulling a SP at 5innings while the P is cruising….
If he leaves a SP in while getting hammered to a point where game is over…..
Stupid lineups until 1/3 of season is over and then he figures it out…..
Show Me you’re not really this stupid Oli

[Stlcardsblues]

I don't know

The manager is an easy target. It's also very easy to jump in and complain about whatever the multitude complains about.

The one thing this board has taught me is it doesn’t matter who the manager is, unless his name is Terry Francona this board will feel the manager is terrible.

This board hated LaRussa, Matheny and Schildt.

[alw80]

He is the best manager we've had since TLR.

You do realize Matheny made it to a WS without Pujols and Carpenter……

Big deal, Ned Yost went to two and won one and he's every bit as awful if not worse than Matheny.

[Strummer Jones]

I hate this.

Because now I have to read and hear a bunch of simpletons shout to the hills that the manager is the problem with this deeply, deeply flawed team for the past four years.

The Marmot is a weak, obedient member of the STL rodent community, perfectly willing to remain prey for superior predators at the expense of living a minimalist existence for as long as he can survive.
Who gave Mikolas 31 starts?
The Marmot.
Who obediently denied starts to McGreevy until it will too late and irrelevant, even though he was the far superior option?
The Marmot.
Who refused to bench N/A simply because of his contract, wasting yet another season of giving opportunities to younger, better players?
The Marmot.
Who continued to play Lars The Human-Sushi-baar and repeat the propaganda that he was "a long term core player" at the direction of Super Slo Mo - even though it had been obvious for years that the outfielder was no such thing and never would be?
The Marmot.
Who made the laughably inept decision to begin the season with Herrera as the anointed starting catcher - even though Ivan has never displayed even the most basic competency at the position and had been rejected by the pitching staff?
The Marmot.
On and on and on the list could go.
Oliver Marmol has badly mismanaged the roster simply because he is too weak, too much of a yes man for the front office, too interested in being liked rather than respected by players.
We can fairly debate the quality of the roster he has had to work with each year.
But he consistently gets less from it than he should.

Marmol does not have final say who is on the roster.

Marmol said as diplomatically as he could that he wanted to put in McGreevy for Fedde.

Consistently gets less than he should from the roster!? A roster that includes Miles Mikolas, Garret Hampson, Erick Fedde, and Andre Pallante?

Melville, if you weren't consistently enjoying the smell of your own farts on here, I would absolutely think you were joking.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

My experience is that most people are not as good as they seem, or as bad as they seem. They're probably somewhere in the middle. There are some solid baseball people in the organization who obviously see OM as an asset. I think a litmus test will be how he handles spring training with such a young roster.

Basically my thoughts as well.

And it makes sense to me that having "preliminary" extension talks with your manager now is a better idea than having them during the middle of the season. Managers have enough sleepless nights as it is during the season, no reason to add more to their plate. You can be honest with the manager and let him know that we're interested in extending you, but we want the front office to get a chance to see how well they work together.

Or maybe the deal is imminent. I don't know.

[CrazyForMyRedbirdsInLA]

Trust in Bloom
Also...good luck hiring a HOF manager in the middle of a rebuild.
Waiting to hear the HOF managers we should be hiring instead?
Oli was over .500 as Cards manager with these teams he's had, I think that's amazing.
Move on and enjoy your Thanksgiving.

[cardinalsfever44]

I hate this.

Because now I have to read and hear a bunch of simpletons shout to the hills that the manager is the problem with this deeply, deeply flawed team for the past four years.

Yep. Very annoying.

[Melville]

I hate this.

Because now I have to read and hear a bunch of simpletons shout to the hills that the manager is the problem with this deeply, deeply flawed team for the past four years.

The Marmot is a weak, obedient member of the STL rodent community, perfectly willing to remain prey for superior predators at the expense of living a minimalist existence for as long as he can survive.
Who gave Mikolas 31 starts?
The Marmot.
Who obediently denied starts to McGreevy until it will too late and irrelevant, even though he was the far superior option?
The Marmot.
Who refused to bench N/A simply because of his contract, wasting yet another season of giving opportunities to younger, better players?
The Marmot.
Who continued to play Lars The Human-Sushi-baar and repeat the propaganda that he was "a long term core player" at the direction of Super Slo Mo - even though it had been obvious for years that the outfielder was no such thing and never would be?
The Marmot.
Who made the laughably inept decision to begin the season with Herrera as the anointed starting catcher - even though Ivan has never displayed even the most basic competency at the position and had been rejected by the pitching staff?
The Marmot.
On and on and on the list could go.
Oliver Marmol has badly mismanaged the roster simply because he is too weak, too much of a yes man for the front office, too interested in being liked rather than respected by players.
We can fairly debate the quality of the roster he has had to work with each year.
But he consistently gets less from it than he should.

Marmol does not have final say who is on the roster.

Marmol said as diplomatically as he could that he wanted to put in McGreevy for Fedde.

Consistently gets less than he should from the roster!? A roster that includes Miles Mikolas, Garret Hampson, Erick Fedde, and Andre Pallante?

Melville, if you weren't consistently enjoying the smell of your own farts on here, I would absolutely think you were joking.

He decides who plays.
When.
And where.
The Marmot has consistently been terrible in those decisions.
As illustrated though my perfect list of examples above - which is but a small sampling of the many mistakes he has made.

[Strummer Jones]

I hate this.

Because now I have to read and hear a bunch of simpletons shout to the hills that the manager is the problem with this deeply, deeply flawed team for the past four years.

If he’s pulling a SP at 5innings while the P is cruising….
If he leaves a SP in while getting hammered to a point where game is over…..
Stupid lineups until 1/3 of season is over and then he figures it out…..
Show Me you’re not really this stupid Oli

One, that line-up was cruising pretty good for the first third of the season. Two, that line-up got absolutely exposed because there is no linchpin hitter on that team. And that is on Mozeliak.

Two, what starting pitching? Miles Mikolas? Erick Fedde? Andre Pallante? Those dudes cruised? Those dudes got absolutely spanked regularly. Maybe if there was better investment in the rotation you would have a point. Better to let those guys get spanked than to burn up all of your relievers in a losing game.

The rotation sucked. That is a fact. Oli does not make trades, sign free agents, or call up/send down players. That is also a fact.

Three, and boy this is a doozy after the last one, but pulling your starters after five? With those three, IF they were cruising, you were lucky to get five innings of that. Also...Libby regularly went 5+ when he was cruising. So did Sonny and McGreevy. Not to mention that by the end of the year, Pallante and Libby were clearly on fumes because they had blown past what they've thrown before.

So, seems to me the solution is to get more of those guys who can be reliable for more than 5 innings. And, say it with me, "That. Is. Not. Marmol's. Job."