Shady wrote: ↑17 Nov 2025 20:21 pm
If Donovan is traded for either a TOR starting pitcher or a MOTO bat. It seems, DeWitt is still going to have to spend some money to get one or the other.
That's lower than what you said the Cards would get for Carlson and Arenado. Donovan has a higher value. Curious, what teams would give the Cardinals an established MOTO bat or a TOR starting pitcher for a projected $5-6million player like Donovan? And why would a rebuilding team take on even more money in contracts in your scenario? And "savvy GM/POBO" isn't a viable response.
Any return for Donovan would be prospects that would likely play in the minors. Outside chance they get a floundering young major leaguer, it's a very outside chance that Fangraphs projects producing less than 1 WAR.
That's what the industry is saying...that's what the Cards want...prospects.
Shady wrote: ↑17 Nov 2025 20:21 pm
If Donovan is traded for either a TOR starting pitcher or a MOTO bat. It seems, DeWitt is still going to have to spend some money to get one or the other.
That's lower than what you said the Cards would get for Carlson and Arenado. Donovan has a higher value. Curious, what teams would give the Cardinals an established MOTO bat or a TOR starting pitcher for a projected $5-6million player like Donovan? And why would a rebuilding team take on even more money in contracts in your scenario? And "savvy GM/POBO" isn't a viable response.
Any return for Donovan would be prospects that would likely play in the minors. Outside chance they get a floundering young major leaguer, it's a very outside chance that Fangraphs projects producing less than 1 WAR.
That's what the industry is saying...that's what the Cards want...prospects.
This is exactly why I asked Shady in the comment before yours. I was making sure my eyes hadn't left me yet!
Shady wrote: ↑17 Nov 2025 20:21 pm
If Donovan is traded for either a TOR starting pitcher or a MOTO bat. It seems, DeWitt is still going to have to spend some money to get one or the other.
That's lower than what you said the Cards would get for Carlson and Arenado. Donovan has a higher value. Curious, what teams would give the Cardinals an established MOTO bat or a TOR starting pitcher for a projected $5-6million player like Donovan? And why would a rebuilding team take on even more money in contracts in your scenario? And "savvy GM/POBO" isn't a viable response.
Any return for Donovan would be prospects that would likely play in the minors. Outside chance they get a floundering young major leaguer, it's a very outside chance that Fangraphs projects producing less than 1 WAR.
That's what the industry is saying...that's what the Cards want...prospects.
This is exactly why I asked Shady in the comment before yours. I was making sure my eyes hadn't left me yet!
sorry, Zuck. I didn't see yours. Maybe he'll answer yours.
Shady wrote: ↑17 Nov 2025 20:21 pm
If Donovan is traded for either a TOR starting pitcher or a MOTO bat. It seems, DeWitt is still going to have to spend some money to get one or the other.
That's lower than what you said the Cards would get for Carlson and Arenado. Donovan has a higher value. Curious, what teams would give the Cardinals an established MOTO bat or a TOR starting pitcher for a projected $5-6million player like Donovan? And why would a rebuilding team take on even more money in contracts in your scenario? And "savvy GM/POBO" isn't a viable response.
Any return for Donovan would be prospects that would likely play in the minors. Outside chance they get a floundering young major leaguer, it's a very outside chance that Fangraphs projects producing less than 1 WAR.
That's what the industry is saying...that's what the Cards want...prospects.
This is exactly why I asked Shady in the comment before yours. I was making sure my eyes hadn't left me yet!
sorry, Zuck. I didn't see yours. Maybe he'll answer yours.
No issues at all Craviduce. I hope so. It should be a doozy!
Shady wrote: ↑17 Nov 2025 18:33 pm
Against RHP and LHP. Herrera, Burleson, Winn and Scott. Many feel the Cardinals need an addition/additions in the MOTO that would, likely, affect this. Add Contreras to the equation if he's still with the club.
Herrera 3
Burleson 6
Winn 7-8
Scott 9
I'd leave Contreras 5.
JJW at 1.
Need to add a 2 and 4.
I'd add Bellinger for 2 and Suarez for 4
JJW 4
Bellinger 9
Herrera 2
Suarez 5
Contreras 3
Burleson 7
Winn 6
Gorman DH
Scott II 8
Current roster: Arenado traded; Gorman traded; Walker to AAA
1. Wetherholt 2B 2. Herrera C
3. Donovan 3B
4. Contreras 1B 5. Burleson DH
6. Nootbar LF 7. Winn SS
8. Church RF - at least he can field 9. Scott CF - at least he can field
cardstatman wrote: ↑17 Nov 2025 23:40 pm
Current roster: Arenado traded; Gorman traded; Walker to AAA
1. Wetherholt 2B 2. Herrera C
3. Donovan 3B
4. Contreras 1B 5. Burleson DH
6. Nootbar LF 7. Winn SS
8. Church RF - at least he can field 9. Scott CF - at least he can field
You have Arenado and Gorman traded ... Why not Donovan ? It's not a matter of IF he is traded but WHEN he is traded IMO Seems 98% he is a goner . There are so many suitors out there , I can't see how someone won't give Bloom what he wants in a return for Donnie.
Some good suggestions. One thing for sure, there are a lot of variables for the lineup, depending on expected moves, going into '26. Big question, how will they get a much needed power hitter? Especially, without spending some big bucks. Two nice additions would really be helpful. Wetherholt at 1, Herrera at 5, Burleson at 6, Winn at 8 and Scott II at 9 are reasonable options. Now Bloom needs to fill in the missing spots.
Shady wrote: ↑18 Nov 2025 09:59 am
Some good suggestions. One thing for sure, there are a lot of variables for the lineup, depending on expected moves, going into '26. Big question, how will they get a much needed power hitter? Especially, without spending some big bucks. Two nice additions would really be helpful. Wetherholt at 1, Herrera at 5, Burleson at 6, Winn at 8 and Scott II at 9 are reasonable options. Now Bloom needs to fill in the missing spots.
For the umpteenth time, they aren't primarily focused on being competitive next year.
Shady wrote: ↑18 Nov 2025 09:59 am
Some good suggestions. One thing for sure, there are a lot of variables for the lineup, depending on expected moves, going into '26. Big question, how will they get a much needed power hitter? Especially, without spending some big bucks. Two nice additions would really be helpful. Wetherholt at 1, Herrera at 5, Burleson at 6, Winn at 8 and Scott II at 9 are reasonable options. Now Bloom needs to fill in the missing spots.
For the umpteenth time, they aren't primarily focused on being competitive next year.
So you are confident DeWitt is fine with dwindling attendance in '26.
Shady wrote: ↑18 Nov 2025 09:59 am
Some good suggestions. One thing for sure, there are a lot of variables for the lineup, depending on expected moves, going into '26. Big question, how will they get a much needed power hitter? Especially, without spending some big bucks. Two nice additions would really be helpful. Wetherholt at 1, Herrera at 5, Burleson at 6, Winn at 8 and Scott II at 9 are reasonable options. Now Bloom needs to fill in the missing spots.
For the umpteenth time, they aren't primarily focused on being competitive next year.
So you are confident DeWitt is fine with dwindling attendance in '26.
No, I am confident that your head is so thick that you simply won't listen to what Bloom is saying, no matter how many times or how many ways he says it.
Shady wrote: ↑18 Nov 2025 09:59 am
Some good suggestions. One thing for sure, there are a lot of variables for the lineup, depending on expected moves, going into '26. Big question, how will they get a much needed power hitter? Especially, without spending some big bucks. Two nice additions would really be helpful. Wetherholt at 1, Herrera at 5, Burleson at 6, Winn at 8 and Scott II at 9 are reasonable options. Now Bloom needs to fill in the missing spots.
Does Burley bat 6th? He's a "Utility Player", so decreed by the MLB. That's only good for around 120 games. "Utility Players" usually slot in around 8th or 9th in the lineup. At least he has a "Prime" subscription.
