why all the talk and interest in stars as managers?

[Galatians221jb1]

pujols,waino etc who are mentioned here have no experience and the fact is most of the bigger names players have been poor managers...in most cases successful managers have been like larussa and so many others marginal players who didnt have the great talent and had to try to enhance their talents with cerebral abilities..hitting 700 homers has absolutely nothing to do with managing

I think it’s because the players are aggressively wanting to manage. Many assume that they are gazillionaires who never need to work again. Both Yadi and Albert have stated that baseball is all they know and they want to stay in the game. They have a work ethic and miss competing and being involved. That’s a good thing. I’m offended when I read that they are “toxic”. They are among the best players who ever played. They are not “toxic”

[BrockFloodMaris]

pujols,waino etc who are mentioned here have no experience and the fact is most of the bigger names players have been poor managers...in most cases successful managers have been like larussa and so many others marginal players who didnt have the great talent and had to try to enhance their talents with cerebral abilities..hitting 700 homers has absolutely nothing to do with managing

I think it’s because the players are aggressively wanting to manage. Many assume that they are gazillionaires who never need to work again. Both Yadi and Albert have stated that baseball is all they know and they want to stay in the game. They have a work ethic and miss competing and being involved. That’s a good thing. I’m offended when I read that they are “toxic”. They are among the best players who ever played. They are not “toxic”

Why would Albert want to commit to being away from his Dominican tv personality wife eight months out of the year to come to STL to manage a franchise through a loss-heavy rebuild?

[DwaininAztec]

One of the reasons I think both Yadi and Albert will be good to great managers is that both spent a great deal of their time over their last few years teaching. Both Dodger and Cardinal players talked about how Albert was willing to work with them and help them with their hitting. Pitchers raved about Yadi's work with them to make them better pitchers. They both have said they want to manage, both have spent hours talking with and assisting other players to be their best. Both spent time with LaRussa, and Yadi spent time with Duncan learning about pitching and statistics. Meanwhile both have managed, not in the minors, but with international teams. That is the beginning of a managerial career.

[Bomber1]

Albert and Yadi are my hero’s. Please don’t put them in position of manager when team is in a rebuild. It’s not fair to their legacy.

Also great players are sometimes the worst coaches. Their expectations are based on their own exceptional level of talent. This can place to high of expectations on good to average players. Of course this is my opinion.

Neither Pujols nor Molina will be the Cardinals manager in 2026. That honor goes to Marmol. Bloom has already confirmed Marmol for 2026.

To my knowledge all Bloom has said about Marmol’s return is:
Nothing.
He hasn’t “confirmed Marmol”.
In fact he hasn’t said anything publicly.
When Marmol wasn’t canned on October 1 everyone just assumed Marmol would be back in 2026.
I still have hope that he’ll be sent packing after the WS ends.
All that said, I don’t want Molina nor Pujols to manage this team.

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pujols,waino etc who are mentioned here have no experience and the fact is most of the bigger names players have been poor managers...in most cases successful managers have been like larussa and so many others marginal players who didnt have the great talent and had to try to enhance their talents with cerebral abilities..hitting 700 homers has absolutely nothing to do with managing

I think it’s because the players are aggressively wanting to manage. Many assume that they are gazillionaires who never need to work again. Both Yadi and Albert have stated that baseball is all they know and they want to stay in the game. They have a work ethic and miss competing and being involved. That’s a good thing. I’m offended when I read that they are “toxic”. They are among the best players who ever played. They are not “toxic”

Why would Albert want to commit to being away from his Dominican tv personality wife eight months out of the year to come to STL to manage a franchise through a loss-heavy rebuild?

good observation....

if he wants to manage, there are better jobs than stl

[Galatians221jb1]

pujols,waino etc who are mentioned here have no experience and the fact is most of the bigger names players have been poor managers...in most cases successful managers have been like larussa and so many others marginal players who didnt have the great talent and had to try to enhance their talents with cerebral abilities..hitting 700 homers has absolutely nothing to do with managing

I think it’s because the players are aggressively wanting to manage. Many assume that they are gazillionaires who never need to work again. Both Yadi and Albert have stated that baseball is all they know and they want to stay in the game. They have a work ethic and miss competing and being involved. That’s a good thing. I’m offended when I read that they are “toxic”. They are among the best players who ever played. They are not “toxic”

Why would Albert want to commit to being away from his Dominican tv personality wife eight months out of the year to come to STL to manage a franchise through a loss-heavy rebuild?

good observation....

if he wants to manage, there are better jobs than stl

I read last week that the Angels had to fly into St. Louis to interview Albert because this is his home. (St. Louis)

[Midrange Jay]

Fans are starved for star players on the roster, so they are pining for some in management.

[Bob39]

No doubt Albert, Yadi, and Waino are very baseball smart but then again so are a lot of people. I mean it's baseball not nuclear engineering. A lot of being a great manager is understanding people and getting the best out of them. Maybe the compulsive obsession it takes to be a truly all time great does not mesh well with being a people person. Maybe the ego that the great ones in any field usually have does not go well with being questioned by a 28 year old reporter at KMOV about why you pulled McGreavy in the sixth.

The abilities of the three above mentioned people in playing baseball don't tell us much about what kind of managers they would be other than the fact that they would have instant credibility with the players, at least for a while. Playing and managing are two very different skill sets.

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pujols,waino etc who are mentioned here have no experience and the fact is most of the bigger names players have been poor managers...in most cases successful managers have been like larussa and so many others marginal players who didnt have the great talent and had to try to enhance their talents with cerebral abilities..hitting 700 homers has absolutely nothing to do with managing

I think it’s because the players are aggressively wanting to manage. Many assume that they are gazillionaires who never need to work again. Both Yadi and Albert have stated that baseball is all they know and they want to stay in the game. They have a work ethic and miss competing and being involved. That’s a good thing. I’m offended when I read that they are “toxic”. They are among the best players who ever played. They are not “toxic”

Why would Albert want to commit to being away from his Dominican tv personality wife eight months out of the year to come to STL to manage a franchise through a loss-heavy rebuild?

good observation....

if he wants to manage, there are better jobs than stl

I read last week that the Angels had to fly into St. Louis to interview Albert because this is his home. (St. Louis)

Another contributor on the board says he lives in Puerto Rico

Nevertheless….I look at things from an organizational perspective… not geographical

I think there are better organizations….

STL has

Fiscally conservative owner

POBO new to the job

A minor league system in a rebuild

A poor MLB roster in flux

He can do better..

[Galatians221jb1]

No doubt Albert, Yadi, and Waino are very baseball smart but then again so are a lot of people. I mean it's baseball not nuclear engineering. A lot of being a great manager is understanding people and getting the best out of them. Maybe the compulsive obsession it takes to be a truly all time great does not mesh well with being a people person. Maybe the ego that the great ones in any field usually have does not go well with being questioned by a 28 year old reporter at KMOV about why you pulled McGreavy in the sixth.

The abilities of the three above mentioned people in playing baseball don't tell us much about what kind of managers they would be other than the fact that they would have instant credibility with the players, at least for a while. Playing and managing are two very different skill sets.

If I was a young player, I’d rather learn about hitting from Pujols than Brant Brown. If I’m a pitcher, I’d rather learn from Yadi than from what’s his name.

[Absolut]

To be fair. In Pujols and Yadis case not only were they super talented but they were also incredibly smart players that didn’t just succeed on talent alone. They knew the game in and out and Yadi basically ran the pitching staff for the duration of his career. Even as a field manager he just knew exactly what was going on at all times. I’m I advocating for them? No. But it’s naive to say they don’t have managerial talent in them just because they were awesome players


Waino was just a dumb idea from a very dumb person. Nothing more

Good points on Albert and Yadi. I'm very curious to see how it goes for Pujols. I don't doubt that either can have valuable roles on an mlb staff, but I lean towards Pujols being the one more likely to be a success as a manager. Yadi to me seems cut out more for a pitching coach role, or any role other than the being the main guy. Pujols seems more like the guy that can create good vibes all around, and towards the media as well. I think on the 2022 roster there was an intangible in play of all those young players on the roster (Donovan, Nootbaar, Edman, etc) wanting to pull a little harder for Pujols. I think he will get that out of whatever team he manages. He commands respect, silently, and he is a humble leader. I also think he can see things in players that they don't see in themselves.

Time will tell when it comes to the strategy part. Although, I think that's an interesting part because as much as fans pitter patter about Oli or any other manager in the game, I don't think anyone knows for sure whether what they are complaining about was the manager's decision or something ordered down from the front office...

Edmonds is the one I'd really like to see get a chance to manage. He is extremely bright regarding baseball. I feel he would be an outstanding communicator. And would be fine with the press. And, like I indicated, he wouldn't tolerate poor play.

He’d be too busy talking about his kids, bringing his kids to the clubhouse and giggling. It would be NC and jordan Hudson

[RamFan08NY]

pujols,waino etc who are mentioned here have no experience and the fact is most of the bigger names players have been poor managers...in most cases successful managers have been like larussa and so many others marginal players who didnt have the great talent and had to try to enhance their talents with cerebral abilities..hitting 700 homers has absolutely nothing to do with managing

Being a leader of men is both a learned and human behavior. I’d say being an astute catcher would give Yadi 50 million moments seeing the field as a manager does. I’d bet Yadi has the greater vision. As to total success, lot of that is in the performance of the players.

I agree with Yadi. He's also managed a bit, but i think he'll be a good manager some day because of his knowledge of pitching. He was basically a 2nd pitching coach for years.

[jbrach]

manager in baseball is the most overrated of any in sports...a pro football coach is literally worth as much as a star player...a bill bellichek etc is invaluable...on the other hand if dave roberts was to have managed the cards this year my guess is the cards would have had the exact same record...this manager talk is all about a name to draw fans to the ballpark initially but the truth is it makes little to any difference except on the margins

[ramfandan]

manager in baseball is the most overrated of any in sports...a pro football coach is literally worth as much as a star player...a bill bellichek etc is invaluable...on the other hand if dave roberts was to have managed the cards this year my guess is the cards would have had the exact same record...this manager talk is all about a name to draw fans to the ballpark initially but the truth is it makes little to any difference except on the margins

In NFL , a good coach usually has a top QB .. Belichek wasn't much of a coach in Cleveland long ago .. was a very winning coach when he had Tom Brady at the helm ..the GOAT some claim... then Brady retires and Belichick doesn't look so hot eventually gets fired by the owner as the team no longer outstanding.

A coach needs the talent to look good. Another example.. Nick Saban went from college to NFL coaching the Miami Dolphins .. didn't live up the hype and left there to return to college getting Alabama job. Recruited the top HS players in the country year in and out and build a powerhouse. So was great with top talent and was so so with mediocre talent in Miami with NFL .

[jbrach]

great NFL coaches go from team to team and win...mike holmgren coached the packers with Brett Favre and won a super bowl and then went to Seattle and went to the super bowl with a no name QB..Bill parcels went from team to team and transformed teams into winner over and over...football is a far more complicated game to coach...more players, more compartmentalized with several assistant coaches etc... again, I say with confidence if dave roberts managed the cards this year they would have had the same results...managers are of little importance...obviously a horrible manager is not good but there are so many examples of managers who go years with bad teams and go to a talent laden team and all of a sudden are geniuses...joe torre among so many others come to mind

[Ozziesfan41]

My guess is if you’re going to watch a bad manger manage they would prefer to watch a bad manager who they have fond memories of when he was a player. So they would prefer to watch pujols be a bad manger who they loved as a player than oli who manages badly and never did anything as a player. That’s my guess