Sell or hold

[Cardinals4Life]

LOL...Trade your best pitcher and your best power bat. Brilliant. Go back to the strato-matic and play the gm game. To win you don't subtract from the on field talent, you add to it. Get a pitcher that you can put beside Gray. You know, a 1-2 punch for the rotation that gives them a fighting chance. Trim Noot, possibly Arenado and maybe Donny. Get a big bat for left field and see what happens. Also, this bullpen has to be better, devote some serious dollars to it. My only problem with trading Arenado would be that Gorman really didn't look good at the corner when I saw him. Donny doesn't have the power for 3rd base so who does that leave? The philosophy that mitch loves is to trade everyone away and play AAA players. A sure recipe for disaster. Scott and Walker should get better. If they don't....well...you probably are going to have a hole then. Burleson should be DH, especially against righty's. Herrera belongs behind the plate and could DH against tough lefty's that Burleson can't hit well. Ideally they would sign a big bat for left field that could take pressure off of Walker, Scott and Gorman. The usual formula is to have power at the corners and defense up the middle. We have the defense but are sorely lacking in the power dept. But....without a pitching upgrade it won't really matter.

Mostly agree, CCard.

Keep Gray. Add a top pitcher via FA to pair with him. Follow that with Liberatore and McGreevy and make a trade for a #3 type arm.

Start Walker in AAA and let him find some success before coming back up. If that takes all year, so be it.

Trade Nado (time to move on). Trade Noot. Donovan, maybe? Good player, but maybe he can help us get that #3 pitcher.

Gorman, in my opinion, doesn’t have what it takes.
Go sign Eugenio Suarez.

Leave Winn, Scott and add JJW up the middle, with Herrera behind the dish.

Go get a thumper for corner OF.

Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Contreras 1B
Suarez 3B
Corner OFer???
Burleson DH
Winn SS
Church RF
Scott CF

I hear you on Arenado, I just don't know that even after his decline that the Cards have a better option at third. If you're trying to win then he's plays third unless you get a substantial offer for him. As for Donovan, he's a good player but is redundant with Saggese, I think. So it depends on what you can get. I think it's still a little early to give up on Gorman, he showed so much promise at one time. Maybe he turns a corner? I'd give him another year to produce. Walker? I think you got to start him in right and see what he can do to improve. If he's (bleep) the bed by the all-star break then send him down. He just has too much promise and nothing really to prove in AAA. One thing we whole-heartedly agree on is they need more premium pitching. Until that happens they're just going through the motions.

He has never excelled at AAA. I think Mo rushed him here too soon to generate some needed hype and he is nowhere near MLB ready. Not his fault, but they've screwed his development

[CCard]

LOL...Trade your best pitcher and your best power bat. Brilliant. Go back to the strato-matic and play the gm game. To win you don't subtract from the on field talent, you add to it. Get a pitcher that you can put beside Gray. You know, a 1-2 punch for the rotation that gives them a fighting chance. Trim Noot, possibly Arenado and maybe Donny. Get a big bat for left field and see what happens. Also, this bullpen has to be better, devote some serious dollars to it. My only problem with trading Arenado would be that Gorman really didn't look good at the corner when I saw him. Donny doesn't have the power for 3rd base so who does that leave? The philosophy that mitch loves is to trade everyone away and play AAA players. A sure recipe for disaster. Scott and Walker should get better. If they don't....well...you probably are going to have a hole then. Burleson should be DH, especially against righty's. Herrera belongs behind the plate and could DH against tough lefty's that Burleson can't hit well. Ideally they would sign a big bat for left field that could take pressure off of Walker, Scott and Gorman. The usual formula is to have power at the corners and defense up the middle. We have the defense but are sorely lacking in the power dept. But....without a pitching upgrade it won't really matter.

Mostly agree, CCard.

Keep Gray. Add a top pitcher via FA to pair with him. Follow that with Liberatore and McGreevy and make a trade for a #3 type arm.

Start Walker in AAA and let him find some success before coming back up. If that takes all year, so be it.

Trade Nado (time to move on). Trade Noot. Donovan, maybe? Good player, but maybe he can help us get that #3 pitcher.

Gorman, in my opinion, doesn’t have what it takes.
Go sign Eugenio Suarez.

Leave Winn, Scott and add JJW up the middle, with Herrera behind the dish.

Go get a thumper for corner OF.

Wetherholt 2B
Herrera C
Contreras 1B
Suarez 3B
Corner OFer???
Burleson DH
Winn SS
Church RF
Scott CF

I hear you on Arenado, I just don't know that even after his decline that the Cards have a better option at third. If you're trying to win then he's plays third unless you get a substantial offer for him. As for Donovan, he's a good player but is redundant with Saggese, I think. So it depends on what you can get. I think it's still a little early to give up on Gorman, he showed so much promise at one time. Maybe he turns a corner? I'd give him another year to produce. Walker? I think you got to start him in right and see what he can do to improve. If he's (bleep) the bed by the all-star break then send him down. He just has too much promise and nothing really to prove in AAA. One thing we whole-heartedly agree on is they need more premium pitching. Until that happens they're just going through the motions.

He has never excelled at AAA. I think Mo rushed him here too soon to generate some needed hype and he is nowhere near MLB ready. Not his fault, but they've screwed his development

Possibly. And then again maybe he just doesn't have what it takes. I don't know but I do think he should get another year. At least until the all-star break to see if he can adjust. Really, what's the alternative?

[CCard]

1. It takes two to dance. What "prospects" do you think you can get? Especially with those contracts. No team is going to give up premium prospects when they can sign their own free agents and keep their young cheap talent.

That's why the Cardinals should use the 2026 payroll to eat most of what is left on Gray's, Arenado's, Contreras', etc. contracts instead of spending it on other FAs this offseason.

2. You pays your money and you takes your chances. Some contracts pan out some don't. The fact is at least you try to win. You can't seem to understand that concept.

I understand they are in no position to win in 2026 anyway, so trying to spend money now to do so is pointless.

3. Tanking is an anathema to baseball and it's fans. It should be avoided at all costs. It bastardizes the game into the haves and have nots just as much as free agency. Free agency is a players right though and tanking is an owners attempt at cheaping the fans for profit.

Blah, blah, blah.

4. Lastly, and I've explained this over and over, there is no guarantee that a team will even make the playoffs, let alone become some fabled juggernaut, by doing this rebuild (tank). You only set yourself and fans up for constant losing and non-competive teams by doing it. The answer lies in-between as most things usually do. You need to draft and develop young players, it's true, but you also need talent and the best way to get it without severe losing is through free agency.

And they need to spend AFTER they know they've drafted and developed the young talent necessary to potentially be competitive, not before.

There are so many factors in play and you simply can't do things that way. Maybe you get a good deal on a free agent this year but not next year. Maybe a guy you drafted is playing well and then goes off a cliff. Maybe he gets hurt. Maybe multiple players get hurt or are just sub par. How long you gonna go down that road of screwing your fans? You willing to suffer through 5 years just to get a sniff? How about a decade? Ask Pittsburgh, Cincy, Miami etc. This game is a game for top talent to showcase. AAA is for learning. AA is for learning. Here in the bigs is where the fans pay to see top talent play. Good drafting is great but it's no guarantee of success. You absolutely need top free agent talent. Not only does it play but young guys learn from the exposure.

[rockondlouie]

He has never excelled at AAA. I think Mo rushed him here too soon to generate some needed hype and he is nowhere near MLB ready. Not his fault, but they've screwed his development

The good news C4L is at only 23/24 yrs old in 2026 season J. Walker could easily spend the entire season at Memphis where he'd now be under C. Bloom's renowned player development system w/quality instructors and cutting edge technology that could give him the best shot at saving his career!

But it's up to Walker to accept what they tell him to do and then implement it.

If he does and it works, then you still have a 24/25 yr old w/a long career ahead of him.

[kscardsfan]

Arenado - Keep - Unless you get a really good offer. He still is one of the best in the game defensively at 3rd. Watching his D is one of the bright spots.
Gray - Keep - Pretty much the same as with NA. At least until before the td. Some team may need a 2-3 starter for their playoff run.
Winn - Keep - Best talent of the lineup left from last year.
Herrera - Keep- So much potential in that bat. Maybe even as a Catcher. Blast away but that is a way to open another spot for a hitter. They have no other Catcher that comes close to him offensively.
Walker - Keep - He still has a little time to turn it around in my world. One year leash.


Contreras - Sell - He is your shot to get some serious return.
Donovan - Sell - This one hurts. But timing is right. The return should be healthy.
Burleson -Sell - Get him outta here as fast as you can. He has decent value right now. I fear that won't last.
Gorman - Sell. Any way you can. Throw in.

Pages/ Pozo/ - Sell

That leaves Noot. - Get rid of him any way you can.

Gray - Keep - Pretty much the same as with NA. At least until before the td. Some team may need a 2-3 starter for their playoff run.
Libby - Keep
McGreevy - Keep
Pallante - Sell if you can. Otherwise Oli will keep starting him.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Gray - sell - Eat some salary if necessary to maximized getting prospect value back from a team looking to contend in 2026.
Arenado - sell - Same
Contreras - sell - Same

Donovan - sell - At least shop him to sell what teams are willing to give. More valuable to a contender than to the Cardinals in 2026 (and probably 2027).
Pages/Crooks - sell - Shop one of the catchers with Bernal and Rodriguez coming.

Winn - hold - Offer a longer term extension to try to lock him up through age 30.
Burleson - hold - Needs to find a home at 1B if Contreras is moved. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (4 yrs./$18 million, $4.5M AAV).
Herrera - hold - May not find a position, but his bat is interesting enough as a DH to keep. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (5 yrs./$25 million, $5M AAV).

Nootbaar - hold - Coming off his worst ML season, it would probably be selling low to move him this offseason. Give him a chance to reestablish himself in 2026 before making a decision.
Walker - hold - Same
Gorman - hold- Same

OK. Curious if that extension to Burleson is a realistic offer. No idea what a guy with his time in and performance commands in ARB.

Also on Contreras I'm OK dealing him but not eating salary. Shouldn't have to.

[ecleme22]

1. It takes two to dance. What "prospects" do you think you can get? Especially with those contracts. No team is going to give up premium prospects when they can sign their own free agents and keep their young cheap talent.

That's why the Cardinals should use the 2026 payroll to eat most of what is left on Gray's, Arenado's, Contreras', etc. contracts instead of spending it on other FAs this offseason.

2. You pays your money and you takes your chances. Some contracts pan out some don't. The fact is at least you try to win. You can't seem to understand that concept.

I understand they are in no position to win in 2026 anyway, so trying to spend money now to do so is pointless.

3. Tanking is an anathema to baseball and it's fans. It should be avoided at all costs. It bastardizes the game into the haves and have nots just as much as free agency. Free agency is a players right though and tanking is an owners attempt at cheaping the fans for profit.

Blah, blah, blah.

4. Lastly, and I've explained this over and over, there is no guarantee that a team will even make the playoffs, let alone become some fabled juggernaut, by doing this rebuild (tank). You only set yourself and fans up for constant losing and non-competive teams by doing it. The answer lies in-between as most things usually do. You need to draft and develop young players, it's true, but you also need talent and the best way to get it without severe losing is through free agency.

And they need to spend AFTER they know they've drafted and developed the young talent necessary to potentially be competitive, not before.

There are so many factors in play and you simply can't do things that way. Maybe you get a good deal on a free agent this year but not next year. Maybe a guy you drafted is playing well and then goes off a cliff. Maybe he gets hurt. Maybe multiple players get hurt or are just sub par. How long you gonna go down that road of screwing your fans? You willing to suffer through 5 years just to get a sniff? How about a decade? Ask Pittsburgh, Cincy, Miami etc. This game is a game for top talent to showcase. AAA is for learning. AA is for learning. Here in the bigs is where the fans pay to see top talent play. Good drafting is great but it's no guarantee of success. You absolutely need top free agent talent. Not only does it play but young guys learn from the exposure.

You’ve been warped by watching Mozeliak the last decade.

No offense, but it’s kind of pathetic that Bloom has been on the job two minutes and the idea him trading SG and NA is putting you in a panic.

Can the org just rebuild for like 6 months without being labeled the pirates?

Jeez, dude.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Gray - sell - Eat some salary if necessary to maximized getting prospect value back from a team looking to contend in 2026.
Arenado - sell - Same
Contreras - sell - Same

Donovan - sell - At least shop him to sell what teams are willing to give. More valuable to a contender than to the Cardinals in 2026 (and probably 2027).
Pages/Crooks - sell - Shop one of the catchers with Bernal and Rodriguez coming.

Winn - hold - Offer a longer term extension to try to lock him up through age 30.
Burleson - hold - Needs to find a home at 1B if Contreras is moved. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (4 yrs./$18 million, $4.5M AAV).
Herrera - hold - May not find a position, but his bat is interesting enough as a DH to keep. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (5 yrs./$25 million, $5M AAV).

Nootbaar - hold - Coming off his worst ML season, it would probably be selling low to move him this offseason. Give him a chance to reestablish himself in 2026 before making a decision.
Walker - hold - Same
Gorman - hold- Same

OK. Curious if that extension to Burleson is a realistic offer. No idea what a guy with his time in and performance commands in ARB.

Also on Contreras I'm OK dealing him but not eating salary. Shouldn't have to.

I think you are right. They shouldn't have to eat money to move Contreras if the goal is just to shed the money and open a spot. They may have to absorb some of the contract in order to get a better prospect.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Gray - sell - Eat some salary if necessary to maximized getting prospect value back from a team looking to contend in 2026.
Arenado - sell - Same
Contreras - sell - Same

Donovan - sell - At least shop him to sell what teams are willing to give. More valuable to a contender than to the Cardinals in 2026 (and probably 2027).
Pages/Crooks - sell - Shop one of the catchers with Bernal and Rodriguez coming.

Winn - hold - Offer a longer term extension to try to lock him up through age 30.
Burleson - hold - Needs to find a home at 1B if Contreras is moved. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (4 yrs./$18 million, $4.5M AAV).
Herrera - hold - May not find a position, but his bat is interesting enough as a DH to keep. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (5 yrs./$25 million, $5M AAV).

Nootbaar - hold - Coming off his worst ML season, it would probably be selling low to move him this offseason. Give him a chance to reestablish himself in 2026 before making a decision.
Walker - hold - Same
Gorman - hold- Same

OK. Curious if that extension to Burleson is a realistic offer. No idea what a guy with his time in and performance commands in ARB.

Also on Contreras I'm OK dealing him but not eating salary. Shouldn't have to.

I think you are right. They shouldn't have to eat money to move Contreras if the goal is just to shed the money and open a spot. They may have to absorb some of the contract in order to get a better prospect.

I think that is fair. If he was still a catcher he would have plus value but as a 1B he is about market rate.

[ICCFIM2]

Goold's chat today was both long and very convoluted in terms of the many directions the Cards could go.

He was adamant that Walker would not be sent down. He will either succeed or fail at the big league level.

The Cards will as indicated push hard to trade Arenado and Gray. He seemed to feel that Gray had real trade value and the team option formed a pivot point to increase that value.

They will listen to offers on Donovan and Burleson but will need to be blown away.

Based on the interview a few days ago with Bloom, he is clearly focused on fixing the pitching holes in the organization. We obviously have holes in the OF. Maybe we get lucky and get a high draft pick this year that gives us a fast rising OF slugger. We can hope.

I am guessing Bloom makes 4-5 trades this offseason and there will be some surprises. If he can come out of the offseason with a good OF prospect and a SP prospect that has #2/#3 near ML ready potential, it should probably be considered a good offseason. I am guessing they will get several more back of the rotation/BP arms for a couple other pieces moved, including Arenado and Gray. Goold was more optimistic about the return for Gray. He seemed to think a #3 type SP prospect that was 2 years away was possible.

If they can come out of 2026 and have the needs down to 1 SP, 1 OF/MOTOB and 2 RP to be a playoff contender, in 2027 then 2026 was an overwhelming success.

[mattmitchl44]

Goold's chat today was both long and very convoluted in terms of the many directions the Cards could go.

He was adamant that Walker would not be sent down. He will either succeed or fail at the big league level.

The Cards will as indicated push hard to trade Arenado and Gray. He seemed to feel that Gray had real trade value and the team option formed a pivot point to increase that value.

They will listen to offers on Donovan and Burleson but will need to be blown away.

Based on the interview a few days ago with Bloom, he is clearly focused on fixing the pitching holes in the organization. We obviously have holes in the OF. Maybe we get lucky and get a high draft pick this year that gives us a fast rising OF slugger. We can hope.

I am guessing Bloom makes 4-5 trades this offseason and there will be some surprises. If he can come out of the offseason with a good OF prospect and a SP prospect that has #2/#3 near ML ready potential, it should probably be considered a good offseason. I am guessing they will get several more back of the rotation/BP arms for a couple other pieces moved, including Arenado and Gray. Goold was more optimistic about the return for Gray. He seemed to think a #3 type SP prospect that was 2 years away was possible.

If they can come out of 2026 and have the needs down to 1 SP, 1 OF/MOTOB and 2 RP to be a playoff contender, in 2027 then 2026 was an overwhelming success.

It makes sense.

If the team were in a place where Walker and Gorman had realized what people thought their potential was and were 3, 4, 5 fWAR players and Liberatore was looking like a #2 SP, there would be an entirely different conversation about this team. If those things were true they'd be looking at adding instead of rebuilding right now.

Maybe Wetherholt is one of those young 3, 4, 5 fWAR players in a couple of years, and maybe Doyle is that young #1/#2 SP they need. So focusing on adding another SP prospect with #2/#3 potential and a position player prosect with 3, 4, 5 fWAR potential would help to fill in the gaps.

[ecleme22]

Goold's chat today was both long and very convoluted in terms of the many directions the Cards could go.

He was adamant that Walker would not be sent down. He will either succeed or fail at the big league level.

The Cards will as indicated push hard to trade Arenado and Gray. He seemed to feel that Gray had real trade value and the team option formed a pivot point to increase that value.

They will listen to offers on Donovan and Burleson but will need to be blown away.

Based on the interview a few days ago with Bloom, he is clearly focused on fixing the pitching holes in the organization. We obviously have holes in the OF. Maybe we get lucky and get a high draft pick this year that gives us a fast rising OF slugger. We can hope.

I am guessing Bloom makes 4-5 trades this offseason and there will be some surprises. If he can come out of the offseason with a good OF prospect and a SP prospect that has #2/#3 near ML ready potential, it should probably be considered a good offseason. I am guessing they will get several more back of the rotation/BP arms for a couple other pieces moved, including Arenado and Gray. Goold was more optimistic about the return for Gray. He seemed to think a #3 type SP prospect that was 2 years away was possible.

If they can come out of 2026 and have the needs down to 1 SP, 1 OF/MOTOB and 2 RP to be a playoff contender, in 2027 then 2026 was an overwhelming success.

It makes sense.

If the team were in a place where Walker and Gorman had realized what people thought their potential was and were 3, 4, 5 fWAR players and Liberatore was looking like a #2 SP, there would be an entirely different conversation about this team. If those things were true they'd be looking at adding instead of rebuilding right now.

Maybe Wetherholt is one of those young 3, 4, 5 fWAR players in a couple of years, and maybe Doyle is that young #1/#2 SP they need. So focusing on adding another SP prospect with #2/#3 potential and a position player prosect with 3, 4, 5 fWAR potential would help to fill in the gaps.

As it stands now, it’s not even that crazy of a rebuild.

It’s trimming fat from the mlb roster and continuing to add and nurture young players.

And I can’t see the trimming of the fat portion going into 2027…

[ClassicO]

As others have noted -- you can't "sell" unless the market is there. Other than Gray, Winn, Contreras and Donovan, I don't see any of these players being bringing a lot on the market this offseason. And Winn, despite a weak bat, is not someone they can afford to trade.

I've heard Melville and others say they need to trade some of these for an "All-Star power hitter." Seriously?? Name such a trade!

Without actual trade suggestions/predictions, it's too simplistic just to suggest "trades." Ex: Trade Noot. For what? Another Drew Rom? No thanks.

There IS a market there. We should not be deceived about what that market is. For many of those mentioned, when we find out what the market is, they should be traded. It is time to re-shuffle the Cards.

Again -- what trades would you suggest in this market? I am just tired of the hue and cry to "trade our guys," without a smidgen of details on the return.
What do you reasonably think they can get BACK for guys like Nado, Burly, Noot?
Do you seriously think they could get back a power bat or a good starter? Who - and from whom?

[mattmitchl44]

Goold's chat today was both long and very convoluted in terms of the many directions the Cards could go.

He was adamant that Walker would not be sent down. He will either succeed or fail at the big league level.

The Cards will as indicated push hard to trade Arenado and Gray. He seemed to feel that Gray had real trade value and the team option formed a pivot point to increase that value.

They will listen to offers on Donovan and Burleson but will need to be blown away.

Based on the interview a few days ago with Bloom, he is clearly focused on fixing the pitching holes in the organization. We obviously have holes in the OF. Maybe we get lucky and get a high draft pick this year that gives us a fast rising OF slugger. We can hope.

I am guessing Bloom makes 4-5 trades this offseason and there will be some surprises. If he can come out of the offseason with a good OF prospect and a SP prospect that has #2/#3 near ML ready potential, it should probably be considered a good offseason. I am guessing they will get several more back of the rotation/BP arms for a couple other pieces moved, including Arenado and Gray. Goold was more optimistic about the return for Gray. He seemed to think a #3 type SP prospect that was 2 years away was possible.

If they can come out of 2026 and have the needs down to 1 SP, 1 OF/MOTOB and 2 RP to be a playoff contender, in 2027 then 2026 was an overwhelming success.

It makes sense.

If the team were in a place where Walker and Gorman had realized what people thought their potential was and were 3, 4, 5 fWAR players and Liberatore was looking like a #2 SP, there would be an entirely different conversation about this team. If those things were true they'd be looking at adding instead of rebuilding right now.

Maybe Wetherholt is one of those young 3, 4, 5 fWAR players in a couple of years, and maybe Doyle is that young #1/#2 SP they need. So focusing on adding another SP prospect with #2/#3 potential and a position player prosect with 3, 4, 5 fWAR potential would help to fill in the gaps.

As it stands now, it’s not even that crazy of a rebuild.

It’s trimming fat from the mlb roster and continuing to add and nurture young players.

And I can’t see the trimming of the fat portion going into 2027…

I think perhaps the most important thing is to be willing to drop the actual MLB roster payroll to $80 or $90 million, but to send $40-$50 million, or more, in present year money with Gray, Arenado, Contreras, etc. as leverage to get better prospects back.

[Goldfan]

As others have noted -- you can't "sell" unless the market is there. Other than Gray, Winn, Contreras and Donovan, I don't see any of these players being bringing a lot on the market this offseason. And Winn, despite a weak bat, is not someone they can afford to trade.

I've heard Melville and others say they need to trade some of these for an "All-Star power hitter." Seriously?? Name such a trade!

Without actual trade suggestions/predictions, it's too simplistic just to suggest "trades." Ex: Trade Noot. For what? Another Drew Rom? No thanks.

There IS a market there. We should not be deceived about what that market is. For many of those mentioned, when we find out what the market is, they should be traded. It is time to re-shuffle the Cards.

Again -- what trades would you suggest in this market? I am just tired of the hue and cry to "trade our guys," without a smidgen of details on the return.
What do you reasonably think they can get BACK for guys like Nado, Burly, Noot?
Do you seriously think they could get back a power bat or a good starter? Who - and from whom?

You get some prospects.
Noot is nothing
Nado is done and owed a chit ton of $$
Every org has a guy like Burly
Perhaps Donny brings an avg MLer back…..but what does that Do for you?
Gray is old and owed $$$…perhaps a big market needing the arm to put over the top….but he has record a choking in big markets….and where its hot
Contreras……perhaps Best possibility but again not a game changing return
And NO team wants or needs a combination of those

[Talkin' Baseball]

As others have noted -- you can't "sell" unless the market is there. Other than Gray, Winn, Contreras and Donovan, I don't see any of these players being bringing a lot on the market this offseason. And Winn, despite a weak bat, is not someone they can afford to trade.

I've heard Melville and others say they need to trade some of these for an "All-Star power hitter." Seriously?? Name such a trade!

Without actual trade suggestions/predictions, it's too simplistic just to suggest "trades." Ex: Trade Noot. For what? Another Drew Rom? No thanks.

There IS a market there. We should not be deceived about what that market is. For many of those mentioned, when we find out what the market is, they should be traded. It is time to re-shuffle the Cards.

Again -- what trades would you suggest in this market? I am just tired of the hue and cry to "trade our guys," without a smidgen of details on the return.
What do you reasonably think they can get BACK for guys like Nado, Burly, Noot?
Do you seriously think they could get back a power bat or a good starter? Who - and from whom?

You get some prospects.
Noot is nothing
Nado is done and owed a chit ton of $$
Every org has a guy like Burly
Perhaps Donny brings an avg MLer back…..but what does that Do for you?
Gray is old and owed $$$…perhaps a big market needing the arm to put over the top….but he has record a choking in big markets….and where its hot
Contreras……perhaps Best possibility but again not a game changing return
And NO team wants or needs a combination of those

I guess we're just doomed then. Sigh.