Sell or hold

[mattmitchl44]

Gray - sell - Eat some salary if necessary to maximized getting prospect value back from a team looking to contend in 2026.
Arenado - sell - Same
Contreras - sell - Same

Donovan - sell - At least shop him to sell what teams are willing to give. More valuable to a contender than to the Cardinals in 2026 (and probably 2027).
Pages/Crooks - sell - Shop one of the catchers with Bernal and Rodriguez coming.

Winn - hold - Offer a longer term extension to try to lock him up through age 30.
Burleson - hold - Needs to find a home at 1B if Contreras is moved. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (4 yrs./$18 million, $4.5M AAV).
Herrera - hold - May not find a position, but his bat is interesting enough as a DH to keep. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (5 yrs./$25 million, $5M AAV).

Nootbaar - hold - Coming off his worst ML season, it would probably be selling low to move him this offseason. Give him a chance to reestablish himself in 2026 before making a decision.
Walker - hold - Same
Gorman - hold- Same

[2ninr]

^^^^^^^

[rockondlouie]

Gray - Trade
NADO- Trade
Donovan - Trade (C. Bloom's best trade piece)
Pages/Pozo - Trade (toss in, no value as stand alone's)

Contreras - hold (possible midseason trade)
Winn - hold (no long term deal until after the 2026 season)
Burleson - hold (no extension)
Herrera - hold (if he stays healthy and has a good year, then lock him up w/an extension after the new CBA is ratified)
Noot - hold (needed if Walker starts at Memphis where he belongs, midseason trade candidate?)
VSII - hold
Crooks - hold until one of the better prospects is ready
Gorman - hold (IF NADO is dealt, then he's OD 3rd baseman. IF NADO is still here-unlikely-then DH)
Saggese - hold, possible secondary part in any trade

Walker - AAA

[Goldfan]

Gray - sell - Eat some salary if necessary to maximized getting prospect value back from a team looking to contend in 2026.
Arenado - sell - Same
Contreras - sell - Same

Donovan - sell - At least shop him to sell what teams are willing to give. More valuable to a contender than to the Cardinals in 2026 (and probably 2027).
Pages/Crooks - sell - Shop one of the catchers with Bernal and Rodriguez coming.

Winn - hold - Offer a longer term extension to try to lock him up through age 30.
Burleson - hold - Needs to find a home at 1B if Contreras is moved. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (4 yrs./$18 million, $4.5M AAV).
Herrera - hold - May not find a position, but his bat is interesting enough as a DH to keep. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (5 yrs./$25 million, $5M AAV).

Nootbaar - hold - Coming off his worst ML season, it would probably be selling low to move him this offseason. Give him a chance to reestablish himself in 2026 before making a decision.
Walker - hold - Same
Gorman - hold- Same

Bottom 3 need to go. Clean slate. You actually think you’re going to get production beyond what we’ve seen for YEARS??? Take out the trash

[Goldfan]

Gray - Trade
NADO- Trade
Donovan - Trade (C. Bloom's best trade piece)
Pages/Pozo - Trade (toss in, no value as stand alone's)

Contreras - hold (possible midseason trade)
Winn - hold (no long term deal until after the 2026 season)
Burleson - hold (no extension)
Herrera - hold (if he stays healthy and has a good year, then lock him up w/an extension after the new CBA is ratified)
Noot - hold (needed if Walker starts at Memphis where he belongs, midseason trade candidate?)
VSII - hold
Crooks - hold until one of the better prospects is ready
Gorman - hold (IF NADO is dealt, then he's OD 3rd baseman. IF NADO is still here-unlikely-then DH)
Saggese - hold, possible secondary part in any trade

Walker - AAA

Gorman, Walker, Noot should not be on the ML club. Suck the life out of the lineup. Call up a Kid, trade for a bat, just about any other option than watching those 3 underperform another year. Team need to stop with this “tryout philosophy” on the ML club…..HOPING that low talent somehow miraculously become a viable player. There is no upside here.

[rockondlouie]

Gray - Trade
NADO- Trade
Donovan - Trade (C. Bloom's best trade piece)
Pages/Pozo - Trade (toss in, no value as stand alone's)

Contreras - hold (possible midseason trade)
Winn - hold (no long term deal until after the 2026 season)
Burleson - hold (no extension)
Herrera - hold (if he stays healthy and has a good year, then lock him up w/an extension after the new CBA is ratified)
Noot - hold (needed if Walker starts at Memphis where he belongs, midseason trade candidate?)
VSII - hold
Crooks - hold until one of the better prospects is ready
Gorman - hold (IF NADO is dealt, then he's OD 3rd baseman. IF NADO is still here-unlikely-then DH)
Saggese - hold, possible secondary part in any trade

Walker - AAA

Gorman, Walker, Noot should not be on the ML club. Suck the life out of the lineup. Call up a Kid, trade for a bat, just about any other option than watching those 3 underperform another year. Team need to stop with this “tryout philosophy” on the ML club…..HOPING that low talent somehow miraculously become a viable player. There is no upside here.

-Walker absolutely needs to start at Memphis.

-Gorman will be here unless both NADO and Donny aren't dealt (highly unlikely), I see Gorman being the OD 3rd baseman.

I'm not an anti-Noot guy GF, just frustrated like everyone w/his inability to stay healthy.

Right now you're getting pennies on the dollar back in value for him if he's dealt (Walker has very little trade value, Gorman just a bit more).

If Noot gets off to a hot start, then he'd be a solid mid season trade candidate unless the Cardinals are surprising us and in the race for the NLC.

JMO

[Goldfan]

Gray - Trade
NADO- Trade
Donovan - Trade (C. Bloom's best trade piece)
Pages/Pozo - Trade (toss in, no value as stand alone's)

Contreras - hold (possible midseason trade)
Winn - hold (no long term deal until after the 2026 season)
Burleson - hold (no extension)
Herrera - hold (if he stays healthy and has a good year, then lock him up w/an extension after the new CBA is ratified)
Noot - hold (needed if Walker starts at Memphis where he belongs, midseason trade candidate?)
VSII - hold
Crooks - hold until one of the better prospects is ready
Gorman - hold (IF NADO is dealt, then he's OD 3rd baseman. IF NADO is still here-unlikely-then DH)
Saggese - hold, possible secondary part in any trade

Walker - AAA

Gorman, Walker, Noot should not be on the ML club. Suck the life out of the lineup. Call up a Kid, trade for a bat, just about any other option than watching those 3 underperform another year. Team need to stop with this “tryout philosophy” on the ML club…..HOPING that low talent somehow miraculously become a viable player. There is no upside here.

-Walker absolutely needs to start at Memphis.

-Gorman will be here unless both NADO and Donny aren't dealt (highly unlikely), I see Gorman being the OD 3rd baseman.

I'm not an anti-Noot guy GF, just frustrated like everyone w/his inability to stay healthy.

Right now you're getting pennies on the dollar back in value for him if he's dealt (Walker has very little trade value, Gorman just a bit more).

If Noot gets off to a hot start, then he'd be a solid mid season trade candidate unless the Cardinals are surprising us and in the race for the NLC.

JMO

I’m in the “turn the page” mode. Mo gone……and all his mistakes should be too. Again, theres no upside with those guys. Bring in fresh face

[JohnnyMO]

Gray - Trade
NADO- Trade
Donovan - Trade (C. Bloom's best trade piece)
Pages/Pozo - Trade (toss in, no value as stand alone's)

Contreras - hold (possible midseason trade)
Winn - hold (no long term deal until after the 2026 season)
Burleson - hold (no extension)
Herrera - hold (if he stays healthy and has a good year, then lock him up w/an extension after the new CBA is ratified)
Noot - hold (needed if Walker starts at Memphis where he belongs, midseason trade candidate?)
VSII - hold
Crooks - hold until one of the better prospects is ready
Gorman - hold (IF NADO is dealt, then he's OD 3rd baseman. IF NADO is still here-unlikely-then DH)
Saggese - hold, possible secondary part in any trade

Walker - AAA

Gorman, Walker, Noot should not be on the ML club. Suck the life out of the lineup. Call up a Kid, trade for a bat, just about any other option than watching those 3 underperform another year. Team need to stop with this “tryout philosophy” on the ML club…..HOPING that low talent somehow miraculously become a viable player. There is no upside here.

-Walker absolutely needs to start at Memphis.

-Gorman will be here unless both NADO and Donny aren't dealt (highly unlikely), I see Gorman being the OD 3rd baseman.

I'm not an anti-Noot guy GF, just frustrated like everyone w/his inability to stay healthy.

Right now you're getting pennies on the dollar back in value for him if he's dealt (Walker has very little trade value, Gorman just a bit more).

If Noot gets off to a hot start, then he'd be a solid mid season trade candidate unless the Cardinals are surprising us and in the race for the NLC.

JMO

I’m in the “turn the page” mode. Mo gone……and all his mistakes should be too. Again, theres no upside with those guys. Bring in fresh face

To say no upside on Walker is nuts at his age / experience. Gorman has done it before so we know he has upside. Noot is the only one a reasonable person could say lacks upside.

Do they need to be starting in the big leagues? Should they be traded? Those are questions worth debating. But upside is there.

[Hoosier59]

Gray - sell - Eat some salary if necessary to maximized getting prospect value back from a team looking to contend in 2026.

Arenado - sell - Same
Contreras - sell - Same

Agree with all of these. The Cardinals need pitching and a Right-handed hitting power bat.

Donovan - sell - At least shop him to sell what teams are willing to give. More valuable to a contender than to the Cardinals in 2026 (and probably 2027).

Disagree here! Donovan frees up Bloom to not be locked in on a particular position to acquire that power bat. Donovan could play infield, or outfield expending on what Bloom is able to acquire. Plus Donovan brings too many intangibles to the team, that a rebuilding club needs.

Pages/Crooks - sell - Shop one of the catchers with Bernal and Rodriguez coming.
Agree

Winn - hold - Offer a longer term extension to try to lock him up through age 30.
Burleson - hold - Needs to find a home at 1B if Contreras is moved. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (4 yrs./$18 million, $4.5M AAV).
Herrera - hold - May not find a position, but his bat is interesting enough as a DH to keep. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (5 yrs./$25 million, $5M AAV).
Agree
Nootbaar - hold - Coming off his worst ML season, it would probably be selling low to move him this offseason. Give him a chance to reestablish himself in 2026 before making a decision.
Disagree to extent, he might make a difference in a return package if placed with, say, Arenado or Contreras, or Gray in a trade.
Only way to keep him is if Walker does start in AAA, and no other outfielder is acquired. Church can’t be the only other option.

Walker - hold - Same
Agree
Gorman - hold- Same
Disagree, he's had his chances here and think he needs a new start somewhere else.

[ecleme22]

Gray - sell - Eat some salary if necessary to maximized getting prospect value back from a team looking to contend in 2026.
Arenado - sell - Same
Contreras - sell - Same

Donovan - sell - At least shop him to sell what teams are willing to give. More valuable to a contender than to the Cardinals in 2026 (and probably 2027).
Pages/Crooks - sell - Shop one of the catchers with Bernal and Rodriguez coming.

Winn - hold - Offer a longer term extension to try to lock him up through age 30.
Burleson - hold - Needs to find a home at 1B if Contreras is moved. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (4 yrs./$18 million, $4.5M AAV).
Herrera - hold - May not find a position, but his bat is interesting enough as a DH to keep. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (5 yrs./$25 million, $5M AAV).

Nootbaar - hold - Coming off his worst ML season, it would probably be selling low to move him this offseason. Give him a chance to reestablish himself in 2026 before making a decision.
Walker - hold - Same
Gorman - hold- Same

Burleson: listen to offers. Hell no don’t give him a contract.
Herrera: keep, but no contract….
Nootbar: listen to offers. Don’t be consumed with selling low. He’s a five year vet. Teams know what he is.
Pages/Crooks: see what happens. Unless you get a great offer, no reason to trade right away.

[Ozziesfan41]

Gray - sell - Eat some salary if necessary to maximized getting prospect value back from a team looking to contend in 2026.
Arenado - sell - Same
Contreras - sell - Same

Donovan - sell - At least shop him to sell what teams are willing to give. More valuable to a contender than to the Cardinals in 2026 (and probably 2027).
Pages/Crooks - sell - Shop one of the catchers with Bernal and Rodriguez coming.

Winn - hold - Offer a longer term extension to try to lock him up through age 30.
Burleson - hold - Needs to find a home at 1B if Contreras is moved. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (4 yrs./$18 million, $4.5M AAV).
Herrera - hold - May not find a position, but his bat is interesting enough as a DH to keep. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (5 yrs./$25 million, $5M AAV).

Nootbaar - hold - Coming off his worst ML season, it would probably be selling low to move him this offseason. Give him a chance to reestablish himself in 2026 before making a decision.
Walker - hold - Same
Gorman - hold- Same

Keeping noot Gorman and walker would be awful and show they are actively trying to lose on purpose and are trying to build around terrible players instead of trying to build around good players Gorman and noot need to be gone

[rockondlouie]

Gray - Trade
NADO- Trade
Donovan - Trade (C. Bloom's best trade piece)
Pages/Pozo - Trade (toss in, no value as stand alone's)

Contreras - hold (possible midseason trade)
Winn - hold (no long term deal until after the 2026 season)
Burleson - hold (no extension)
Herrera - hold (if he stays healthy and has a good year, then lock him up w/an extension after the new CBA is ratified)
Noot - hold (needed if Walker starts at Memphis where he belongs, midseason trade candidate?)
VSII - hold
Crooks - hold until one of the better prospects is ready
Gorman - hold (IF NADO is dealt, then he's OD 3rd baseman. IF NADO is still here-unlikely-then DH)
Saggese - hold, possible secondary part in any trade

Walker - AAA

Gorman, Walker, Noot should not be on the ML club. Suck the life out of the lineup. Call up a Kid, trade for a bat, just about any other option than watching those 3 underperform another year. Team need to stop with this “tryout philosophy” on the ML club…..HOPING that low talent somehow miraculously become a viable player. There is no upside here.

-Walker absolutely needs to start at Memphis.

-Gorman will be here unless both NADO and Donny aren't dealt (highly unlikely), I see Gorman being the OD 3rd baseman.

I'm not an anti-Noot guy GF, just frustrated like everyone w/his inability to stay healthy.

Right now you're getting pennies on the dollar back in value for him if he's dealt (Walker has very little trade value, Gorman just a bit more).

If Noot gets off to a hot start, then he'd be a solid mid season trade candidate unless the Cardinals are surprising us and in the race for the NLC.

JMO

I’m in the “turn the page” mode. Mo gone……and all his mistakes should be too. Again, theres no upside with those guys. Bring in fresh face

I'm 99% there on Walker, 50% there on Gorman & Noot.

IF BDWJr was going to spend money in 2026 and allow C. Bloom to add, then I'd love to see some new faces at 3rd base and in the OF too.

But unfortunately Dewitt isn't going to give Bloom much more than he did Mo in 2025 ($2M for Maton) and there's no 3rd baseman/OF'ers down below ready(JJW is going to 2nd base IMO).

[mattmitchl44]

Gray - Trade
NADO- Trade
Donovan - Trade (C. Bloom's best trade piece)
Pages/Pozo - Trade (toss in, no value as stand alone's)

Contreras - hold (possible midseason trade)
Winn - hold (no long term deal until after the 2026 season)
Burleson - hold (no extension)
Herrera - hold (if he stays healthy and has a good year, then lock him up w/an extension after the new CBA is ratified)
Noot - hold (needed if Walker starts at Memphis where he belongs, midseason trade candidate?)
VSII - hold
Crooks - hold until one of the better prospects is ready
Gorman - hold (IF NADO is dealt, then he's OD 3rd baseman. IF NADO is still here-unlikely-then DH)
Saggese - hold, possible secondary part in any trade

Walker - AAA

Gorman, Walker, Noot should not be on the ML club. Suck the life out of the lineup. Call up a Kid, trade for a bat, just about any other option than watching those 3 underperform another year. Team need to stop with this “tryout philosophy” on the ML club…..HOPING that low talent somehow miraculously become a viable player. There is no upside here.

-Walker absolutely needs to start at Memphis.

-Gorman will be here unless both NADO and Donny aren't dealt (highly unlikely), I see Gorman being the OD 3rd baseman.

I'm not an anti-Noot guy GF, just frustrated like everyone w/his inability to stay healthy.

Right now you're getting pennies on the dollar back in value for him if he's dealt (Walker has very little trade value, Gorman just a bit more).

If Noot gets off to a hot start, then he'd be a solid mid season trade candidate unless the Cardinals are surprising us and in the race for the NLC.

JMO

I’m in the “turn the page” mode. Mo gone……and all his mistakes should be too. Again, theres no upside with those guys. Bring in fresh face

To say no upside on Walker is nuts at his age / experience. Gorman has done it before so we know he has upside. Noot is the only one a reasonable person could say lacks upside.

Do they need to be starting in the big leagues? Should they be traded? Those are questions worth debating. But upside is there.

Yeah, in 2023:

Nootbaar (age 25), .261/.367/.418, 3.1 fWAR in 503 PA
Gorman (age 23), .236/.328/.478, 2.3 fWAR in 464 PA
Walker (age 21), .273/.342/.455, 1.0 fWAR in 465 PA (pulled down by his defense in RF)

They looked like three future starters for years.

They may not recapture that productivity, but to say there is "no upside" or "no rebound potential" is overstating it.

[82birds]

Gray - Trade
NADO- Trade
Donovan - Trade (C. Bloom's best trade piece)
Pages/Pozo - Trade (toss in, no value as stand alone's)

Contreras - hold (possible midseason trade)
Winn - hold (no long term deal until after the 2026 season)
Burleson - hold (no extension)
Herrera - hold (if he stays healthy and has a good year, then lock him up w/an extension after the new CBA is ratified)
Noot - hold (needed if Walker starts at Memphis where he belongs, midseason trade candidate?)
VSII - hold
Crooks - hold until one of the better prospects is ready
Gorman - hold (IF NADO is dealt, then he's OD 3rd baseman. IF NADO is still here-unlikely-then DH)
Saggese - hold, possible secondary part in any trade

Walker - AAA

Gorman, Walker, Noot should not be on the ML club. Suck the life out of the lineup. Call up a Kid, trade for a bat, just about any other option than watching those 3 underperform another year. Team need to stop with this “tryout philosophy” on the ML club…..HOPING that low talent somehow miraculously become a viable player. There is no upside here.

to sell you have to have a buyer.
who'd want them?

[Bomber1]

Gray - sell - Eat some salary if necessary to maximized getting prospect value back from a team looking to contend in 2026.
Arenado - sell - Same
Contreras - sell - Same

Donovan - sell - At least shop him to sell what teams are willing to give. More valuable to a contender than to the Cardinals in 2026 (and probably 2027).
Pages/Crooks - sell - Shop one of the catchers with Bernal and Rodriguez coming.

Winn - hold - Offer a longer term extension to try to lock him up through age 30.
Burleson - hold - Needs to find a home at 1B if Contreras is moved. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (4 yrs./$18 million, $4.5M AAV).
Herrera - hold - May not find a position, but his bat is interesting enough as a DH to keep. Could even offer him a low $ longer term extension (5 yrs./$25 million, $5M AAV).

Nootbaar - hold - Coming off his worst ML season, it would probably be selling low to move him this offseason. Give him a chance to reestablish himself in 2026 before making a decision.
Walker - hold - Same
Gorman - hold- Same

Nootbaar’s value is low because he sucks, not because he happened to have 1 bad season. Nootbaar made the decision easy after his horrid 2025.

Unbelievable that any Cardinal fans still believe that clown is a real corner outfielder.

[kyace]

Nootbaar has to go. Yes, this MAY be the year he stays healthy and becomes a star player. This is his appeal. However history has shown he is most likely to underperform or is hurt at the deadline like this past year. At that point come next off season he’s a possible non tender guy. If they can get a decent return they need to move him. Some team now will still dream on the potential and offer a decent return.
I think it has reached a point where it is in all best interest to move him.