So the San Diego writer finds out what happened in St. Louis with Shildt

[ICCFIM2]

Hogwash!

The San Diego writer was able to quote sources within Cards organization and Goold and Woo can’t?

Stop trying to cover up for local media softness and fear

In the article the reporter cited sources who were mainly with him in San Diego. He got six current and former members of the Cardinals for this article, but again, those people might feel a lot more comfortable talking to a 3 years after the fact that he left the organization, and after he was fired for basically the same thing. Especially the former ones. Maybe they didn't want to talk at the time. And they're still only talking anonymously.

+1000 I more or less just said the same thing based on my own experience. That is the way it works...

[Dicktar2023]

Well, Bernie did say basically this after it happened. Don't know why some are ripping him about it now. I remember talking about it here, because a lot of people reacted with stuff like, "oh, yea, he wasn't enough of a company guy, so Mo fired him."

As for why wasn't this reported on at the time. Well, in order to report on something, you need to do reporting. And it would be irresponsible for someone like Goold or Woo or whoever to make an accusation about Shildt without being able to back that up. The San Diego guy got 20 sources, even though they were anonymous, to back up his reporting. There's no guarantee that anyone within the Cardinals organization was willing to do that. They are a notoriously tight lipped organization, so this is not surprising. And without being about to cite sources, it's not reporting. These guys are reporters, not radio guys.

Bernie was able to say it because he wasn't a reporter at the time. Of course, people said he was a shill for management at the time for making up an accusation that somehow absolves Mo of firing a guy who was a good manager. And they probably would have done the same thing had Goold or Woo even reported it, because that's how people are.

I remember exactly what Bernie has said about this over the years, because it has irritated me every time I heard it, and was the start of me not being a fan of his. He said Mo fired Shildt because the manager was at odds with his coaches. He never said peep about Shildt being verbally abusive or that coaches were threatening to quit. I remember one article in particular that had a headline like "It's No Mystery Why Shildt Was Fired" where he then proceeded to say "we don't know the details, but there was tension with Shildt" 12 different ways over the course of 800 words. Nothing at all specific, no information that couldn't be guessed from the phrase "philosophical differences," but Bernie heavily insinuating in his smug way that he knew more.

He was as scared as anyone to break the Red Wall. But he's the only one trying to do a victory lap now.

[RunSup]

Bernie 100% reported it in his podcast a few years ago

Bernie reported that Shildt had gotten into a conflict with his coaches and that Mo had settled it. He said no more, except to make some snide references whenever he thought someone was being too hard on Mo for the firing.

Now he's acting like he was telling us all along Shildt was no good.

I think Bernie (and others) knew more and kept quiet, because that's the town we're in. Which is one way to be a journalist. But none of them get to take credit now that a real reporter did real reporting.

Bernie never said Shildt was an (donkey). If he's claiming that now he is false. I listened back then. Not so much these days.

It was widely reported across StL media that Mo and Shildt had a conflict and irreconcilable differences.

The sense I got was that Shildt called out Mo out with explicitives on the decline of the development org. Shildt also didn't like Mo dictating his coaching staff (e.g. Albert, and the softball coach).

Shildt understood the traditional Cardinal Way. Helped write that bible of fundamentals. Not a stat/analytics guy. Shildt was made Cardinal manager to restore focus on fundamentals after Matheny.

I expect Shildt clashed with analytics based coaches. Grumpy old SOB who communicated with colorful language not for sensitive ears or feelings.

If Shildt was an (donkey), Mo was a bigger (donkey). Anybody in STL media who claims they clearly reported what happened when he was fired is also an (donkey). Bernie included.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

+1000 I more or less just said the same thing based on my own experience. That is the way it works...

It’s not as satisfying as “the media is soft and afraid to do actual reporting,” but again, I don’t think people really understand how these things work. And I’m not an expert by any means. I definitely don’t know I’m correct, but I am not as confident some who want to boil it down to one simple thing because it is satisfying to them.

[hmoss859]

Tight lipped organization sounds more like a fascist run organization to me

One caught cheating with HackGate

LOL

[RobbieRe]

And why are we to believe the San Diego writer about Shildt, and even if the hitting coach left on his own terms, where did the multi-year package that was going to be be offered him come from?

[hmoss859]

The Red Wall is Alive and well in the 314

The Red Wall at work

[Carp4Cy]

The Red Wall is Alive and well in the 314

The Red Wall at work

Red is the opposite of facist. Make up your mind...

[JaseMan]

Bernie 100% reported it in his podcast a few years ago

I don't remember him saying Mikey was a horse's (bleep) and that those below him hated working for him but maybe I'm mis-remembering ?

I remember him saying something along the lines we was screaming at people.

[hmoss859]

https://icons8.com/icon/12626/poo

[ICCFIM2]

Lets also remember that Shildt was the manager that decided he did not like Randy Arozarena and never played the guy supposedly because of his defense while he was playing Jose Martinez in the OF in his stead. The video might have been annoying, but it should not have ended his tenure with the team. While Arozarena never turned into a superstar. He has been a better OF than almost any of the OFs the team has produced since his departure.

I am certain we will never hear the truth about whether MO traded Arozarena because of Shildt, or at least not until Liberatore leaves the Cardinals. MO probably had a list of things that Shildt did over his tenure that justified firing him. Given the grief he took over the Arozarena trade, that probably was high on the list if in fact Shildt forced his hand with Arozarena.

[JuanAgosto]

Shildt an unhinged hardass? Who knew? That post game outburst in Atlanta may have been common for him. Maybe why Arozarena was filming. What i cant understand is how did he intimidate anyone with those chicken arms? Badass Shildty

[Goldfan]

Perhaps Schildty didn’t like his coaches……and wanted different coaches
There was time when the manager chose his coaching staff…..were Mike’s coaches here chosen for him?

[renostl]

+1000 I more or less just said the same thing based on my own experience. That is the way it works...

It’s not as satisfying as “the media is soft and afraid to do actual reporting,” but again, I don’t think people really understand how these things work. And I’m not an expert by any means. I definitely don’t know I’m correct, but I am not as confident some who want to boil it down to one simple thing because it is satisfying to them.

A portion of the fanbase wouldn't have believed any
story suggesting that MO was just in letting Shildt go
even with audio and video.

The outrage in thread becomes comical.

A fired employee has rights. They also have the right to move on and get a fresh start especially if no harm was done, no laws were broken. IMO, I found it best to take the higher road in such circumstances and classless to ridicule people publicly in this case the press. Who here would want that IF they were Mike? What is gained?

It's also why HR departments simply only say that a past employee is eligible or ineligible for rehire.

[rockondlouie]

Bernie 100% reported it in his podcast a few years ago

+1

He also reported that the final straw was Shildt "demanding" Mo trade for or sign the players he wanted (not a bad idea given Mo's ineptness but not something you do to your BOSS).

[Goldfan]

Bernie 100% reported it in his podcast a few years ago

+1

He also reported that the final straw was Shildt "demanding" Mo trade for or sign the players he wanted (not a bad idea given Mo's ineptness but not something you do to your BOSS).

I wonder if TLR ever hurt anyone’s feelings or wanted his own players?? Sorry, but I’m old school…..if the manager is being an (bleep) then leave or perhaps the manager should choose his own staff and not have it dictated by the POBO. Now if Schildty is some unhinged lunatic thats a different story…..very curious what level of “abuse” we’re talking about. Everyone today is offended about everything.