JuanAgosto wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 20:39 pm
I think Gorman may be dealt in the offseason. Walker may get another year.
if both still have options, then they start in AA or AAA and have to earn their way back. They cost nothing at this point and have little to no trade value on their own.
this isn't rocket surgery or brain science.
They have shown they can hit minor league pitching……they have shown they can’t hit major league pitching
What does this solve??
reset, maybe new coaching, enhanced comfort level without pressure, playing time without jeopardizing the MLB club, increases confidence, can build on defense too.
Minors are the place to work on things, not MLB
Why not? Again, cost nothing and their trade value is nada...
Both were High School draftee's...need more development time vs. college draftee's
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Bob39 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:37 am
When it comes to trading Gorman (or anyone), the question is, who are you getting back. If you are just going to get back another sub 1 WAR guy, I would rather keep the one I already have and see if you can turn his high walk rate and power potential into something. If someone is offering you a 2.5 WAR guy, by all means do the deal. I don't think you are going to get many of those offers however.
Gorman’s WAR is less than 1.
Nobody is giving you a 2.5 WAR player for him.
Trade him for a prospect who might actually develop into something better than Gorman, because Gorman isn’t going to develop into something better than he is.
This team needs to stop giving guys 4 years before deciding they suck.
Reyes
O’Neill
Carlson
DeJong
Gorman?
All were kept in the team in the hope that maybe they would develop into something better.
Instead they developed into being worthless.
I hope Bloom makes personnel decisions much more quickly than the king of procrastination Mozeliak.
Bob39 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 09:37 am
When it comes to trading Gorman (or anyone), the question is, who are you getting back. If you are just going to get back another sub 1 WAR guy, I would rather keep the one I already have and see if you can turn his high walk rate and power potential into something. If someone is offering you a 2.5 WAR guy, by all means do the deal. I don't think you are going to get many of those offers however.
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 10:25 am
reset, maybe new coaching, enhanced comfort level without pressure, playing time without jeopardizing the MLB club, increases confidence, can build on defense too.
Minors are the place to work on things, not MLB
Why not? Again, cost nothing and their trade value is nada...
Both were High School draftee's...need more development time vs. college draftee's
+1
Vastly improved minor league system than the one they came into!
See if they can fix these two broken hitters.
If not, then move on at seasons end.
Best point above, MLB is NOT the place to develop players.
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 20:39 pm
I think Gorman may be dealt in the offseason. Walker may get another year.
That’s what I’m thinking happens.
You think Wetherholt to 3b, Winn SS, and Saggese at 2b?
Or Donovan at 3b, Winn SS, and Wetherholt at 2b?
That im not sure I think it depends on what their plan is for Donovan. If Donovan is back then he or JJ is at second with the other at third. If Donovan is traded which he could be maybe saggasse has shown enough at the end of the season that maybe they want to see him for the full season or maybe they trade for a near ready third base prospect. I think Gorman is done with St. Louis I think when arenado went down they started him everyday as a make or break and broke. He once again tanked like I said he would do when he was hot and ended up .700 ops and he can’t play defense at third
Could be they trade Donovan for pitching, play Wetherholt at 2b, and prepare Blaze Jordan for 3b.
Lots of possibilities for Bloom.
True one things certain though I’ll bet this will be the most exciting off season in a long time
Ozz, hope you’re right. The last few years who goes on the 40-man has been our main excitement.
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 20:39 pm
I think Gorman may be dealt in the offseason. Walker may get another year.
That’s what I’m thinking happens.
You think Wetherholt to 3b, Winn SS, and Saggese at 2b?
Or Donovan at 3b, Winn SS, and Wetherholt at 2b?
That im not sure I think it depends on what their plan is for Donovan. If Donovan is back then he or JJ is at second with the other at third. If Donovan is traded which he could be maybe saggasse has shown enough at the end of the season that maybe they want to see him for the full season or maybe they trade for a near ready third base prospect. I think Gorman is done with St. Louis I think when arenado went down they started him everyday as a make or break and broke. He once again tanked like I said he would do when he was hot and ended up .700 ops and he can’t play defense at third
Could be they trade Donovan for pitching, play Wetherholt at 2b, and prepare Blaze Jordan for 3b.
Lots of possibilities for Bloom.
True one things certain though I’ll bet this will be the most exciting off season in a long time
Ozz, hope you’re right. The last few years who goes on the 40-man has been our main excitement.
What about those riveting Winter Meetings specials on Bally's where Cat Hayes would interview Mo in his suite? You know, those same GM meetings where Mo never left his suite. Yes, those interviews were always must watch. Mo would ramble about how much improvement his latest "prospect " was showing. And he would try to justify his offseason inactivity. In the meantime, Girsch was always in the background sitting on a couch eating pizza.
Vinegar Ben wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 19:19 pm
If you have been watching him lately look at the expression on his face. He doesn't seem to be focused on the game. He is a poor fielding 3rd baseman. Keep Nolan for his defense. They aren't going anywhere. Buy him a bus ticket to Colorado. He will fit pretty good there.
+1 I’m not interested in seeing another runway of him sucking and being a sub .700 ops poor fielder and that’s what he will do because that’s what he is no matter how much people wish he could be better. Trade him while he still probably has some value instead of waiting like Carlson for him to have next to no value
imadangman wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 18:52 pm
We are tired of Gorman, but common sense says 2026 is his "last shot." Last shot to build trade value that is.
I got to thinking the potential is still there for Gorman to build trade value. Not so much with a guy like Nootbaar(who was discussed today), who seems to have his flaws well defined at this point.
Let's say Gorman had his "Tyler O'Neill 2021" season... as a 2nd baseman. I think you could indeed build enough allure for at least one team out there to believe he is... "the unicorn." Ultimately, I think it would be foolish to not capitalize on the trade value in this scenario. Even if he had a big 1st half to where he's got 20+ homers at the break, you'd probably be best to hit the stop button right there and trade him at the deadline to a contender.
I guess you could come into the season with Wetherholt at 3B and Donnie in LF. We like Wetherholt playing 2B but plenty of rookies do hop around the field a bit before settling into "their" position. There can be player decisions, there can be team decisions. I'm sure rookies are programmed to understand this. I'm sure Pujols did not feel "entitled" to a certain defensive position in 2001.
TLDR: there might be nothing to lose by keeping Gorman around for 2026 on the off chance that he can build some trade value.
And this time next year we will be saying let’s give him one last shot in 2027. How many time do we have to be hit up side of the head with a hammer; he’s not going to make it as a Cardinal.
