Potential plan with Gorman for 2026

[Ozziesfan41]

I think Gorman may be dealt in the offseason. Walker may get another year.

That’s what I’m thinking happens.

You think Wetherholt to 3b, Winn SS, and Saggese at 2b?
Or Donovan at 3b, Winn SS, and Wetherholt at 2b?

That im not sure I think it depends on what their plan is for Donovan. If Donovan is back then he or JJ is at second with the other at third. If Donovan is traded which he could be maybe saggasse has shown enough at the end of the season that maybe they want to see him for the full season or maybe they trade for a near ready third base prospect. I think Gorman is done with St. Louis I think when arenado went down they started him everyday as a make or break and broke. He once again tanked like I said he would do when he was hot and ended up .700 ops and he can’t play defense at third

[JuanAgosto]

I think Gorman may be dealt in the offseason. Walker may get another year.

That’s what I’m thinking happens.

You think Wetherholt to 3b, Winn SS, and Saggese at 2b?
Or Donovan at 3b, Winn SS, and Wetherholt at 2b?

That im not sure I think it depends on what their plan is for Donovan. If Donovan is back then he or JJ is at second with the other at third. If Donovan is traded which he could be maybe saggasse has shown enough at the end of the season that maybe they want to see him for the full season or maybe they trade for a near ready third base prospect. I think Gorman is done with St. Louis I think when arenado went down they started him everyday as a make or break and broke. He once again tanked like I said he would do when he was hot and ended up .700 ops and he can’t play defense at third

Could be they trade Donovan for pitching, play Wetherholt at 2b, and prepare Blaze Jordan for 3b.

Lots of possibilities for Bloom.

[Dewey Kuey]

The quicker they move Gorman out of here the quicker they can start moving forward to find better players. Gorman has had all the chances he deserves. He isn't a good ballplayer and never will be.

[Talkin' Baseball]

IMO, unless he improves his defense at some position, or increases his on base percentage, he really has to get north of 25 HR's to feel like he is worth his roster spot.

[Ozziesfan41]

I think Gorman may be dealt in the offseason. Walker may get another year.

That’s what I’m thinking happens.

You think Wetherholt to 3b, Winn SS, and Saggese at 2b?
Or Donovan at 3b, Winn SS, and Wetherholt at 2b?

That im not sure I think it depends on what their plan is for Donovan. If Donovan is back then he or JJ is at second with the other at third. If Donovan is traded which he could be maybe saggasse has shown enough at the end of the season that maybe they want to see him for the full season or maybe they trade for a near ready third base prospect. I think Gorman is done with St. Louis I think when arenado went down they started him everyday as a make or break and broke. He once again tanked like I said he would do when he was hot and ended up .700 ops and he can’t play defense at third

Could be they trade Donovan for pitching, play Wetherholt at 2b, and prepare Blaze Jordan for 3b.

Lots of possibilities for Bloom.

True one things certain though I’ll bet this will be the most exciting off season in a long time

[JuanAgosto]

I think Gorman may be dealt in the offseason. Walker may get another year.

That’s what I’m thinking happens.

You think Wetherholt to 3b, Winn SS, and Saggese at 2b?
Or Donovan at 3b, Winn SS, and Wetherholt at 2b?

That im not sure I think it depends on what their plan is for Donovan. If Donovan is back then he or JJ is at second with the other at third. If Donovan is traded which he could be maybe saggasse has shown enough at the end of the season that maybe they want to see him for the full season or maybe they trade for a near ready third base prospect. I think Gorman is done with St. Louis I think when arenado went down they started him everyday as a make or break and broke. He once again tanked like I said he would do when he was hot and ended up .700 ops and he can’t play defense at third

Could be they trade Donovan for pitching, play Wetherholt at 2b, and prepare Blaze Jordan for 3b.

Lots of possibilities for Bloom.

True one things certain though I’ll bet this will be the most exciting off season in a long time

Hopefully Bloom doesn't hibernate all winter. Movement would be exciting.

[rockondlouie]

Here's my Gorman/Walker plan for 2026:

-Walker stays at Memphis until September callups, either fixes his issues or Bloom cuts the cord at season end.

-Gorman starts at Memphis and stays until he shows he belongs up here.

Tired of seeing the team waste ML PA's on these two (and innings on a loser like A. Pallante)!

[Melville]

We are tired of Gorman, but common sense says 2026 is his "last shot." Last shot to build trade value that is.

I got to thinking the potential is still there for Gorman to build trade value. Not so much with a guy like Nootbaar(who was discussed today), who seems to have his flaws well defined at this point.

Let's say Gorman had his "Tyler O'Neill 2021" season... as a 2nd baseman. I think you could indeed build enough allure for at least one team out there to believe he is... "the unicorn." Ultimately, I think it would be foolish to not capitalize on the trade value in this scenario. Even if he had a big 1st half to where he's got 20+ homers at the break, you'd probably be best to hit the stop button right there and trade him at the deadline to a contender.

I guess you could come into the season with Wetherholt at 3B and Donnie in LF. We like Wetherholt playing 2B but plenty of rookies do hop around the field a bit before settling into "their" position. There can be player decisions, there can be team decisions. I'm sure rookies are programmed to understand this. I'm sure Pujols did not feel "entitled" to a certain defensive position in 2001.

TLDR: there might be nothing to lose by keeping Gorman around for 2026 on the off chance that he can build some trade value.

Gorman has far more value than most think.
Folks tend to miss the fact that this year his is on pace for 22 HR, 79 RBI, and 80 runs, per 600 PA's.
That would put his production in roughly the top 3rd of 3B's.
And top 3rd in 2B.
And even higher among LH hitters at those spots.
Understandably, a lot of folks get stick on the K's or BA - and forget the game is about production.
Not an endorsement.
Simply unbiased fact.
If they shop him, there will be a long line.

lol youre desperate sounding just like people talking about O’Neil if he could get 600 at bats he would do great! He sucks he can’t hit or field and he has 4 fewer home runs than Herrera who you say has no power

Incorrect.
As you know, I was the only person on the planet not fooled by The Paper Tyler's 6 week hot streak in 2021 - and said so during the midst of it.
Paper's biggest issue was that he could not stay on the field and need a flight-for-life on standby for every game.
With Gorman, he is simply being badly mismanaged by the team.
As for Herrera, I am pleased his bat broke out after being moved from the catcher position 4 years after I correctly analyzed and endorsed that need.
Being unbiased by profession and positive by nature, I seek success for everyone.
But let's resist the Carpenter Syndrome and look for a continuation next season before forming conclusions - Herrera has now shown 5 weeks of power over 4 seasons.

[Melville]

We are tired of Gorman, but common sense says 2026 is his "last shot." Last shot to build trade value that is.

I got to thinking the potential is still there for Gorman to build trade value. Not so much with a guy like Nootbaar(who was discussed today), who seems to have his flaws well defined at this point.

Let's say Gorman had his "Tyler O'Neill 2021" season... as a 2nd baseman. I think you could indeed build enough allure for at least one team out there to believe he is... "the unicorn." Ultimately, I think it would be foolish to not capitalize on the trade value in this scenario. Even if he had a big 1st half to where he's got 20+ homers at the break, you'd probably be best to hit the stop button right there and trade him at the deadline to a contender.

I guess you could come into the season with Wetherholt at 3B and Donnie in LF. We like Wetherholt playing 2B but plenty of rookies do hop around the field a bit before settling into "their" position. There can be player decisions, there can be team decisions. I'm sure rookies are programmed to understand this. I'm sure Pujols did not feel "entitled" to a certain defensive position in 2001.

TLDR: there might be nothing to lose by keeping Gorman around for 2026 on the off chance that he can build some trade value.

Gorman has far more value than most think.
Folks tend to miss the fact that this year his is on pace for 22 HR, 79 RBI, and 80 runs, per 600 PA's.
That would put his production in roughly the top 3rd of 3B's.
And top 3rd in 2B.
And even higher among LH hitters at those spots.
Understandably, a lot of folks get stick on the K's or BA - and forget the game is about production.
Not an endorsement.
Simply unbiased fact.
If they shop him, there will be a long line.

lol you’re too funny.

“Per 600 PA” sounds exactly like the Nootbaar lovers last offseason who assured all of us that all Nooty needed was health to put up all these imaginary numbers.

Gorman sucks and whether there’s a long line or not he needs gone this offseason.

Keep in mind that I am the only person on the planet who has been right about Mootbaar every day since 2022 - 4 years now.
I said he would never be what others dreamed of and would always be exactly who I said he was.
I was perfectly spot-on in my analysis.
I am 100% correct above Gorman as well.
You have my personal guarantee - which is the best you will ever find from anywhere, anytime.
Does he strike out too much?
Yes.
Does he need to raise his BA to .230 or higher?
Yes.
If given 600 PA's, would he be a LH hitting 2b or 3b producing 25+ HR and 80+ RBI?
Guaranteed.
That would be elite production from a #6 or #7 spot in a lineup.
And is the kind of power the team is desperate for.
Will they shop him?
Quite possible.
And there will be a long line if they do.

[OldRed]

We are tired of Gorman, but common sense says 2026 is his "last shot." Last shot to build trade value that is.

I got to thinking the potential is still there for Gorman to build trade value. Not so much with a guy like Nootbaar(who was discussed today), who seems to have his flaws well defined at this point.

Let's say Gorman had his "Tyler O'Neill 2021" season... as a 2nd baseman. I think you could indeed build enough allure for at least one team out there to believe he is... "the unicorn." Ultimately, I think it would be foolish to not capitalize on the trade value in this scenario. Even if he had a big 1st half to where he's got 20+ homers at the break, you'd probably be best to hit the stop button right there and trade him at the deadline to a contender.

I guess you could come into the season with Wetherholt at 3B and Donnie in LF. We like Wetherholt playing 2B but plenty of rookies do hop around the field a bit before settling into "their" position. There can be player decisions, there can be team decisions. I'm sure rookies are programmed to understand this. I'm sure Pujols did not feel "entitled" to a certain defensive position in 2001.

TLDR: there might be nothing to lose by keeping Gorman around for 2026 on the off chance that he can build some trade value.

Gorman has far more value than most think.
Folks tend to miss the fact that this year his is on pace for 22 HR, 79 RBI, and 80 runs, per 600 PA's.
That would put his production in roughly the top 3rd of 3B's.
And top 3rd in 2B.
And even higher among LH hitters at those spots.
Understandably, a lot of folks get stick on the K's or BA - and forget the game is about production.
Not an endorsement.
Simply unbiased fact.
If they shop him, there will be a long line.

lol youre desperate sounding just like people talking about O’Neil if he could get 600 at bats he would do great! He sucks he can’t hit or field and he has 4 fewer home runs than Herrera who you say has no power

Incorrect.
As you know, I was the only person on the planet not fooled by The Paper Tyler's 6 week hot streak in 2021 - and said so during the midst of it.
Paper's biggest issue was that he could not stay on the field and need a flight-for-life on standby for every game.
With Gorman, he is simply being badly mismanaged by the team.
As for Herrera, I am pleased his bat broke out after being moved from the catcher position 4 years after I correctly analyzed and endorsed that need.
Being unbiased by profession and positive by nature, I seek success for everyone.
But let's resist the Carpenter Syndrome and look for a continuation next season before forming conclusions - Herrera has now shown 5 weeks of power over 4 seasons.

You haven't been right about anything.

You need to observe, listen and learn.

[Bob39]

When it comes to trading Gorman (or anyone), the question is, who are you getting back. If you are just going to get back another sub 1 WAR guy, I would rather keep the one I already have and see if you can turn his high walk rate and power potential into something. If someone is offering you a 2.5 WAR guy, by all means do the deal. I don't think you are going to get many of those offers however.

[OldRed]

When it comes to trading Gorman (or anyone), the question is, who are you getting back. If you are just going to get back another sub 1 WAR guy, I would rather keep the one I already have and see if you can turn his high walk rate and power potential into something. If someone is offering you a 2.5 WAR guy, by all means do the deal. I don't think you are going to get many of those offers however.

This is true and the sad thing most of the other players fall into the same category.

[Melville]

When it comes to trading Gorman (or anyone), the question is, who are you getting back. If you are just going to get back another sub 1 WAR guy, I would rather keep the one I already have and see if you can turn his high walk rate and power potential into something. If someone is offering you a 2.5 WAR guy, by all means do the deal. I don't think you are going to get many of those offers however.

Mootbaar, possibly Walker, Pages or Crooks, Bernal, Hence, and perhaps Mathews are the cleat trade pieces.
As you point out, return is everything.
As much as many would very understandably object, both Herrera and Donovan should be part of the conversation depending on circumstances.
And Conteras is an interesting possibility - at just 18M over each of the next 2 years and now an established quality bat & glove at 1B, his contract is now well below market value.
He might be willing to move on and would bring a very good return.
STL has several good options as trade bait.

[timoevans]

We can all hope he is in Oakland or Tampa !

[scoutyjones2]

I think Gorman may be dealt in the offseason. Walker may get another year.

if both still have options, then they start in AA or AAA and have to earn their way back. They cost nothing at this point and have little to no trade value on their own.

this isn't rocket surgery or brain science.

[Goldfan]

I think Gorman may be dealt in the offseason. Walker may get another year.

if both still have options, then they start in AA or AAA and have to earn their way back. They cost nothing at this point and have little to no trade value on their own.

this isn't rocket surgery or brain science.

They have shown they can hit minor league pitching……they have shown they can’t hit major league pitching
What does this solve??