Arenado's 5 years in St. Louis (stats )

[imetsatchelpaige]

Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Not that close.

[Goldfan]

Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Take Rolen any day of week and twice on Sunday. More clutch….more impactful….

If we acknowledge NADO has been hurt his last two season and we take their first three full seasons here:

Rolen:
67 HR
256 RBI
.289 .384 .533 .917
137 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 4 MVP finish

NADO:
90 HR
301 RBI
.271 .328 .495 .824
126 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 3 MVP finish

The edge does go to Rolen, but still da mn close.

I wanted NA here, but I’ve soured on him after seeing his lack of leadership, aloofness at times, and moping around

I'm still a fan, he gave us three great seasons and has been dinged up the last two.

I'd make that deal 100/100 times.

2021 and 2023 werent great.

2 great
1 good
2 bad
With 2 more$$$$ years on contract…..overall poor return for what was paid

[TXCardsFanX]

Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Not that close.

Agreed, Rolen was way better offensively. Even if you adjust for how good those lineups were in the early 2000s, Rolen was a key cog. A true RBI guy; I remember wanting Rolen up more than anybody (even Pujols at times) when runners were on base in a crucial moment.
The defense is the most comparable metric and I think each had advantages in different areas there. I watched both nearly every night they played and both played elite defense. But, they looked so different on the field!
Arenado was a great hitter in his prime, but was never the hitter his Coors Field stats showed. You should look up his splits home vs away throughout his Rockies career. Here are a couple of examples:
2018 - All Star, Silver Slugger, Led the NL in HRs - OPS: 1.105 at home, 0.776 away. MVP at home, not even an all-star away. 329 point difference!
2019 - Arguably his best year - OPS: 1.057 at home, 0.867 away. Great year! But, the Coors bump was still 90 points!

Rolen hit 0.305 in his age 34 season. He followed that up with an OPS of 0.855 the next year, making the all-star team at 35 and leading the Reds to the playoffs.

Nolan Arenado has had a great career. But he hasn't had as good of a career as Rolen and certainly not as good as Rolen when they were each in a Cardinal's uniform.

[rockondlouie]

Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Not that close.

Very close

[Goldfan]

Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Not that close.

Agreed, Rolen was way better offensively. Even if you adjust for how good those lineups were in the early 2000s, Rolen was a key cog. A true RBI guy; I remember wanting Rolen up more than anybody (even Pujols at times) when runners were on base in a crucial moment.
The defense is the most comparable metric and I think each had advantages in different areas there. I watched both nearly every night they played and both played elite defense. But, they looked so different on the field!
Arenado was a great hitter in his prime, but was never the hitter his Coors Field stats showed. You should look up his splits home vs away throughout his Rockies career. Here are a couple of examples:
2018 - All Star, Silver Slugger, Led the NL in HRs - OPS: 1.105 at home, 0.776 away. MVP at home, not even an all-star away. 329 point difference!
2019 - Arguably his best year - OPS: 1.057 at home, 0.867 away. Great year! But, the Coors bump was still 90 points!

Rolen hit 0.305 in his age 34 season. He followed that up with an OPS of 0.855 the next year, making the all-star team at 35 and leading the Reds to the playoffs.

Nolan Arenado has had a great career. But he hasn't had as good of a career as Rolen and certainly not as good as Rolen when they were each in a Cardinal's uniform.

NA is an all pull one trick pony. Him always lunging at that low and away slider is mind boggling…..

[blackinkbiz]

Really don't understand how anyone still holds any fascination for this guy.

-He rapidly declined 2-3 years ahead of a standard regression model
-horrible playoff performer, both offensive and defensively. 9th inning 2022 Game 1... a standard double play ball went right through his glove.
-brings 0 leadership
-"gamer" attitude selfishness caused him to play through injury, perhaps impacting his rapid decline and therefore letting down his organization, teammates, and fans
-visibly pouts when not playing up to par, which, again, is likely his fault from refusing to be a team player and sit when injured.
-has a penchant for errors at the worst possible times

Still an excellent defender but not worthy of the admiration he gets from some around here.

[riff raff]

I'll be waiting on the edge of my stadium seat for the totally useless 'will he get a red jacket' thread.
Those are always good.

[hmoss859]

Rolen wins this debate every single time

Higher walk rate 8% vs 5%

Superior baserunner

[ramfandan]

Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

The difference between getting a hitter at 26 and 30.

Yes, and some CT'ers are compaing the two ..that's apples to oranges ... Nado was a couple years older .. big difference as that 26-31 are so are prime years for baseball player

[ecleme22]

Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Take Rolen any day of week and twice on Sunday. More clutch….more impactful….

If we acknowledge NADO has been hurt his last two season and we take their first three full seasons here:

Rolen:
67 HR
256 RBI
.289 .384 .533 .917
137 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 4 MVP finish

NADO:
90 HR
301 RBI
.271 .328 .495 .824
126 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 3 MVP finish

The edge does go to Rolen, but still da mn close.

I wanted NA here, but I’ve soured on him after seeing his lack of leadership, aloofness at times, and moping around

I'm still a fan, he gave us three great seasons and has been dinged up the last two.

I'd make that deal 100/100 times.

2021 and 2023 werent great.

2 great
1 good
2 bad
With 2 more$$$$ years on contract…..overall poor return for what was paid

2021 wasn’t great.

[CardsBest]

It is a shame he was in the shadow of Miles Mikolas the entire time.

[Goldfan]

Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Take Rolen any day of week and twice on Sunday. More clutch….more impactful….

If we acknowledge NADO has been hurt his last two season and we take their first three full seasons here:

Rolen:
67 HR
256 RBI
.289 .384 .533 .917
137 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 4 MVP finish

NADO:
90 HR
301 RBI
.271 .328 .495 .824
126 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 3 MVP finish

The edge does go to Rolen, but still da mn close.

I wanted NA here, but I’ve soured on him after seeing his lack of leadership, aloofness at times, and moping around

I'm still a fan, he gave us three great seasons and has been dinged up the last two.

I'd make that deal 100/100 times.

2021 and 2023 werent great.

2 great
1 good
2 bad
With 2 more$$$$ years on contract…..overall poor return for what was paid

2021 wasn’t great.

34HR
105 RBI
81R
34 doubles
.807 OPS
I’ll give it to him…..AS, GG
Given today’s team standards we may never see 30HR and 100RBI again…..

[ecleme22]

Compare with Scott Rolen's 6 years in St. Louis:

ROLEN
661 games
.286 avg.
111 HR
453 RBI
.879 OPS
26 bWAR
4 time All Star, 3 Gold Gloves

ARENADO
703 games
.266 avg
116 Home Runs
421 RBI
.777 OPS
18.1 bWAR
3-time All -Star , 2 Gold Gloves

Good comp

Pretty da mn close too.

Take Rolen any day of week and twice on Sunday. More clutch….more impactful….

If we acknowledge NADO has been hurt his last two season and we take their first three full seasons here:

Rolen:
67 HR
256 RBI
.289 .384 .533 .917
137 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 4 MVP finish

NADO:
90 HR
301 RBI
.271 .328 .495 .824
126 OPS+
3 AS games
2 GG
Top 3 MVP finish

The edge does go to Rolen, but still da mn close.

I wanted NA here, but I’ve soured on him after seeing his lack of leadership, aloofness at times, and moping around

I'm still a fan, he gave us three great seasons and has been dinged up the last two.

I'd make that deal 100/100 times.

2021 and 2023 werent great.

2 great
1 good
2 bad
With 2 more$$$$ years on contract…..overall poor return for what was paid

2021 wasn’t great.

34HR
105 RBI
81R
34 doubles
.807 OPS
I’ll give it to him…..AS, GG
Given today’s team standards we may never see 30HR and 100RBI again…..

Not by his standards. A .312 obp. Very low ops compared to his Colo norms.

Counting stats were good—-he was healthy.