FIRE MARMOL-- Enough of the Coddling: Marmol has presided over one of the worst periods in Cardinal history

[Banner29]

If Bloom intends to dump and rebuild he will keep Marmol and then hire his guy when the team appears ready to recover.

Exactly. He's already a sunk cost. Might as well try to get their money's worth. That's the FO's thinking, not mine. I'd have fired his *ss after Game 1 against the Phils in 22 as it's been all downhill since then. But, the players seem to like his country club "Don't pressure yourself too hard to win" attitude, so I'd be surprised if he were gone before his contract's up. Especially after the interview yesterday with The Cat in which he stated Oli and Herrera discussed what Ivan needs to do report to ST as a catcher. Sure sounded like Oli'd be back.

Embrace the horror.

Um no. When you are likely adding more “young” players to a team that’s rebuilding you don’t keep around a guy that doesn’t know how to coach fundamentals first and foremost but also one that can’t build a winning atmosphere. Not even factoring his in game decision making

Thats like trying to put out a fire with more fire

I don’t doubt he will be back. But I won’t pretend like it makes sense because “they will have to pay him anyway”

How about just pay him to stay the f*** away from the young players rather than pay him to delay their progression another year?

[JuanAgosto]

Oli sucks (donkey).

[blackinkbiz]

If Bloom intends to dump and rebuild he will keep Marmol and then hire his guy when the team appears ready to recover.

Exactly. He's already a sunk cost. Might as well try to get their money's worth. That's the FO's thinking, not mine. I'd have fired his *ss after Game 1 against the Phils in 22 as it's been all downhill since then. But, the players seem to like his country club "Don't pressure yourself too hard to win" attitude, so I'd be surprised if he were gone before his contract's up. Especially after the interview yesterday with The Cat in which he stated Oli and Herrera discussed what Ivan needs to do report to ST as a catcher. Sure sounded like Oli'd be back.

Embrace the horror.

Um no. When you are likely adding more “young” players to a team that’s rebuilding you don’t keep around a guy that doesn’t know how to coach fundamentals first and foremost but also one that can’t build a winning atmosphere. Not even factoring his in game decision making

Thats like trying to put out a fire with more fire

I don’t doubt he will be back. But I won’t pretend like it makes sense because “they will have to pay him anyway”

How about just pay him to stay the f*** away from the young players rather than pay him to delay their progression another year?

Oh you'll get 0 argument from me. Like I said, I'd have fired his *ss the day after the Phils series in 22. Pulling Quintana after he was almost unhittable through 5.1IP and 75 pitches and THEN, being dumb enough to compound his mistake by trying to get 2 innings out of Helsley when everyone following the team knew he had jammed a finger on his throwing hand just three days before... And if that weren't bad enough, he doubled down by saying "Everything went according to script until that last inning." He didn't even think he'd made a mistake, indicating he's unwilling to learn or adapt. He's a f'n joke as a manager!

First, who the F SCRIPTS out a playoff game? You can't script a playoff game. You have to be ready to make hard decisions in the moment, something he has repeatedly shown he's not adept at. I can't stand Oli as a manager. Seems like a nice enough guy, but the St. Louis Cardinals manager chair isn't a training position.

I hope he's gone but after that interview yesterday, UGH, REALLY sounds like he's confident he'll be here come Spring. Barf!

[scoutyjones2]

This is one of the worst periods in Cards history.
How this man can even be considered a viable option to retain his job is just insane.
The past 3 years should be unacceptable for any respectable team.
He's had 4 years and shown no semblance of improvement.
3 consecutive years of negative run diff.
a horrendous season in 2023.
This year is another disaster.
If we are going to rebuild the rebuild should begin on 9/29/2025 with a good old-fashioned firing.
Anything less is more coddling and less success.
He's anything but a long-term answer.
There, I've said my peace.

3 years ago, they won the NL Central with a talented team

[JuanAgosto]

I agree with a couple of earlier posts. One said you dont rebuild with a guy who cant teach fundamentals. Its obvious this team lacks in this area. Terrible baserunning all season and hasn't improved. None of the young guys have passed the audition of 2025. What makes anyone think 2026 or 27 will be any different?

The second post asked who scripts a playoff game? That is a great point. Playoff games are urgent and require flexibility in decision making. Many times you have to improvise. Having a script in October is just ridiculous. And it is evidence of a weak manager.

These two posts have accurately summarized why a managerial change is needed.

[straight out of st louis robert ave]

Any manager that smiles when the club is losing needs to be gone immediately.
Oli represents a "joke of a manager".
Slow him the door regardless of his "cheap salary".
Card fans deserve to watch competent, winning baseball.

[straight out of st louis robert ave]

Any manager that smiles when the club is losing needs to be gone immediately.
Oli represents a "joke of a manager".
Slow him the door regardless of his "cheap salary".
Card fans deserve to watch competent, winning baseball.

I meant "show him the door" right away.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

Any manager that smiles when the club is losing needs to be gone immediately.
Oli represents a "joke of a manager".
Slow him the door regardless of his "cheap salary".
Card fans deserve to watch competent, winning baseball.

I meant "show him the door" right away.

The sooner the better.

[Hazelwood72]

This is one of the worst periods in Cards history.
How this man can even be considered a viable option to retain his job is just insane.
The past 3 years should be unacceptable for any respectable team.
He's had 4 years and shown no semblance of improvement.
3 consecutive years of negative run diff.
a horrendous season in 2023.
This year is another disaster.
If we are going to rebuild the rebuild should begin on 9/29/2025 with a good old-fashioned firing.
Anything less is more coddling and less success.
He's anything but a long-term answer.
There, I've said my peace.

3 years ago, they won the NL Central with a talented team

Then immediately fell flat on their face to the Phillies in the Wild Card Game. Winning the weak NL Central only gave them a 3rd Seed, meaning they had to play a best-of-3 series. And Marmol screwed the pooch by pulling Quintana.

The Cards won that weak division in spite of Oli, not because of him.

He needs to be FIRED. As soon as this season is over.

[kscardsfan]

It feels like Vern Rapp is back Managing this team. Get him outta here.

[Melville]

It feels like Vern Rapp is back Managing this team. Get him outta here.

That is cold.
But correct of course.

[ecleme22]

This is one of the worst periods in Cards history.
How this man can even be considered a viable option to retain his job is just insane.
The past 3 years should be unacceptable for any respectable team.
He's had 4 years and shown no semblance of improvement.
3 consecutive years of negative run diff.
a horrendous season in 2023.
This year is another disaster.
If we are going to rebuild the rebuild should begin on 9/29/2025 with a good old-fashioned firing.
Anything less is more coddling and less success.
He's anything but a long-term answer.
There, I've said my peace.

I wouldn’t call the season a disaster given the expectations

[45s]

Might be very entertaining next year after they fire marmol and the team still sucks..

[Cusecards]

This is one of the worst periods in Cards history.
How this man can even be considered a viable option to retain his job is just insane.
The past 3 years should be unacceptable for any respectable team.
He's had 4 years and shown no semblance of improvement.
3 consecutive years of negative run diff.
a horrendous season in 2023.
This year is another disaster.
If we are going to rebuild the rebuild should begin on 9/29/2025 with a good old-fashioned firing.
Anything less is more coddling and less success.
He's anything but a long-term answer.
There, I've said my peace.

I wouldn’t call the season a disaster given the expectations

No....not a disaster.
The expectations coming in were to be within 5 games either way of .500 and likely miss the playoffs.
That is what happened.
The red hot May(nine games over .500!) got everyone fired up.
But....we all know what happened.
Start by rebuilding the rotation.
As for the Manager/Staff who knows?
They do have some nice young pieces for the lineup but also need to weed out some guys.

[govman]

This is one of the worst periods in Cards history.
How this man can even be considered a viable option to retain his job is just insane.
The past 3 years should be unacceptable for any respectable team.
He's had 4 years and shown no semblance of improvement.
3 consecutive years of negative run diff.
a horrendous season in 2023.
This year is another disaster.
If we are going to rebuild the rebuild should begin on 9/29/2025 with a good old-fashioned firing.
Anything less is more coddling and less success.
He's anything but a long-term answer.
There, I've said my peace.

"There, I've said my peace"--don't know about peace coming from you, but I think "piece" is what you meant