Cap could almost double over next 10yrs.

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Unfathomable
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Re: Cap could almost double over next 10yrs.

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I know people won't like this comparison because the NBA is the NBA but just look..

The NBA's nine-year, $24 billion television rights deal with ESPN and TNT—signed in October 2014 and effective starting with the 2016-17 season—dramatically boosted league revenue, which in turn fueled salary cap growth (as the cap is projected to equal roughly 44-51% of basketball-related income)

.2014-15 salary cap (pre-deal impact): $63.065 million.
2024-25 salary cap (final year of the deal): $140.588 million.

This represents an absolute increase of $77.523 million (or a 123% growth) over that 10-season span. The most notable single-year jump came in 2016-17 (the deal's first full season), when the cap spiked 32% from $70 million to $94.143 million due to the influx of TV revenue.For context, the 2025-26 cap (set at $154.647 million) reflects a standard 10% annual maximum increase under the current CBA, but its growth will increasingly tie to the league's new $76 billion media deal (with ESPN, NBCUniversal, and Amazon) that begins this season.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/ppxVct3XIP2Lra4wOMr7y3BlJ

I'm not saying it will Double but it could or get REALLY close. I do think the game is slowly growing...
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Re: Cap could almost double over next 10yrs.

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netboy65 wrote: 17 Sep 2025 18:39 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 17 Sep 2025 17:41 pm
netboy65 wrote: 17 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
Unfathomable wrote: 17 Sep 2025 14:13 pm Marco D'Amico: "Sources believe the salary cap could almost double over the next 9 years (going from $95M to possibly $170M) - RG (9/12)

https://x.com/NHLRumourReport/status/19 ... 3306530175

Saw this the other day D'Amico had Snuggy Signing a day or so before it happened i for sure see it rising drastically if they stay with the ESPN/TNT model and the game keeps growing.

This is also why small market teams are looking at other avenues of income like streaming services production companies etc..
The league doesn’t make that kind of scratch to sustain that. That’s a baseball number and they play twice as many games. Which will of course eventually lead to another lockout.
You must not understand how revenue and the cap are related. The cap only goes up when revenue goes up. They’re tied to the hip. The cap being projected to double means that they’re projecting revenue to double.

And owners and players split revenue 50/50. Like to the dollar. Let’s say all of the players salaries add up to 52% of revenue at the end of the year. They would then give back 2% to the owners. Conversely, if they all add up to 48%, then they’d all get an extra 2% once the calculations are done at the end of the year.

This is why the CBA extension that just happened was so easy and there wasn’t much bickering at all. Both sides are pretty darn happy these days.

As long as revenue continues to increase, players will continue to get their cut (50%) and thus their salaries will continue to increase as well.
Projecting and actually are two different things. We’ll see.
That’s the thing though. The cap won’t actually go up unless revenue does. The projections are just educated guesses based on revenue projections. If it ends up higher or lower, the Cap will be adjusted accordingly. Thus, no real risk of a lockout.
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Re: Cap could almost double over next 10yrs.

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The Salary cap in 2005 was 39 mil.
In 2015, it was 71.4 mil.
An 83% increase. Not quite double, but pretty darn close.

For 2025, it's set at 95.5 mil.
Only a 34% increase from '15-'16.
Granted that number is undoubtedly lower than it would have been if not for the 'Rona shutdowns(we already know it's going up to 113.5 for the '27-28 season which is a 51% increase from the '17-'18 Cap of 75 mil).


I seriously doubt we see the cap literally double over the next 10 years, but I absolutely expect it to be closer to the increase we saw between '05 and '15. It will probably be something in the 160 mil range at that point(assuming there's not another forced shutdown).
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Re: Cap could almost double over next 10yrs.

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Just means the same guys making more money. Who cares if the cap goes up? Aside from the lower tier guys who might make 1.5M instead of 750K. Doesn't make the product any better.
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Re: Cap could almost double over next 10yrs.

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STL fan in MN wrote: 17 Sep 2025 19:22 pm
netboy65 wrote: 17 Sep 2025 18:39 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 17 Sep 2025 17:41 pm
netboy65 wrote: 17 Sep 2025 14:45 pm
Unfathomable wrote: 17 Sep 2025 14:13 pm Marco D'Amico: "Sources believe the salary cap could almost double over the next 9 years (going from $95M to possibly $170M) - RG (9/12)

https://x.com/NHLRumourReport/status/19 ... 3306530175

Saw this the other day D'Amico had Snuggy Signing a day or so before it happened i for sure see it rising drastically if they stay with the ESPN/TNT model and the game keeps growing.

This is also why small market teams are looking at other avenues of income like streaming services production companies etc..
The league doesn’t make that kind of scratch to sustain that. That’s a baseball number and they play twice as many games. Which will of course eventually lead to another lockout.
You must not understand how revenue and the cap are related. The cap only goes up when revenue goes up. They’re tied to the hip. The cap being projected to double means that they’re projecting revenue to double.

And owners and players split revenue 50/50. Like to the dollar. Let’s say all of the players salaries add up to 52% of revenue at the end of the year. They would then give back 2% to the owners. Conversely, if they all add up to 48%, then they’d all get an extra 2% once the calculations are done at the end of the year.

This is why the CBA extension that just happened was so easy and there wasn’t much bickering at all. Both sides are pretty darn happy these days.

As long as revenue continues to increase, players will continue to get their cut (50%) and thus their salaries will continue to increase as well.
Projecting and actually are two different things. We’ll see.
That’s the thing though. The cap won’t actually go up unless revenue does. The projections are just educated guesses based on revenue projections. If it ends up higher or lower, the Cap will be adjusted accordingly. Thus, no real risk of a lockout.
Thanks for the info! I 100% believe you but it still sounds risky. Maybe the past is just seared into my brain! Lol
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Re: Cap could almost double over next 10yrs.

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TheJackBurton wrote: 17 Sep 2025 15:58 pm I have a hard time seeing it. If the average ticket price is currently 83 here, then if we are looking at a doubling how many people will be able to afford an average ticket price of 166 dollars?

I just don't see it.
Player salaries are roughly half of revenues (forget the precise percentage in CBA), so, theoretically, the average ticket price would "only" go up $41.50 to $124.5.

That might be in line with inflation over a 10-year period.
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Re: Cap could almost double over next 10yrs.

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blues2112 wrote: 18 Sep 2025 12:49 pm
TheJackBurton wrote: 17 Sep 2025 15:58 pm I have a hard time seeing it. If the average ticket price is currently 83 here, then if we are looking at a doubling how many people will be able to afford an average ticket price of 166 dollars?

I just don't see it.
Player salaries are roughly half of revenues (forget the precise percentage in CBA), so, theoretically, the average ticket price would "only" go up $41.50 to $124.5.

That might be in line with inflation over a 10-year period.
Even if in line with inflation, that doesn't mean that it won't outpace blue collar earnings.

For a family of four without purchasing anything they are already at 500 bucks just for tickets and that doesn't include parking.

Start including concessions and all of a sudden you could spend another 100 or so and now you've spent 600-650 and never even left a zip code.
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