They were dancing around .500 to just above for most of the season until the trade deadline, when they decided to effectively punt on this season and build up some prospects. I think they would have been in the 83-86 win area had they stayed the course. But I understand and accept the rebuild as part of baseball. I've been through a few of these as a fan and planted seeds have always, in the past at least, blossomed into great times. On the good side, I think we've seen rock bottom. Unless, that is, Bloom turns out to be a bustcasey1024 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:23 am I honestly thought this was where we would be........I had no illusions that this team was good enough to do much better than .500. I'm okay with where the rebuild is at. If Goldy and Arenado had not fell off the cliff so, so fast......we could have been in a decent place the past 2 years. Sometimes even the best of plans do not work. I thought when we acquired those 2, we would go deep in the playoffs. But.....when you make those kind of investments....and they don't work out....you land where we are. It's called life....it happens.
Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
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I agree that it's been too long. But, there are appreciably more teams in MLB now than back in those days. Easier to make the playoffs, much harder to make the WS.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:19 amAs I have noted an exhaustive amount of times, we are 6 seasons from an all time franchise tieing record- consecutive years without WS appearances.ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
We are at 12 and counting. Record - 1946-1964. That’s the fifties. Then 67-82. That’s the seventies; then 87-2004,that’s the nineties.
Now it’s 2013 till?? There goes the twenties.
Same scenerio.
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It would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
Plus add in the fact the team has no Masyn Winn to possibly pull out added wins with his glove and / or batmoose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:20 amspot onHoosier59 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:15 am I don’t think we’ll win more than three more games. Bullpen is worn out and our young starters have pitched more innings than they’ve ever pitched. So, not a good combination. Gray gave us a good game, and so did Liberatore, but the tired bullpen couldn’t hold those leads. It’s not going to get better in the coming days.
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Hopefully, they go 0-11.
Hopefully, that increases their draft position.
And most hopefully, the poor finish combined with the fact we have fewer answers now due to the poor handling of "runway" distribution than we did at the start of the season, this will convince Bloom that Oli is simply not the man for this job and send him walking in October.
Hopefully, that increases their draft position.
And most hopefully, the poor finish combined with the fact we have fewer answers now due to the poor handling of "runway" distribution than we did at the start of the season, this will convince Bloom that Oli is simply not the man for this job and send him walking in October.
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Was the July 31 decision really a bad one? What does the team gain winning 83 games and missing the playoffs then losing the pitchers to free agency for little to nothing?ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:12 am The franchise guaranteed a losing season on July 31.
Better get some pitching between now and April 2026.
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I need more Rain and a little win streak to realize my 80-80 prediction. 3 years and running...that's been my prediction.
but since it was confirmed/realized that we can indeed win the Draft Lottery this winter, I'm all for bottom 5 record....we're only 2 1/2 games out of 5th place.
not a lot of games left, so it would be a Little Tank....call it a Stuart.
but since it was confirmed/realized that we can indeed win the Draft Lottery this winter, I'm all for bottom 5 record....we're only 2 1/2 games out of 5th place.
not a lot of games left, so it would be a Little Tank....call it a Stuart.

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I think that call will be 100% BDWJrs and he's (likely) going to keep him since he's paying him for 2026 and isn't going to invest any (real) money in the 2026 rebuilding team.blackinkbiz wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:46 am Hopefully, they go 0-11.
Hopefully, that increases their draft position.
And most hopefully, the poor finish combined with the fact we have fewer answers now due to the poor handling of "runway" distribution than we did at the start of the season, this will convince Bloom that Oli is simply not the man for this job and send him walking in October.
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Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
3-8 gives oli a career losing record (regular season only).
4-7 gives him an all games (playoffs included) losing record.
4-7 gives him an all games (playoffs included) losing record.
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Flint Rhem grins.BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 amIt would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
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They played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 amIt would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.
I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.
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I see what you did there.craviduce wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 11:07 am I need more Rain and a little win streak to realize my 80-80 prediction. 3 years and running...that's been my prediction.
but since it was confirmed/realized that we can indeed win the Draft Lottery this winter, I'm all for bottom 5 record....we're only 2 1/2 games out of 5th place.
not a lot of games left, so it would be a Little Tank....call it a Stuart.![]()
Well done.
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A .500 team throwing in the towel with 2 months left in the season. Mr Bloom brings that East coast mentality to St Louis. Perhaps he will impress in the off season but at the moment show me.Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:57 amWas the July 31 decision really a bad one? What does the team gain winning 83 games and missing the playoffs then losing the pitchers to free agency for little to nothing?ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:12 am The franchise guaranteed a losing season on July 31.
Better get some pitching between now and April 2026.
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None of that is relavent to the present. As of 9/16/25, finishing the season with a flourish to achieve .500 would provide a psychological high to the organization, going into the offseason.Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:38 pmThey played above their station in May, going 19-8. It left them statistically tied for the 2nd WC spot. And they went from 8 above .500 on 5/31 to 5 below it as of last night.BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 amIt would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
They went 15-11 last September, posting their best winning % of the season, by month, to finish 4 games above .500. And they're going to have a worse record in 2025.
I don't see the "high" at work in any of this.
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Wow, Flint Rhem! One of things I love about Cardinals history is the rich cadre of characters. He's one of them. You don't here his name as often as one would expect. He was a leading starter on four Cardinal pennant winners, including the lone 20-game winner on the '26 champions. But he was never used much in the World Series. Too drunk or too sore or both?butsir01 wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 14:29 pmFlint Rhem grins.BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 10:31 amIt would be great to see the Cardinals make a successful run at .500. It would send the club into the offseason on a high, and an added air of confidence going into ST. Could someone kidnap Fernandez please?ramfandan wrote: ↑16 Sep 2025 08:05 am With 73-78 record, the Cardinals would need an unbelievable finish to reach .500 . The odds of that aren't much better than winning the Powerball .
More laughable might be ending with a winning season of 82-80 , that takes a 9-2 .
More likely MAY (noticed MAY in caps) be a 4-7 finish to end at 77- 85 .
Last year's record in 2024 was 83-79
Two years ago Oli Marmol's team was 71-91
It appears for the last three years the cumulative W-L will be a losing record .
Chaim Bloom has a tough task to turn the franchise around.
Back to the topic at hand, maybe Fernandez just needs to go out on a Flint Rhem bender. Someone send that man a fith of rye.
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Re: Takes 8-3 to avoid losing season
I would say 3-8 is more likely than 8-3