We are watching a AAA team

[sikeston bulldog2]

A team in ML baseball that sits at .500 is considered a success. More can be achieved. We are doing this with no stars and no face of the team. We will be competitive with a few key additions.

The question truly is- what holds this team together.

Not to me. Like in hockey when you tie "it's like kissing your sister".

Big difference between a tie in a single game verse a season worth of games. My point was, .500 seems to be a threshold a measuring point. Since it’s borderline above .500, success is more a realism than failure.

If this was the 2004 team, yes, dimmed success at .500. But if this was the 2011 team, .500 was a realism.

I have to disagree, .500 is also borderline below .500 which is very mediocre in my opinion. Agree they have no stars and for the biggest part of this season have been very boring to watch play, thus the low attendance.

Our only difference here is- very. As in very mediocre. I see .500 as borderline success. Mediocre. You see it a degree below success. Very mediocre.

I'm an old "die hard" fan that has seen the good and the bad thru the years. In the past they had a star or two you could really cheer for even when losing. I don't really see a future star on this team, that why I hope Crooks, Winn, Walker, Scot II and Church may be that person. Right now, there is not one player I would pay to go see. A .500 season is the results of no stars and boring baseball in my opinion. There have been many games this year I've felt like they could have won with just a little more talent on the team. It will be difficult to trade mediocre talent for very good talent. And it will take a few years to develop the talent and stars needed to get people to attend games. Being .500 is yes mediocre.

Good write.

[Cranny]

A team in ML baseball that sits at .500 is considered a success. More can be achieved. We are doing this with no stars and no face of the team. We will be competitive with a few key additions.

The question truly is- what holds this team together.

Not to me. Like in hockey when you tie "it's like kissing your sister".

Big difference between a tie in a single game verse a season worth of games. My point was, .500 seems to be a threshold a measuring point. Since it’s borderline above .500, success is more a realism than failure.

If this was the 2004 team, yes, dimmed success at .500. But if this was the 2011 team, .500 was a realism.

I have to disagree, .500 is also borderline below .500 which is very mediocre in my opinion. Agree they have no stars and for the biggest part of this season have been very boring to watch play, thus the low attendance.

Our only difference here is- very. As in very mediocre. I see .500 as borderline success. Mediocre. You see it a degree below success. Very mediocre.

I'm an old "die hard" fan that has seen the good and the bad thru the years. In the past they had a star or two you could really cheer for even when losing. I don't really see a future star on this team, that why I hope Crooks, Winn, Walker, Scot II and Church may be that person. Right now, there is not one player I would pay to go see. A .500 season is the results of no stars and boring baseball in my opinion. There have been many games this year I've felt like they could have won with just a little more talent on the team. It will be difficult to trade mediocre talent for very good talent. And it will take a few years to develop the talent and stars needed to get people to attend games. Being .500 is yes mediocre.

Good write.

It’s all in one’s perspective, dawg. Some people enjoy watching the young players who are striving to achieve their highest MLB ceiling as they approach their most productive MLB years. And who also enjoy following the minor leaguers who are developing as they come through the system. Seems to me it’s far more enjoyable and constructive than consistent depressing, destructive negativity.

[desertrat23]

Again...if you're happy with a boring, mediocre team, good for you...but the fans are showing they are tired of this [censored]...only a few front office (donkey) kissers are happy with a 500 team...

I hear ya. .500 is mediocre. Especially with a franchise of such great expectations. I remember many years of the climb to just reach .500. Seemed Herculaneum.

I also think it’s a measure of season success. For many teams. It has a place.

As for the fans, they are tired of living in the 70’s/90’s type environment. Many haven’t seen it like this. Could get worse.

It has a place for some markets. .500 should NEVER be considered a measure of success in St. Louis. The owner even said so back when he cared and he fired Mike Matheny.

[Cranny]

Again...if you're happy with a boring, mediocre team, good for you...but the fans are showing they are tired of this [censored]...only a few front office (donkey) kissers are happy with a 500 team...

I hear ya. .500 is mediocre. Especially with a franchise of such great expectations. I remember many years of the climb to just reach .500. Seemed Herculaneum.

I also think it’s a measure of season success. For many teams. It has a place.

As for the fans, they are tired of living in the 70’s/90’s type environment. Many haven’t seen it like this. Could get worse.

It has a place for some markets. .500 should NEVER be considered a measure of success in St. Louis. The owner even said so back when he cared and he fired Mike Matheny.

In 10 years as a major league manager, Mike Matheny won 756 games and lost 693. Career .522 winning percentage.

[desertrat23]

Again...if you're happy with a boring, mediocre team, good for you...but the fans are showing they are tired of this [censored]...only a few front office (donkey) kissers are happy with a 500 team...

I hear ya. .500 is mediocre. Especially with a franchise of such great expectations. I remember many years of the climb to just reach .500. Seemed Herculaneum.

I also think it’s a measure of season success. For many teams. It has a place.

As for the fans, they are tired of living in the 70’s/90’s type environment. Many haven’t seen it like this. Could get worse.

It has a place for some markets. .500 should NEVER be considered a measure of success in St. Louis. The owner even said so back when he cared and he fired Mike Matheny.

In 10 years as a major league manager, Mike Matheny won 756 games and lost 693. Career .522 winning percentage.

He also cost us a World Series one year and an NLCS the following year because of his weak tactical skills. But this isn’t about Matheny — it’s about an owner who cared about living up to the standards of the Cardinals, which is something he is no longer interested in doing.

[Cranny]

Again...if you're happy with a boring, mediocre team, good for you...but the fans are showing they are tired of this [censored]...only a few front office (donkey) kissers are happy with a 500 team...

I hear ya. .500 is mediocre. Especially with a franchise of such great expectations. I remember many years of the climb to just reach .500. Seemed Herculaneum.

I also think it’s a measure of season success. For many teams. It has a place.

As for the fans, they are tired of living in the 70’s/90’s type environment. Many haven’t seen it like this. Could get worse.

It has a place for some markets. .500 should NEVER be considered a measure of success in St. Louis. The owner even said so back when he cared and he fired Mike Matheny.

In 10 years as a major league manager, Mike Matheny won 756 games and lost 693. Career .522 winning percentage.

He also cost us a World Series one year and an NLCS the following year because of his weak tactical skills. But this isn’t about Matheny — it’s about an owner who cared about living up to the standards of the Cardinals, which is something he is no longer interested in doing.

The competition and market have changed, rat.
Can’t do it through FA signings. Only through prospect development and trades.

[OldRed]

Here we go again, another thread hi-jacked about how great Matheny was as a manager.

[Cranny]

Here we go again, another thread hi-jacked about how great Matheny was as a manager.

I didn’t bring up Matheny….desertrat did.

[desertrat23]

Here we go again, another thread hi-jacked about how great Matheny was as a manager.

I didn’t bring up Matheny….desertrat did.

The word “Matheny” does not require a full-throated defense of the man. I mentioned him only in the context of when BDW commented that being .500 was not acceptable.

[hugeCardfan]

Here we go again, another thread hi-jacked about how great Matheny was as a manager.

How far did you want a thread claiming that a club playing .500 was AAA caliber to go?

In the old days when we had a mediocre club we simply grinned and bore it until the team got better which it always did....eventually. This team will do the same in a few years. There's plenty of talent waiting in the wings.

I get that an 80 year old doesn't have much patience for mediocrity, but it isn't like the team isn't competitive or isn't attempting to get better. Denying that is disingenuous.

[Bomber1]

Here we go again, another thread hi-jacked about how great Matheny was as a manager.

I didn’t bring up Matheny….desertrat did.

Wow.

Desertrat used DeWitt’s own words from when DeWitt fired Matheny, and you immediately spout your Matheny mantra.

You just can’t help yourself Cranny.

[Cranny]

Here we go again, another thread hi-jacked about how great Matheny was as a manager.

How far did you want a thread claiming that a club playing .500 was AAA caliber to go?

In the old days when we had a mediocre club we simply grinned and bore it until the team got better which it always did....eventually. This team will do the same in a few years. There's plenty of talent waiting in the wings.

I get that an 80 year old doesn't have much patience for mediocrity, but it isn't like the team isn't competitive or isn't attempting to get better. Denying that is disingenuous.

Right on, hugeCardfan.

[OldRed]

Here we go again, another thread hi-jacked about how great Matheny was as a manager.

How far did you want a thread claiming that a club playing .500 was AAA caliber to go?

In the old days when we had a mediocre club we simply grinned and bore it until the team got better which it always did....eventually. This team will do the same in a few years. There's plenty of talent waiting in the wings.

I get that an 80 year old doesn't have much patience for mediocrity, but it isn't like the team isn't competitive or isn't attempting to get better. Denying that is disingenuous.

Right on, hugeCardfan.

I believe the lack fans attending games this have spoken. Not just two random posters.

[Cranny]

Here we go again, another thread hi-jacked about how great Matheny was as a manager.

How far did you want a thread claiming that a club playing .500 was AAA caliber to go?

In the old days when we had a mediocre club we simply grinned and bore it until the team got better which it always did....eventually. This team will do the same in a few years. There's plenty of talent waiting in the wings.

I get that an 80 year old doesn't have much patience for mediocrity, but it isn't like the team isn't competitive or isn't attempting to get better. Denying that is disingenuous.

Right on, hugeCardfan.

I believe the lack fans attending games this have spoken. Not just two random posters.

Well, one can constantly complain (which solves nothing), or one can dig into the facts to see how the higher level prospects are responding to the increase in traveling specialty instructors and enhanced training equipment.

[desertrat23]

Here we go again, another thread hi-jacked about how great Matheny was as a manager.

How far did you want a thread claiming that a club playing .500 was AAA caliber to go?

In the old days when we had a mediocre club we simply grinned and bore it until the team got better which it always did....eventually. This team will do the same in a few years. There's plenty of talent waiting in the wings.

I get that an 80 year old doesn't have much patience for mediocrity, but it isn't like the team isn't competitive or isn't attempting to get better. Denying that is disingenuous.

Right on, hugeCardfan.

I believe the lack fans attending games this have spoken. Not just two random posters.

Well, one can constantly complain (which solves nothing), or one can dig into the facts to see how the higher level prospects are responding to the increase in traveling specialty instructors and enhanced training equipment.

It’s always amazing to me how eager you are to give these people credit for putting out a fire that they intentionally started.

[Cranny]

Here we go again, another thread hi-jacked about how great Matheny was as a manager.

How far did you want a thread claiming that a club playing .500 was AAA caliber to go?

In the old days when we had a mediocre club we simply grinned and bore it until the team got better which it always did....eventually. This team will do the same in a few years. There's plenty of talent waiting in the wings.

I get that an 80 year old doesn't have much patience for mediocrity, but it isn't like the team isn't competitive or isn't attempting to get better. Denying that is disingenuous.

Right on, hugeCardfan.

I believe the lack fans attending games this have spoken. Not just two random posters.

Well, one can constantly complain (which solves nothing), or one can dig into the facts to see how the higher level prospects are responding to the increase in traveling specialty instructors and enhanced training equipment.

It’s always amazing to me how eager you are to give these people credit for putting out a fire that they intentionally started.

Constant negativity solves nothing. Unless it’s just for you if you need the continuously vent.