Safety in St. Louis

[sneptsmoustache]

In a situation where it would get reported if Blues fans were being preyed on en route to and from games, and that is absolutely not a thing, this question was risibly framed IMO.

I think Bruce deserves the benefit of doubt.

Perhaps .... and then he generalized didn't he? There was one person objecting and look how inaptly he labeled that. Part and parcel with this guy. Bruce is someone who doesn't look too closely. He's a generalizer, and he's afraid, which isn't merely a pitiful state of emasculation it's also a toxically evil combination in this world. It's everyone's responsibility to not be some afraid little bi tch because then you hurt people behind your little ignorant fears. We already know this about people, it's evident constantly now, it is utterly risible

Dude. We talked about this. The guy was asking a question, he may know nothing about St. Louis beyond what he's read online. Are you drunk posting? Close your laptop down and slowwwwwwwly back away from the computer. For your sake.

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

What year did this take place?

[The Average Gatsby]

I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

What year did this take place?

Why would that matter?

[theograce]

I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

What year did this take place?

Why would that matter?

Agreed.

[Red7]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

A lot of people take their Metrolink from Lambert EVERY DAY and are not robbed, murdered, or harmed in any way. The same with from Union Station to the Arch. Now, I would avoid it late at night and it’s senseless to ride it the short distance from the Drury to Enterprise. However, I highly recommend getting a multi-day pass and using the he77 out of it.

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

What year did this take place?

Why would that matter?

Because I'm curious. Is that ok with you?

[The Average Gatsby]

I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

What year did this take place?

Why would that matter?

Because I'm curious. Is that ok with you?

Sure. But what are you hoping to glean from that info?

[rezero]

My son lives 3 blocks from Enterprise and rides the metrolink every day to work near Wash U, plus every time he travels out of town he rides it to the airport. He has never had one issue in 5 years. I have ridden it 3 times from airport to near Enterprise and again never had a single issue.

It seems like most of the “metro will get you killed” responses are from people who lives in the burbs and have never rode it once.

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

What year did this take place?

Why would that matter?

Because I'm curious. Is that ok with you?

Sure. But what are you hoping to glean from that info?

Knowledge and details.

[Natl20]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

LMAO

[seattleblue]

95 and 96. I heard Yzerman's goal on a shortwave radio in my tent behind a church in Senatobia Mississippi. I didn't bring a radio the first year, I just stopped in New Hampshire and watched them lose to Vancouver in 7. But then they got Gretzky so I had to bring a radio the second year

[Harry York 37]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

WOW! Over react Much? If you are with Blues fans at night you'll be fine. From the airport to downtown in the daytime it will be ok. There are plenty of commuters on there.

the city terrifies me sir. are you sure it will be ok if I go there?

tell me I'll be ok, I want to participate in your thing but I don't want to Get Hurt or Get Robbed!!!

Just my opinion: you're too high-quality of a poster to post douchey stuff like this. There's no upside for you. The guy is just asking a question. No need to mock people who hear that St. Louis is dangerous and ask a few questions about his and his wife's safety.

While I totally appreciate that, it's one of my substantive buttons. I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

"Safety in St. Louis" really man? Even if you're interested in getting this feedback the headline is really provocative to people who aren't total va ginas

Dude… you walking alone as a young man 30 years ago is not in the same ballpark as a grown man with a wife to consider taking a local city train through the second most deadly patch of land in the nation.

Find a better target for your crusade, this guy was asking an honest question and you likely, soured him on the town worse than anything else written here.Hell, you don’t even live there, but you feel your snark has no retictions and no boundaries.
What happened to you?

Perspective is a wonderful tool in most every discussion.

[The Average Gatsby]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

WOW! Over react Much? If you are with Blues fans at night you'll be fine. From the airport to downtown in the daytime it will be ok. There are plenty of commuters on there.

the city terrifies me sir. are you sure it will be ok if I go there?

tell me I'll be ok, I want to participate in your thing but I don't want to Get Hurt or Get Robbed!!!

Just my opinion: you're too high-quality of a poster to post douchey stuff like this. There's no upside for you. The guy is just asking a question. No need to mock people who hear that St. Louis is dangerous and ask a few questions about his and his wife's safety.

While I totally appreciate that, it's one of my substantive buttons. I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

"Safety in St. Louis" really man? Even if you're interested in getting this feedback the headline is really provocative to people who aren't total va ginas

Dude… you walking alone as a young man 30 years ago is not in the same ballpark as a grown man with a wife to consider taking a local city train through the second most deadly patch of land in the nation.

It is different now because it’s safer than it was back in 90’s. Crime is at like a 50 year low in the US. It’s down in St. Louis also. Some folks will always be afraid of cities and public transportation but that’s their problem. I’ve personally never had any issues in Stl or any of the other cities I’ve lived in or visited.

[callitwhatyouwant]

St. Louis is an interesting place when it comes to this topic. I have never experienced anything bad first hand that I can think of and I would take the metro from north county to the game a fair amount. Did it all thru the 90s to 2010ish. Now I don't live there so even when I'm in town and have a chance to catch a sporting event, usually riding with a buddy or something. Anyways, things get blown out of proportion all the time. But it's because there are examples that are just so ridiculous you can't fathom how it happens multiple times. And the news loves to blow up a sad story. I remember 2 or 3 years ago when the armory or whatever that place is opened up and multiple weekends in a row the cars all had their windows broken into and robbed. Because it happens multiple times, it becomes a big event.

There are examples of the metrolink being unsafe I'm sure. But there's no way it can be much different than the L in Chicago outside of the amount of traffic it gets. I've seen people pooping themselves, riding for fun etc. on the L. You know there's some crime aspect to what is happening there. I say all this because, when you walk outside your door, you are going to experience some sort of risk. Being smart applies to anywhere. I wouldn't go driving thru the east side at night. But doesn't mean you can't drive thru there during the day.

[Harry York 37]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

WOW! Over react Much? If you are with Blues fans at night you'll be fine. From the airport to downtown in the daytime it will be ok. There are plenty of commuters on there.

the city terrifies me sir. are you sure it will be ok if I go there?

tell me I'll be ok, I want to participate in your thing but I don't want to Get Hurt or Get Robbed!!!

Just my opinion: you're too high-quality of a poster to post douchey stuff like this. There's no upside for you. The guy is just asking a question. No need to mock people who hear that St. Louis is dangerous and ask a few questions about his and his wife's safety.

While I totally appreciate that, it's one of my substantive buttons. I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

"Safety in St. Louis" really man? Even if you're interested in getting this feedback the headline is really provocative to people who aren't total va ginas

Dude… you walking alone as a young man 30 years ago is not in the same ballpark as a grown man with a wife to consider taking a local city train through the second most deadly patch of land in the nation.

It is different now because it’s safer than it was back in 90’s. Crime is at like a 50 year low in the US. It’s down in St. Louis also. Some folks will always be afraid of cities and public transportation but that’s their problem. I’ve personally never had any issues in Stl or any of the other cities I’ve lived in or visited.

It’s not the same for a young male with nothing to lose and almost everything to learn from this reckless and thrilling journey than it for a man of older age and with the responsibility of a spouse.
Do you not see this?

As far as America being safer?
Well, with the prison industrial complex making billions and bribing the politicians and judges to solve any and all low income problems with jail time… it might be. We have about the largest per capita incarceration rate in the free world ( if you can call America free these days).
What a statistic to be ashamed of, in my opinion.

As a youth, I took loads of chances and lived to tell the tale. Would I as a forty year old man have done those things and would I have taken my wife along for those rides?
What do you think?

I would at the very minimum ask what the arrogant among us would call a “stupid “ question.

[The Average Gatsby]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

WOW! Over react Much? If you are with Blues fans at night you'll be fine. From the airport to downtown in the daytime it will be ok. There are plenty of commuters on there.

the city terrifies me sir. are you sure it will be ok if I go there?

tell me I'll be ok, I want to participate in your thing but I don't want to Get Hurt or Get Robbed!!!

Just my opinion: you're too high-quality of a poster to post douchey stuff like this. There's no upside for you. The guy is just asking a question. No need to mock people who hear that St. Louis is dangerous and ask a few questions about his and his wife's safety.

While I totally appreciate that, it's one of my substantive buttons. I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

"Safety in St. Louis" really man? Even if you're interested in getting this feedback the headline is really provocative to people who aren't total va ginas

Dude… you walking alone as a young man 30 years ago is not in the same ballpark as a grown man with a wife to consider taking a local city train through the second most deadly patch of land in the nation.

It is different now because it’s safer than it was back in 90’s. Crime is at like a 50 year low in the US. It’s down in St. Louis also. Some folks will always be afraid of cities and public transportation but that’s their problem. I’ve personally never had any issues in Stl or any of the other cities I’ve lived in or visited.

It’s not the same for a young male with nothing to lose and almost everything to learn from this reckless and thrilling journey than it for a man of older age and with the responsibility of a spouse.
Do you not see this?

Your point about having a family is taken. I just don't think it's reckless or thrilling to use the metrolink or walk from union station to the enterprise center.

I agree with you about mass incarceration in the US. It is incredibly shameful that we that lock up more people than any other democracy in the world. I also don't think that's what drove down crime either. Crime has been on a pretty steady decline since we removed lead from gasoline in the 90's so I'd say that's the most likely cause.