For all the people wanting Marmol gone

[desertrat23]

I personally don't care. I want Bloom to install who he likes best. There just needs to be a flushing of this system and you can't do it keeping Oli at the helm.

Canning him is the easiest way to signal to fans that you know that there's a major issue, you hear them and are trying a different path. Just the idea of bringing him back optically looks like, as a team, you like where we're going. If you want any fans in the stadium next year that cannot be the message

The only thing that would be worse than keeping him would be a repeat of Mozeliak’s moronic statement after extending Marmol in early ‘24 - “we don’t want pressure on him to win”.

Same owner and front office who fired Matheny who never had a losing season.

Matheny was under appreciated.

Opponents appreciated him. Heck, he gave the 2013 Red Sox a world championship and the 2014 Giants the National League pennant. What’s not to like?

[ScotchMIrish]

I personally don't care. I want Bloom to install who he likes best. There just needs to be a flushing of this system and you can't do it keeping Oli at the helm.

Canning him is the easiest way to signal to fans that you know that there's a major issue, you hear them and are trying a different path. Just the idea of bringing him back optically looks like, as a team, you like where we're going. If you want any fans in the stadium next year that cannot be the message

The only thing that would be worse than keeping him would be a repeat of Mozeliak’s moronic statement after extending Marmol in early ‘24 - “we don’t want pressure on him to win”.

Same owner and front office who fired Matheny who never had a losing season.

Matheny was under appreciated.

Opponents appreciated him. Heck, he gave the 2013 Red Sox a world championship and the 2014 Giants the National League pennant. What’s not to like?

Scoreboard.

LaRussa's final 6 seasons with Pujols
2006 - 83
2007 - 78
2008 - 86
2009 - 91
2010 - 86
2011 - 90
________
514

Matheny's 6 seasons without Pujols
2012 - 88
2013 - 97
2014 - 90
2015 - 100
2016 - 86
2017 - 83
________
544

LaRussa's first 6 seasons without Pujols
1996 - 88
1997 - 73
1998 - 83
1999 - 75
2000 - 95
2001 - 93
________
507

6 seasons after Matheny
2019 - 91
covid 30-28 extrapolate to 162 = 84
2021 - 90
2022 - 93
2023 - 71
2024 - 83
________
512

[JuanAgosto]

You should note that Tony's last 6 seasons included 2 WS titles.

[Cranny]

Matheny was undermined by several players who didn’t like his constant push for 110%+ effort.

[rockondlouie]

Matheny was undermined by several players who didn’t like his constant push for 110%+ effort.

Matheny was a pitiful manager carried by the veterans from a World Series winning team he inherited.

He preceded to drive the Rolls Royce over the cliff.

Horribly Manager, right up there w/Oli.

[ramfandan]

Matheny was undermined by several players who didn’t like his constant push for 110%+ effort.

Maybe because athletes know there is no such thing as 110% effort.
100% is max and a coach/manager stating 110% + comes across as phony to the player.
100% in anything is the ultimate.

[Ozziesfan41]

I personally don't care. I want Bloom to install who he likes best. There just needs to be a flushing of this system and you can't do it keeping Oli at the helm.

Canning him is the easiest way to signal to fans that you know that there's a major issue, you hear them and are trying a different path. Just the idea of bringing him back optically looks like, as a team, you like where we're going. If you want any fans in the stadium next year that cannot be the message

The only thing that would be worse than keeping him would be a repeat of Mozeliak’s moronic statement after extending Marmol in early ‘24 - “we don’t want pressure on him to win”.

Same owner and front office who fired Matheny who never had a losing season.

Matheny was under appreciated.

Opponents appreciated him. Heck, he gave the 2013 Red Sox a world championship and the 2014 Giants the National League pennant. What’s not to like?

lol

[Melville]

If you are one of what seems to be the majority of posters here who want Marmol gone, who is your wish list of candidates?

The Marmot is terrible.
Period.
Whoever replaces him must have zero previous connection to the STL organization.
The WORST thing the team could do is make a stupid legacy marketing play involving the likes of Yad-I or Pujols.
Such a move would be toxic and would further damage the franchise for many years.
It would also be a mistake to turn to familiar organization retreads - Jay, Descalso, etc.
STL needs an experienced, respected, tough leader
My preferred candidates would include Ausmus, Mattingly, Gibbons, Bochy.
Possibly Weiss.

[Bomber1]

If you are one of what seems to be the majority of posters here who want Marmol gone, who is your wish list of candidates?

The Marmot is terrible.
Period.
Whoever replaces him must have zero previous connection to the STL organization.
The WORST thing the team could do is make a stupid legacy marketing play involving the likes of Yad-I or Pujols.
Such a move would be toxic and would further damage the franchise for many years.
It would also be a mistake to turn to familiar organization retreads - Jay, Descalso, etc.
STL needs an experienced, respected, tough leader
My preferred candidates would include Ausmus, Mattingly, Gibbons, Bochy.
Possibly Weiss.

I agree with your thinking that the next manager should not have ANY previous ties to the Cardinals.
The last manager they hired with zero ties to the organization won 2 World Series.

I hope Bloom agrees with us.

[Ozziesfan41]

Matheny was undermined by several players who didn’t like his constant push for 110%+ effort.

Matheny himself said he struggled with communication when he was hired by the royals and said he worked on improving before being hired. Good communication skills is one of the most important things a manager needs to be good at

[Melville]

If you are one of what seems to be the majority of posters here who want Marmol gone, who is your wish list of candidates?

The Marmot is terrible.
Period.
Whoever replaces him must have zero previous connection to the STL organization.
The WORST thing the team could do is make a stupid legacy marketing play involving the likes of Yad-I or Pujols.
Such a move would be toxic and would further damage the franchise for many years.
It would also be a mistake to turn to familiar organization retreads - Jay, Descalso, etc.
STL needs an experienced, respected, tough leader
My preferred candidates would include Ausmus, Mattingly, Gibbons, Bochy.
Possibly Weiss.

I agree with your thinking that the next manager should not have ANY previous ties to the Cardinals.
The last manager they hired with zero ties to the organization won 2 World Series.

I hope Bloom agrees with us.

If he doesn't, the team will fail to content next year.
As certain as your next heartbeat.

[Cranny]

Matheny was undermined by several players who didn’t like his constant push for 110%+ effort.

Matheny was a pitiful manager carried by the veterans from a World Series winning team he inherited.

He preceded to drive the Rolls Royce over the cliff.

Horribly Manager, right up there w/Oli.

We can agree to disagree on our OPINIONS of what type of manager Matheny was. That's fine.

[rockondlouie]

Matheny was undermined by several players who didn’t like his constant push for 110%+ effort.

Matheny was a pitiful manager carried by the veterans from a World Series winning team he inherited.

He preceded to drive the Rolls Royce over the cliff.

Horribly Manager, right up there w/Oli.

We can agree to disagree on our OPINIONS of what type of manager Matheny was. That's fine.

Agreed

[Mr.Snuggleupagus]

Tom Herr

[Adam2]

If you are one of what seems to be the majority of posters here who want Marmol gone, who is your wish list of candidates?

The Marmot is terrible.
Period.
Whoever replaces him must have zero previous connection to the STL organization.
The WORST thing the team could do is make a stupid legacy marketing play involving the likes of Yad-I or Pujols.
Such a move would be toxic and would further damage the franchise for many years.
It would also be a mistake to turn to familiar organization retreads - Jay, Descalso, etc.
STL needs an experienced, respected, tough leader
My preferred candidates would include Ausmus, Mattingly, Gibbons, Bochy.
Possibly Weiss.

I do like Mattingly, he did well in an awful situation in Miami. What are your thoughts on Varitek?

[Melville]

If you are one of what seems to be the majority of posters here who want Marmol gone, who is your wish list of candidates?

The Marmot is terrible.
Period.
Whoever replaces him must have zero previous connection to the STL organization.
The WORST thing the team could do is make a stupid legacy marketing play involving the likes of Yad-I or Pujols.
Such a move would be toxic and would further damage the franchise for many years.
It would also be a mistake to turn to familiar organization retreads - Jay, Descalso, etc.
STL needs an experienced, respected, tough leader
My preferred candidates would include Ausmus, Mattingly, Gibbons, Bochy.
Possibly Weiss.

I do like Mattingly, he did well in an awful situation in Miami. What are your thoughts on Varitek?

Never been a manager.
Never been a bench coach.
Appears to have been primarily involved in scouting/video/data for game preparation.
Has been retired more than a decade and his coaching career has not really shown advance or progress.
He is a huge question mark who may or may not be managerial material.
That is not a risk STL can afford to take.