Safety in St. Louis

[Bubble4427]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

WOW! Over react Much? If you are with Blues fans at night you'll be fine. From the airport to downtown in the daytime it will be ok. There are plenty of commuters on there.

the city terrifies me sir. are you sure it will be ok if I go there?

tell me I'll be ok, I want to participate in your thing but I don't want to Get Hurt or Get Robbed!!!

Just my opinion: you're too high-quality of a poster to post douchey stuff like this. There's no upside for you. The guy is just asking a question. No need to mock people who hear that St. Louis is dangerous and ask a few questions about his and his wife's safety.

While I totally appreciate that, it's one of my substantive buttons. I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

"Safety in St. Louis" really man? Even if you're interested in getting this feedback the headline is really provocative to people who aren't total va ginas

Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is that there are many publications out there that name St. Louis as the number one city when it comes to murder/violent crime. Sorry, but that is a badge that we just have to wear until things change. Criticizing a poster who is not familiar with the area and is concerned about where it’s safe to go with his family is just weak IMO.

To even ask the question “Is it safe?” Shouldn’t come of as being racist (yes, I went there) either. The guy who will be a visitor to our city to watch our team was concerned about safety….help the guy out or just stay out of it. Sorry, I normally have no problem with you as a poster…..but your post missed the mark. St. Louis (especially Downtown) has become a chit hole that has a crime problem. St. Louisans need to own it.

[BudOnTap]

as others have mentioned, it's a much better idea to uber from the airport and avoid the metrolink. walking from union station to the game is no big deal, everyone else does that.

ride the ferris wheel, get dinner over on the hill, go to ted drewes (also near the hill) for some frozen custard. enjoy your visit.

[Bubble4427]

Thank you, everyone, for your quick replies! They are very helpful. It is just one more reason why I enjoy this forum!

Bruce

Just my 2 cents…

Metro link from the airport…you should be fine IMO but I’m sure it’s safer if you Uber….much like any other city public transportation vs Uber.
Enterprise from Union Station you should have no issues as well. Also, before or after the game, you might want to stop in to Maggie O’Briens. It is literally right next door to Union Station (in the opposite direction from Enterprise). Good Times, Great food, and cold beer.

Hope the Blues bring home wins during your stay.

LGB!

[WeWentBlues0819]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

WOW! Over react Much? If you are with Blues fans at night you'll be fine. From the airport to downtown in the daytime it will be ok. There are plenty of commuters on there.

the city terrifies me sir. are you sure it will be ok if I go there?

tell me I'll be ok, I want to participate in your thing but I don't want to Get Hurt or Get Robbed!!!

Just my opinion: you're too high-quality of a poster to post douchey stuff like this. There's no upside for you. The guy is just asking a question. No need to mock people who hear that St. Louis is dangerous and ask a few questions about his and his wife's safety.

While I totally appreciate that, it's one of my substantive buttons. I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

"Safety in St. Louis" really man? Even if you're interested in getting this feedback the headline is really provocative to people who aren't total va ginas

Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is that there are many publications out there that name St. Louis as the number one city when it comes to murder/violent crime. Sorry, but that is a badge that we just have to wear until things change. Criticizing a poster who is not familiar with the area and is concerned about where it’s safe to go with his family is just weak IMO.

To even ask the question “Is it safe?” Shouldn’t come of as being racist (yes, I went there) either. The guy who will be a visitor to our city to watch our team was concerned about safety….help the guy out or just stay out of it. Sorry, I normally have no problem with you as a poster…..but your post missed the mark. St. Louis (especially Downtown) has become a chit hole that has a crime problem. St. Louisans need to own it.

It is very misleading because of the way it is counted. Saint Louis is considerably more safe than places like Chicago.

[seattleblue]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

WOW! Over react Much? If you are with Blues fans at night you'll be fine. From the airport to downtown in the daytime it will be ok. There are plenty of commuters on there.

the city terrifies me sir. are you sure it will be ok if I go there?

tell me I'll be ok, I want to participate in your thing but I don't want to Get Hurt or Get Robbed!!!

Just my opinion: you're too high-quality of a poster to post douchey stuff like this. There's no upside for you. The guy is just asking a question. No need to mock people who hear that St. Louis is dangerous and ask a few questions about his and his wife's safety.

While I totally appreciate that, it's one of my substantive buttons. I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

"Safety in St. Louis" really man? Even if you're interested in getting this feedback the headline is really provocative to people who aren't total va ginas

Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is that there are many publications out there that name St. Louis as the number one city when it comes to murder/violent crime. Sorry, but that is a badge that we just have to wear until things change. Criticizing a poster who is not familiar with the area and is concerned about where it’s safe to go with his family is just weak IMO.

To even ask the question “Is it safe?” Shouldn’t come of as being racist (yes, I went there) either. The guy who will be a visitor to our city to watch our team was concerned about safety….help the guy out or just stay out of it. Sorry, I normally have no problem with you as a poster…..but your post missed the mark. St. Louis (especially Downtown) has become a chit hole that has a crime problem. St. Louisans need to own it.

I hear the point you and others are making, and I made my point too, and he got the info he needed. While I appreciate your perspective, relative crime statistics do not justify coming into a forum where you don't post and asking to be reassured that you won't be crimed in the city.

Let me just say that, as evidence I care about this topic, and as a man from Missouri who understood the concept of "Show Me," I heard talk all growing up about such dangers and I suspected something else but it was a hypothesis and so I decided to "Show Me" by going and doing it myself. I did have a handful of tense/dangerous encounters along the way and I walked through heavy duty urban areas like Philly, Baltimore, DC, Atlanta, New Orleans, St, Louis and zero of my tense encounters happened there.

In a situation where it would get reported if Blues fans were being preyed on en route to and from games, and that is absolutely not a thing, this question was risibly framed IMO.

[Bubble4427]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

It's incredibly dangerous, as city people are just waiting there to rob and hurt people who know how dangerous it is, I wouldn't chance it. As you already suspect, your stuff will get taken and you'll be in the hospital. Don't do it

WOW! Over react Much? If you are with Blues fans at night you'll be fine. From the airport to downtown in the daytime it will be ok. There are plenty of commuters on there.

the city terrifies me sir. are you sure it will be ok if I go there?

tell me I'll be ok, I want to participate in your thing but I don't want to Get Hurt or Get Robbed!!!

Just my opinion: you're too high-quality of a poster to post douchey stuff like this. There's no upside for you. The guy is just asking a question. No need to mock people who hear that St. Louis is dangerous and ask a few questions about his and his wife's safety.

While I totally appreciate that, it's one of my substantive buttons. I walked across the US without a weapon (or cell phone back then) through multiple urban areas when I was 23 so I think people who ask this question are a combination of afraid and maybe one other thing.

"Safety in St. Louis" really man? Even if you're interested in getting this feedback the headline is really provocative to people who aren't total va ginas

Whether you agree or disagree, the fact is that there are many publications out there that name St. Louis as the number one city when it comes to murder/violent crime. Sorry, but that is a badge that we just have to wear until things change. Criticizing a poster who is not familiar with the area and is concerned about where it’s safe to go with his family is just weak IMO.

To even ask the question “Is it safe?” Shouldn’t come of as being racist (yes, I went there) either. The guy who will be a visitor to our city to watch our team was concerned about safety….help the guy out or just stay out of it. Sorry, I normally have no problem with you as a poster…..but your post missed the mark. St. Louis (especially Downtown) has become a chit hole that has a crime problem. St. Louisans need to own it.

It is very misleading because of the way it is counted. Saint Louis is considerably more safe than places like Chicago.

I wouldn’t argue with that a bit. If St. Louis actually got their chit together they should combine with the county. They should have been combined 50 years ago. If they combined, we wouldn’t even be in the top 50. This post is getting political, which I hate,and has no place on this forum. Apologies.

[Absolut]

My wife and I will be traveling to St. Louis (from MA) this season for two Blues games. My concerns are about safety. Is it safe to use the Metro train to/from Lambert Field and also for the Gateway Arch? Is Uber a better alternative?

Also, is it safe to walk from the Drury Inn (at Union Station) to/from Enterprise Center, or should we take an Uber?

Bruce

If not too cold try to spend sometime in forest park- best zoo and it’s free. Museums free there too.

[STL fan in MN]

Thank you, everyone, for your quick replies! They are very helpful. It is just one more reason why I enjoy this forum!

Bruce

Just my 2 cents…

Metro link from the airport…you should be fine IMO but I’m sure it’s safer if you Uber….much like any other city public transportation vs Uber.
Enterprise from Union Station you should have no issues as well. Also, before or after the game, you might want to stop in to Maggie O’Briens. It is literally right next door to Union Station (in the opposite direction from Enterprise). Good Times, Great food, and cold beer.

Hope the Blues bring home wins during your stay.

LGB!

Yep, Maggie’s is always a good option as is Schlafly tap room if you’re willing to walk a couple more blocks. Lombardos has some good toasted ravs.

And agree on the zoo. The guy just said him and his wife but if you’re bringing kids the City Museum (it’s not actually a museum. More a multi-story jungle gym) is a must visit as well.

[BalotelliMassive]

In a situation where it would get reported if Blues fans were being preyed on en route to and from games, and that is absolutely not a thing, this question was risibly framed IMO.

We're had two very high profile cases of people from out of town being ran over by out of control drivers in the city recently - dangerous drivers is a pretty big problem right now - most don't have license plates/insurance.

[seattleblue]

In a situation where it would get reported if Blues fans were being preyed on en route to and from games, and that is absolutely not a thing, this question was risibly framed IMO.

We're had two very high profile cases of people from out of town being ran over by out of control drivers in the city recently - dangerous drivers is a pretty big problem right now - most don't have license plates/insurance.

Ok but there's no answer to this other than "look both ways and if there's still too big a risk from the out of control drivers, make that assessment and decide not to go." This was completely framed as "safety in the city, help me"

[BalotelliMassive]

In a situation where it would get reported if Blues fans were being preyed on en route to and from games, and that is absolutely not a thing, this question was risibly framed IMO.

We're had two very high profile cases of people from out of town being ran over by out of control drivers in the city recently - dangerous drivers is a pretty big problem right now - most don't have license plates/insurance.

Ok but there's no answer to this other than "look both ways and if there's still too big a risk from the out of control drivers, make that assessment and decide not to go." This was completely framed as "safety in the city, help me"

Do you currently live in St. Louis?

Even the mayor said it's a problem....

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 16db3.html

[DawgDad]

My adult daughter and her husband and young son recently took a tourist spin through St. Louis with another family. They stayed by the ballpark and, walking, stayed in the Union Station-Old Courthouse corridor. With lille kids they did not stay out late at night, took in a ballgame, drove to zoo and some other sights around Forest Park. We all agree in this mode St. Louis has quite a bit of tourist appeal.

Once, introducing my son-in-law to St. Louis, in two days we hit the Arch/Riverfront, Union Station, Shaw's Gardens, Zoo, Art Museum, Grant's Farm, The Hill to eat, and (no trip is complete without it) Ted Drewes. It was quite a whirlwind, no kids.

Ted Drewes is really something special. Go on a nice afternoon or evening and get out of your car! Milling around while you eat the best frozen custard in the world you'll meet some of the most friendly people in the world. You might encounter a wedding party (with a not too much in a hurry bride and groom) or even a busload of Nuns and theology students. Lots of parents and kids, plenty of older adults, too. It's a monument to traditional St. Louis family culture that marches on through the generations.

[seattleblue]

In a situation where it would get reported if Blues fans were being preyed on en route to and from games, and that is absolutely not a thing, this question was risibly framed IMO.

We're had two very high profile cases of people from out of town being ran over by out of control drivers in the city recently - dangerous drivers is a pretty big problem right now - most don't have license plates/insurance.

Ok but there's no answer to this other than "look both ways and if there's still too big a risk from the out of control drivers, make that assessment and decide not to go." This was completely framed as "safety in the city, help me"

Do you currently live in St. Louis?

Even the mayor said it's a problem....

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 16db3.html

I had not heard that the mayor was warning Blues fans of their safety which is what this thread is about, let's not get it off track. Whether I live in St. Louis currently is a fairly weak attempt to disqualify my opinion. as is the appeal to authority.

I am an audacious risk taker in life. I take audacious risks and IMO these are petty risks, they are nothing, based on hobgoblin fears with a very distinctly flavored undercurrent. My perspective, which I earned and I care about more than say, who the Blues should pick in the first round of the draft. I dedicated years of my life to it. Like I said I appreciate the difference of opinion but mine goes deep and I correctly respect the way I got to my opinion more than I respect how people found themselves at this fearful imagination place.

[aslord]

I have visited both St.Louis and Chicago over the last couple years and had zero concerns for safety in either visit, aside from a moment in the night when I was awoken from sleep by gunshots somewhere outside. Guess which of the 2 cities that was.

[netboy65]

My adult daughter and her husband and young son recently took a tourist spin through St. Louis with another family. They stayed by the ballpark and, walking, stayed in the Union Station-Old Courthouse corridor. With lille kids they did not stay out late at night, took in a ballgame, drove to zoo and some other sights around Forest Park. We all agree in this mode St. Louis has quite a bit of tourist appeal.

Once, introducing my son-in-law to St. Louis, in two days we hit the Arch/Riverfront, Union Station, Shaw's Gardens, Zoo, Art Museum, Grant's Farm, The Hill to eat, and (no trip is complete without it) Ted Drewes. It was quite a whirlwind, no kids.

Ted Drewes is really something special. Go on a nice afternoon or evening and get out of your car! Milling around while you eat the best frozen custard in the world you'll meet some of the most friendly people in the world. You might encounter a wedding party (with a not too much in a hurry bride and groom) or even a busload of Nuns and theology students. Lots of parents and kids, plenty of older adults, too. It's a monument to traditional St. Louis family culture that marches on through the generations.

Not to derail anything, but I’ve lived here my whole life and I’ve yet to see the fascination with Ted Drewes. I mean it’s good, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t see it as head and shoulders above any other place.

[seattleblue]

My adult daughter and her husband and young son recently took a tourist spin through St. Louis with another family. They stayed by the ballpark and, walking, stayed in the Union Station-Old Courthouse corridor. With lille kids they did not stay out late at night, took in a ballgame, drove to zoo and some other sights around Forest Park. We all agree in this mode St. Louis has quite a bit of tourist appeal.

Once, introducing my son-in-law to St. Louis, in two days we hit the Arch/Riverfront, Union Station, Shaw's Gardens, Zoo, Art Museum, Grant's Farm, The Hill to eat, and (no trip is complete without it) Ted Drewes. It was quite a whirlwind, no kids.

Ted Drewes is really something special. Go on a nice afternoon or evening and get out of your car! Milling around while you eat the best frozen custard in the world you'll meet some of the most friendly people in the world. You might encounter a wedding party (with a not too much in a hurry bride and groom) or even a busload of Nuns and theology students. Lots of parents and kids, plenty of older adults, too. It's a monument to traditional St. Louis family culture that marches on through the generations.

Not to derail anything, but I’ve lived here my whole life and I’ve yet to see the fascination with Ted Drewes. I mean it’s good, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t see it as head and shoulders above any other place.

give me a break