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Re: 2026 Manager

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Rule #1, Always bench a young player after having a good game.
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OldRed wrote: 01 Sep 2025 12:43 pm Rule #1, Always bench a young player after having a good game.
So he can bask in his glory!!!
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Jatalk wrote: 01 Sep 2025 08:04 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?
Don’t want to see a Yadi or Albert hire. I’m looking for experienced manager from outside the organization.
This.

Been saying it for 2 years.

No more hires from this failed system, no matter how many nostalgia tickets they may sell,
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Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Sep 2025 09:45 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?

Manager: Albert Pujols
Pitching Coach: Yadier Molina
Bench Coach: Daniel Descalso
OF Coach: Jon Jay
1st Base Coach: Stubby Clapp
IF Coach/3rd Base Coach: Jose Oquendo
Bullpen Coach: Chris Carpenter
Hitting Coach: Matt Holliday

To answer your question about Yadi....yes, I think he'd be done with Cards if we hired another former C over him.
I sincerely hope they do not follow your suggestion.
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Basil Shabazz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 10:21 am It’s toxic for a young player to see his boss hamming it up in the dugout when losing. It’s toxic for a young player to see his veteran mentors get thrown under the bus by their boss by their boss. It’s toxic for young players to see their boss not only accept, but reward and promote mediocrity.

I’m sure players do love not having to be held accountable privately. I’m sure they do love someone smiling and laughing when down by 8. They also love structure, discipline, and accountability when administered fairly and properly.

That’s as much as I’ll post about this. I’m not going to get into a childish and frivolous discussion with the king of frivolous back and forths.
Again just a baseless opinion
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Re: 2026 Manager

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Bomber1 wrote: 01 Sep 2025 13:39 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Sep 2025 09:45 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?

Manager: Albert Pujols
Pitching Coach: Yadier Molina
Bench Coach: Daniel Descalso
OF Coach: Jon Jay
1st Base Coach: Stubby Clapp
IF Coach/3rd Base Coach: Jose Oquendo
Bullpen Coach: Chris Carpenter
Hitting Coach: Matt Holliday

To answer your question about Yadi....yes, I think he'd be done with Cards if we hired another former C over him.
I sincerely hope they do not follow your suggestion.
Why not?
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Re: 2026 Manager

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Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Sep 2025 09:45 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?

Manager: Albert Pujols
Pitching Coach: Yadier Molina
Bench Coach: Daniel Descalso
OF Coach: Jon Jay
1st Base Coach: Stubby Clapp
IF Coach/3rd Base Coach: Jose Oquendo
Bullpen Coach: Chris Carpenter
Hitting Coach: Matt Holliday

To answer your question about Yadi....yes, I think he'd be done with Cards if we hired another former C over him.
I’d suggest different roles with some of those names:

Manager: Matt Holiday - already making millions as Boras personal coach and gets high reviews. Already turned down the same role with us and other teams.

Pitching coach: Chris Carpenter - who wouldn’t listen to him? They better anyway

Hitting coach: Pujols (see Carp comment)

Bullpen coach: Yadi - exposure to RP’ers and catchers.
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Re: 2026 Manager

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CorneliusWolfe wrote: 01 Sep 2025 14:14 pm
Cardinals4Life wrote: 01 Sep 2025 09:45 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?

Manager: Albert Pujols
Pitching Coach: Yadier Molina
Bench Coach: Daniel Descalso
OF Coach: Jon Jay
1st Base Coach: Stubby Clapp
IF Coach/3rd Base Coach: Jose Oquendo
Bullpen Coach: Chris Carpenter
Hitting Coach: Matt Holliday

To answer your question about Yadi....yes, I think he'd be done with Cards if we hired another former C over him.
I’d suggest different roles with some of those names:

Manager: Matt Holiday - already making millions as Boras personal coach and gets high reviews. Already turned down the same role with us and other teams.

Pitching coach: Chris Carpenter - who wouldn’t listen to him? They better anyway

Hitting coach: Pujols (see Carp comment)

Bullpen coach: Yadi - exposure to RP’ers and catchers.
Fair enough
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Re: 2026 Manager

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OldRed wrote: 01 Sep 2025 12:43 pm Rule #1, Always bench a young player after having a good game.
Sustaining success is not one of Oli’s main talking points.
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icon wrote: 01 Sep 2025 12:01 pm
ecleme22 wrote: 01 Sep 2025 08:05 am I would like Bloom to grab his guy, whoever that is.
Absolutely. Marmol is Mozeliak's guy, and if you remove Mozeliak's fingerprints on the organization...
This is the key. New guy in charge should hire his own people. The only exception is if the current staff was consistently winning. This staff consistently loses. Easy decision.
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OldRed wrote: 01 Sep 2025 12:43 pm Rule #1, Always bench a young player after having a good game.
Its a losing concept by a loser manager. There is a reason the guy may be under .500 for his career at the end of this season.
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moose-and-squirrel wrote: 01 Sep 2025 10:16 am
Bad14 wrote: 01 Sep 2025 10:09 am
Basil Shabazz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?
I don't want him back either but what proof do you have he's toxic?
yup.. from all accounts the players love him
They probably do. You have to wonder if anyone is held responsible. Terrible at bats, terrible base running. No one on this team knows what it takes to win. Throw the ball into left field, laugh. Put a player with no experience in left field, watch him struggle to make a catch, player smiling, coach smiling. Make lots of money, play terrible and nobody cares. Pretty good thing for the low talent athlete.
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How quickly after the season ends will they pick the new manager?
October or November?
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Bad14 wrote: 01 Sep 2025 14:12 pm
Basil Shabazz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 10:21 am It’s toxic for a young player to see his boss hamming it up in the dugout when losing. It’s toxic for a young player to see his veteran mentors get thrown under the bus by their boss by their boss. It’s toxic for young players to see their boss not only accept, but reward and promote mediocrity.

I’m sure players do love not having to be held accountable privately. I’m sure they do love someone smiling and laughing when down by 8. They also love structure, discipline, and accountability when administered fairly and properly.

That’s as much as I’ll post about this. I’m not going to get into a childish and frivolous discussion with the king of frivolous back and forths.
Again just a baseless opinion
I guess we all have them.

I know what I see though. I also know what I hear. I also see the results.
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Basil Shabazz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 15:56 pm
Bad14 wrote: 01 Sep 2025 14:12 pm
Basil Shabazz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 10:21 am It’s toxic for a young player to see his boss hamming it up in the dugout when losing. It’s toxic for a young player to see his veteran mentors get thrown under the bus by their boss by their boss. It’s toxic for young players to see their boss not only accept, but reward and promote mediocrity.

I’m sure players do love not having to be held accountable privately. I’m sure they do love someone smiling and laughing when down by 8. They also love structure, discipline, and accountability when administered fairly and properly.

That’s as much as I’ll post about this. I’m not going to get into a childish and frivolous discussion with the king of frivolous back and forths.
Again just a baseless opinion
I guess we all have them.

I know what I see though. I also know what I hear. I also see the results.
I’m with you on this Basil! Oli has to go, he can’t remain the manager and the team improve.
Also, it was Bernie, I believe, who said Yadi doesnt get along with Mo. why would he? Yadi likes to win and is very competitive! Something Mo doesnt care about !
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Basil Shabazz wrote: 01 Sep 2025 07:46 am I do not agree with the notion that Oli should finish out his contract in 2026 and be the manager because it is a rebuild anyway, and he is there to work with the young players. Part of a rebuild, is rebuilding the culture. And in my opinion, Oli is hugely responsible for the negative culture and wrong culture on the current Cardinals. He has to go. They cannot allow his toxicity to continue to permeate through the organizations young players.

So what are you doing in 2026? Do you take the chance on a first year manager? A Varitek or Yadi? Or do you bring in an established manager who has a track record? If so, who is that established manager? Maddon? Francona?

If Varitek were hired over Yadi, would Yadi be done with the Cardinals organization?
I want an experienced manager. Francona, John Farrell. If we did hire another rookie, it needs to be a former (star level) player and not an organization minor league guy. Matheny actually won a pennant. Schildt and Oli did nothing.

But definatly my first choice is someone who has won in the playoffs previously.
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